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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:24 am

    dionis wrote:
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    kvs wrote:What's with the ludicrous invincibility of the HIMARS trash?   Why are HIMARS units going to have immunity from destruction that
    Smerch systems do not have?   Ukria has lost vast amounts of its MLRS systems and the number of HIMARS it got (less than 18)
    is a total joke.   That includes all the wanking over the Antonovsky bridge.


    Imagine being such a fool you think HIMARS is a trash system...Just goes to show how blind you are to reality

    It's a guided Smerch like a whole bunch Ukraine has anyway? Or had? Adding TWELVE of them to Ukraine's forces won't change much.

    No Ukraine has nothing like HIMARS its a hyper-precise super mobile system

    My comment was calling the system trash is complete idiocy yes Ukraine doesn't have the numbers needed to turn the tides but that doesn't mean the system is garbage
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:40 am

    Ukraine is real, and 100,000 of them have died for "Ukraine"

    It is a fanaticism which not even Baath Iraq, or fedayeen, or Mujahideen even displayed

    Ukrainism is strong in flesh blood and bones provided by willing Ukrainians

    They had sovereignty and could have kept it if they did not genocide Russians, but such a transgression means that Ukrainism must be contained to settlements, which are fenced in and patrolled by Rosgvardiya like Kherson or Kharkov

    You know how many azovites are in Kharkov or Kherson?

    They are scum, who are to be eliminated and displaced or exiled

    Hopefully this is a systematic approach to displacing Ukrainians from the land, because there is no saving even half of Ukrainians

    They are all distinct,  with own identity, language, Flag, and all history and "cultural ties" mean nothing to superior Ukrainians

    Israeli example took 50 plus Years to settle Palestinian land

    Even today Palestinians hold their identity and religion has nothing to do

    Because Ukrainians are orthodox and Hate Russia as the jews and arabs do

    So it must be the same, the Ukrainian animals should be in cages and constantly strikes in their "west bank" and "Gaza strip" of Galicia and Central Ukraine

    Those areas must be constantly raised and bombed , gradually sending Chechens and Tuvans and Bashkirs to settle the land along with Russians , to displace these Ukrainians

    Then only Russians can live on Russian land

    But if you look at Israel, even integrating the arabs has led to intifada and war,

    It is the same with Ukrainians, assimilating them will not solve the problem

    That the Ukrainian question has only one solution

    The total dismantling of the statehood and exile of the people to Russia
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:47 am

    Well that's a very Nazi like approach.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:05 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine is real, and 100,000 of them have died for "Ukraine"

    It is a fanaticism which not even Baath Iraq, or fedayeen, or Mujahideen even displayed

    Ukrainism is strong in flesh blood and bones provided by willing Ukrainians

    They had sovereignty and could have kept it if they did not genocide Russians, but such a transgression means that Ukrainism must be contained to settlements, which are fenced in and patrolled by Rosgvardiya like Kherson or Kharkov

    You know how many azovites are in Kharkov or Kherson?

    They are scum, who are to be eliminated and displaced or exiled

    Hopefully this is a systematic approach to displacing Ukrainians from the land, because there is no saving even half of Ukrainians

    They are all distinct,  with own identity, language, Flag, and all history and "cultural ties" mean nothing to superior Ukrainians

    Israeli example took 50 plus Years to settle Palestinian land

    Even today Palestinians hold their identity and religion has nothing to do

    Because Ukrainians are orthodox and Hate Russia as the jews and arabs do

    So it must be the same, the Ukrainian animals should be in cages and constantly strikes in their "west bank" and "Gaza strip" of Galicia and Central Ukraine

    Those areas must be constantly raised and bombed , gradually sending Chechens and Tuvans and Bashkirs to settle the land along with Russians , to displace these Ukrainians

    Then only Russians can live on Russian land

    But if you look at Israel, even integrating the arabs has led to intifada and war,

    It is the same with Ukrainians, assimilating them will not solve the problem

    That the Ukrainian question has only one solution

    The total dismantling of the statehood and exile of the people to Russia
    Who spit in your borscht this time?

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    Post  Arrow Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:13 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    No Ukraine has nothing like HIMARS its a hyper-precise super mobile system

    Not true, it had many more Smerch BM 30 MLRS systems.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:16 am

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvm2z6XMXMw



    So only one air strike with 2000 lb , can go eleven meters down . Assuming proportionality , then how many heavy mortar will dig the same size hole ? ( 152 mms artillery strike makes a 1.5 meter deep hole ) . Also , I think that there is no need to dig to seven meters . The impact force on soil above bunker , will collapse bunker . These walls underground , can not be very thick . Building heavy walls underground is very expensive and difficult .

    Are Chinese people in Taiwan any less Chinese or have different genetics ? Yet they may end up killing each other soon . Humans do not need excuses to kill each other . All people are the same . Slightest differences , in the mind's eye , can lead to war . Animals , fight and kill too , but only out of hunger , not politics or genetics .


    Edit : I think nuclear reactor fuel rods should be removed now . Reactor made as safe as possible , since Ukrainian  side may act out of desperation and following their scorched Earth policy , attack reactor to create a no go zone for Russian troops .

    Edit : Once exact position of bunker found , then a GPS Rocket can fly into soil above it and have shiny tail sticking out . Then heavy mortar laser guided round can get range and direct the fire . Cheaper than using half a dozen GPS guided missiles .

    Edit : The drone carrying the GPR , can plant a target flag . Simultaneously three or four heavy mortar laser range to target , bye bye bunker !



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:38 am

    Arrow wrote:
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    No Ukraine has nothing like HIMARS its a hyper-precise super mobile system

    Not true, it had many more Smerch BM 30 MLRS systems.

    Smerch isn't hyper-precise like Himars nor is it has mobile
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    Post  Arrow Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:42 am

    Smerch is as mobile as Himars and it is precise. It also has ammunition assisted by GPS / GLONASS. In addition, a single launcher has 12 missiles.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:48 am

    Arrow wrote:Smerch  is as mobile as Himars and it is precise. It also has ammunition assisted by GPS / GLONASS. In addition, a single launcher has 12 missiles.

    No it isn't lol Smerch is a much larger and heavier system. The fact you said that is rich, that's like saying an 18 wheeler is as mobile has a car...maybe in a straight line on paved roads lawls.

    Smerch rockets aren't ass accurate as HIMARS tho Smerch does have a bigger volley that much is true
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:34 am

    A Smerch salvo covers 70 hectares, the M270 a sad 25 hectares.

    You can keep the precision, us Smerch enjoyers are more than happy with the capability to wipe out entire battalions off the map in one go.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:38 am

    lyle6 wrote:A Smerch salvo covers 70 hectares, the M270 a sad 25 hectares.

    You can keep the precision, us Smerch enjoyers are more than happy with the capability to wipe out entire battalions off the map in one go.

    Covering a wider area isn't always better, these are super simply mindsets you display additionally HIMARS isn't going to replace large salvos MLRs its merely an added component to additional systems.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:46 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Smerch  is as mobile as Himars and it is precise. It also has ammunition assisted by GPS / GLONASS. In addition, a single launcher has 12 missiles.

    No it isn't lol Smerch is a much larger and heavier system. The fact you said that is rich, that's like saying an 18 wheeler is as mobile has a car...maybe in a straight line on paved roads lawls.

    Smerch rockets aren't ass accurate as HIMARS tho Smerch does have a bigger volley that much is true

    Smerch is a heavy system, HIMARS is a medium system.


    Like a heavy/medium tank.
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    Post  Arrow Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:26 am

    Perhaps the destruction of HIMARS.

    https://t.me/HersonVestnik/6711

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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:35 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Imagine being such a fool you think HIMARS is a trash system...Just goes to show how blind you are to reality

    That is kinda fresh coming from you! >>>>> Laughing

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:HIMARS its a hyper-precise super mobile system
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Smerch isn't hyper-precise like Himars nor is it has mobile

    Oh dear! Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:18 am

    Ah fanboy defense post

    Sorry buddy the results from reality and actual uses of the systems IN REAL LIFE not your head have proven Smerch is less accurate than Himars.

    I don't need to defend this point its fact pure and simple

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:41 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Covering a wider area isn't always better, these are super simply mindsets you display additionally HIMARS isn't going to replace large salvos MLRs its merely an added component to additional systems.

    Have you attended to Elenski's Clown school?

    Smerch has guided rounds with contact fuze, time fuze and proximity fuze for air burst capability to enchance the lethality of Fragmentation rounds.

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    Proximity fuze:

    Особенность современных боевых реактивных снарядов состоит в системе подрыва. Каждая ракета Смерч оснащена излучателем, который при подлете к цели, определяет расстояние, — и на определенной дистанции (5-20 м) электронный взрыватель подрывает боевую часть.
    Сила взрыва и осколки при этом направлены вниз, что позволяет «накрыть» большую часть площади, и гарантированно уничтожить живую силу противника в окопах

    The peculiarity of modern combat rockets consists in the detonation system. Each Smerch missile is equipped with an emitter, which determines the distance when approaching the target, and at a certain distance (5-20 m) the electronic fuse undermines the warhead.
    The force of the explosion and the fragments are directed downward, which allows you to "cover" most of the area, and is guaranteed to destroy enemy manpower in the trenches

    The precision with standard rounds has a just a diviation of 150 Meters at its Maximum range of 70km. The GLONASS guidance kit for 300mm rounds called ProNav have a precision of around 10m at its maximum launched range of 70/120km.

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    Smerch is better in most if not all parameters but even if there were a difference of 50% in performance it wouldn't change anything and certainly not the out come. If such a simple weapon could turn the tide in a quantity less than 10 then 1000 must destroy Russia, then the US would deliver 1000 ASAP.

    The future modification will reach up to 200km while being highly precise for a MLRS system. A scramjet powerd variant for the missile to reach the mentioned distance of 200km.

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    The nonsense about mobility is so absurd that you fall on level of Vann. Not only are Russian heavy systems very well known for their high mobiltiy and were specifically designed to go through every terrain imaginable to launch from any point of Russia, regardless of  mud, rocky, sandy, covered by logs, debree or whatever. It is highly mobile while HIMARS couldn't drive even on 25% of the terrain Smerch or any other heavy truck plattform from Russia can drive on.

    The Game MudRunner is a tribute to Russian heavy trucks and their mobility.

    PS: The entire Wunder about all deployed Western weapons is only portrayed in the realm of Twitter and western controlled Media, which Corona and now this conflict clearly have proven. The entire Western Intel is now focused to choose launching points for HIMARS where they are the least vulnerable while trying to make some Twitter posts about some hits. They are not used like any other weapons to provide highly precise counter battery fire or to cripple indeed one front to relieve their front soldiers from Russia's Artillery pounding which is single handedly destroying the entire Western puppet of Kokaina.


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    Post  limb Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:41 am

    Firebird wrote:So do we say "Ukrainians aren't Russians" and run away from it all?

    Next is it "Belarussians aren't Russians, Siberians aren't Russians, Chechens, Altais. Tatars, Yakuts" etc . Surely u don't want that?

    The American demons in Washington have been brainwashing the hohols for ages "you are not Russians, Russia is your enemy".

    Well **** the Americans, these scummy ones I mean.

    The Ukraine is as much a part of Russia as Muscovy. Thats why this operation is on.

    As for the hohol excuse for a language. Well let it operate like the Altai, Yakut and other languages.... at best.  The natural order will make it less relevant given what the people of the region (minus NATO meddling) actually are. A strong Russia means a strong Russian language unifying its peoples is inevitable. Crush the Banderites, crush the nationalist filth and Hohol "language" become less and less forced upon them, less "desirable" if indeed it was ever even remotely. Remember even the scummy puppet leaders of "the Ukraine" don't even speak Ukrainian. Its simply a device of the Americans to cause bloodshed and misery. Kill the deception, kill the trash it spawns.

    The truth is, as part of Russia, the garbage that is "Ukrainian" becomes  Surzhyk and Surzhyk becomes far less different than Muscovite or St Pburg Russian. Remove the disease of hohol nationalism and they become a region. A region that was duped by Uncle Sham the Satan. To put it another way, Ukrainian is basically a piss poor attempt to formalise a Russian dialect. Its like Geordie people in England claiming to be a separate nationality, for example.

    China has many languages and its still one China. The Slavic langauges are more similar... but the West divided the Slavic world.

    Anyway to conclude, the Ukraine belongs to Russia. Ukrainians belong to Russia. Those that don't like it can rot in a jail once convicted. Or **** off to Germany and clean toilets/suck German bratwurst (male or female hohols) given that Hohol-land seems to be infected with 'elensky's media class Western style faggotry).


    Agree with everything except eradicating the Ukrainian language. Ukrainian and Russian form a dialect cpntinuum. The political connotations of a language cqn change.

    Objectively Ukrainians have no reason to hate Russia. Russians liberated them from polish, austrian and islamic slavery.

    Ukrainian and Belarusian Russophobia is 100 % created and imported by the polish szlachta and austrians as a way to divide and conquer their Rus subjects. Its also based on the lie of the holodomor.

    Instead, Russia should make noth Ukrainian and Russian coofficial in the liberated territories and also encourage surzhyk, since ironically Ukrainians have done more to destroy linguistic diversity by forcing their autistic fake literary lwnguage on Ukraine. How about encourage Ukrainian and Russian historical closeness and debunk anti-russian myths? Another option is to rename Ukrainian as galician.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:45 am

    Take Peski for example. Very fortified Northwestern part of the village. Why not bomb it to smithereens from the sky? It's not a very big are - won't need a lot of bombs (cost not too high).

    The job is not to take towns and cities, the job is to grind up the defenders and nutters occupying those locations... leveling all the towns and cities would indeed be easy but WWII showed you can totally flatten a town or a city but despite breaking lots of buildings and killing some people lots of people always survive.

    The way they are currently doing it they are killing thousands a day and these thousands are coming to them armed with weapons so there is no issue in shooting them down. Hitting urban areas which might be filled with civilians who are just trapped in this conflict and looking for a way out is not a better solution.

    Most of the M777777 and HIMASS are operated by NATO people. So, yes. Amateurs.

    Certainly not comprehending the concept of return fire, and where is our air support at?

    I also read today , that as well as ground penetrating RADAR ( GPR ) and sonar , that laser scan of surface , following a vibration ( explosive ) , using reflected Doppler shift , can image underground structures . Once location found , then that area can repeatedly be hit remotely , to cause a cave - in , and make tunnel useless . Seven meters can be reached with a few heavy strikes , even from artillery or mortar .

    But 10m or 20m deep and you can turn the surface to dust with all the bombs you drop and those hiding in the underground networks will not notice you.

    Laos is the most heavily bombed country on the planet, more bombs were dropped on that country than were dropped during the entire WWII on all fronts including the nuclear bombs used... the population survived just fine... bombing from the air is not as effective as some seem to think.

    If all the technology of the US was so wonderful and they are experts at dealing with tunnels... from experience in Vietnam trying to find and destroy them to experience in Afghanistan trying to make them and exploit natural caves etc to dealing with those tunnels for the last 20 years in their own war in Afghanistan one has to ask how effective they could possibly be considering they left in abject failure with their tails between their legs.

    And also check the data on the captured Italian POWs, who massively died in the Soviet captivity, if some claims are to be believed, yet the Italians overall where nowhere as bloodthirsty and brutal to the Soviets as the Germans were.

    Quite a few German POWs didn't make it home... they constantly whine about enormous numbers captured at Stalingrad and a fraction making it back after the war... ignoring the dreadful figures regarding their own treatment of Soviet prisoners of war and the fact that female Soviet soldiers were often shot rather than taken captive because they didn't want prisoners slowing them down let alone drawing on their resources let alone needing to keep two groups... men and women separate.

    Many Russians continue to say they are the same people

    Well you could argue that US colonialism is not much different from French or British colonialism, but then most Americans would be upset at being said to be the same as the Europeans most of their ancestors came from...


    You sound kind of racist to be honest, as you seem to imply that there's just something in the genes that makes them go politically apeshit.

    Which is the argument the west uses to justify its hate towards Russians. The head of the CIA... some cocksucker called crapper or something stated publicly that Russians were genetically predisposed to be bad... and no one corrected the fucker.

    These same people get pissed of if you use a homophobic slur or are racist like they are being... idyuts.

    Interesting scenario, what would happen if Brussels was hit with tactical nukes launched from Ukraine? How would NATO respond?

    Or a bio weapon in cannisters under a Tu-143 drone?

    It becomes evident that Russia installed these radar corner reflectors at both locations, creating a “phantom” or “ghost” bridge that can be seen next to the actual bridges on the satellite-based radar. This should also give its forces time to repair the real bridges, risk-free from attacks.

    They also had corner reflectors beside the Crimean bridge likely to distract any anti ship missile attack too.

    Linganna explains, “GMLRS uses GPS coordinates of the target and its inertial navigation system. The GPS coordinates are provided using intel from other sources such as satellites. The radar is used by satellites to pick the GPS coordinates. In HIMARS, as used in Ukraine, the missile does not have radar, but systems that feed GPS to GMLRS use radar to find the target coordinates.”

    GarryB explains that Harpoon and Uran and also Brimstone can be used against large bridge structures and their heavy warheads (except Brimstone of course) makes them orders of magnitude more effective against bridge type structures.

    Instead of pissing away 90km range 227mm HIMARS rockets on the bridges they should actually be using the much bigger and much more powerful and also much longer ranged Uran and Harpoon missiles as they would be much more destructive and bring down entire sections of the bridge which could not be patched so easily, yet they don't seem to be using Urans or Harpoons at all... funny they claim to have sunk a cruiser and then they stopped using them completely... almost as if they aren't getting to use them at all because they either get shot down or destroyed before launch...

    BTW don't trust the Eurasian times...

    What an idiot. HIMARS is no more than a temporary annoyance to Russian forces. They will adapt, and subscribers can be assured that normal service will be resumed shortly.

    They had Uragan and Smerch before which matches the range and mobility of HIMARS... and what happened to those?

    Yes but won't the thermobarics suffocate anyone in those bunkers?

    Not really... the thermobaric fuel would need to enter the bunker where it would burn up the available oxygen as it burns, but an external explosion means the fuel wont enter and so the oxygen inside will remain.

    It's a guided Smerch like a whole bunch Ukraine has anyway? Or had? Adding TWELVE of them to Ukraine's forces won't change much.

    Actually technically adding 6 because HIMARS only has 6 launch tubes while Smerch has 12 and Uragan has 16.

    No Ukraine has nothing like HIMARS its a hyper-precise super mobile system

    You mean like Tochka which is more accurate and has a much bigger payload and better range?

    All their accuracy means nothing because their drones and air force can't find live targets in real time so they are limited to hitting bridges and prisons and town squares.

    My comment was calling the system trash is complete idiocy yes Ukraine doesn't have the numbers needed to turn the tides but that doesn't mean the system is garbage

    It is garbage in the sense that everyone in the west and the Ukraine thinks it will save them, but is in effect not going to help very much at all.

    Any lucky hits that do some damage, will just result in an escalation like hits on HQs and other targets they were probably not hitting because of a risk of collateral damage... if they escalate then they suffer more... and the stakes become higher... Russia will increase its demands for surrender terms...

    Well that's a very Nazi like approach.

    Well Europeans go to north america and kick out the former tennants and claim they are now Americans and not Europeans any more despite retaining their European languages of english and french... well who is to say they are americas or italians or french or british or germans or whatever... it is really up to them.

    Same in Ukraine... I think the vast majority probably wanted to be known as Ukrainians but then when Kiev started banning the language they spoke and demanded they learn Ukrainian and started killing them over that I suspect a few decided they were Russian after all. Plenty might still want to be Ukrainian and think the idiots in Kiev contaminated by the west are the problem and once they are sorted out they can be Ukrainians again that have friendly relations and a shared language with their Russian neighbours, and there will be Ukrainians who want to be europeans and have nothing to do with Russia or Russians.

    Real life is not black and white.

    Smerch isn't hyper-precise like Himars nor is it has mobile

    Smerch and Uragan and Grad are all very mobile and are all based on trucks.

    Covering a wider area isn't always better, these are super simply mindsets you display additionally HIMARS isn't going to replace large salvos MLRs its merely an added component to additional systems.

    The whole purpose of rocket artillery is delivery of enormous volumes of HE and fragments at once so you can't get away, for precision Russia had Tochka and now has Iskander which has better range and better accuracy and better payload than 227mm calibre rockets.

    Smerch is a heavy system, HIMARS is a medium system.


    Like a heavy/medium tank.

    Grad is a light system, Uragan is a medium system and Smerch is a heavy system... all are road mobile and very mobile as they are based on trucks and not bradley IFVs like M270.

    Uragan carries 16 rockets... 10 more than Himars.

    Sorry buddy the results from reality and actual uses of the systems IN REAL LIFE not your head have proven Smerch is less accurate than Himars.

    I don't need to defend this point its fact pure and simple

    Rocket artillery is known as grid square removers... accuracy is a stupid measure of performance for a system intended for use against area targets.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:49 am

    Smerch can also carry self forging fragment warhead submunitions that are MMW and IR guided to hit armoured vehicles... including moving ones...

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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:53 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ah fanboy defense post

    Sorry buddy the results from reality and actual uses of the systems IN REAL LIFE not your head have proven Smerch is less accurate than Himars.

    I don't need to defend this point its fact pure and simple

    Because you can't! Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  LMFS Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:56 am

    Werewolf wrote:Have you attended to Elenski's Clown school?

    Nah, in his case proud yankee ignorance comes as a standard.

    HIMARS is yet another "hi-tech" kit that can be sold to half arsed land forces like US, joining ballistic missile and MLRS in one very expensive kit. The Russian weapon systems range from Grad to Iskander are head, shoulders and waist above that thing and trying to drive a discussion about the advantages of HIMARS over them is really something...

    GarryB wrote:Rocket artillery is known as grid square removers... accuracy is a stupid measure of performance for a system intended for use against area targets.

    That essential function is missing in US army, because they have no f* intention of actually fighting a land war against a half serious adversary. But ultra-expensive boutique elements like HIMARS are very much welcome in their corrupt MIC and among their equally corrupt comprador regimes.

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    Post  franco Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:04 am

    According to the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, as of August 3, over 6 million Ukrainian refugees were recorded throughout Europe.

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    Post  Hole Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:24 am

    LMFS wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Have you attended to Elenski's Clown school?

    Nah, in his case proud yankee ignorance comes as a standard.

    HIMARS is yet another "hi-tech" kit that can be sold to half arsed land forces like US, joining ballistic missile and MLRS in one very expensive kit. The Russian weapon systems range from Grad to Iskander are head, shoulders and waist above that thing and trying to drive a discussion about the advantages of HIMARS over them is really something...

    GarryB wrote:Rocket artillery is known as grid square removers... accuracy is a stupid measure of performance for a system intended for use against area targets.

    That essential function is missing in US army, because they have no f* intention of actually fighting a land war against a half serious adversary. But ultra-expensive boutique elements like HIMARS are very much welcome in their corrupt MIC and among their equally corrupt comprador regimes.

    And they need the "modularity" because their brigades only have a few of these launchers while in Russia they come in batallions with even more stuff belonging to the divisions and armies.  thumbsup

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    Post  LMFS Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 am

    Hole wrote:And they need the "modularity" because their brigades only have a few of these launchers while in Russia they come in batallions with even more stuff belonging to the divisions and armies.  thumbsup

    Exactly, that is where the "half-arsed" part comes in lol1

    HIMARS is a minute (yet very expensive) fig leaf trying to hide the utter lack of capacity and purpose of US rocket artillery

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    Post  xeno Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:39 am

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    Not to mention the 9M544 that Russians used has a much longer range(120km) than that of Himars'....

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