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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:15 am

    Dforce wrote:
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    But I'm assuming here the satellite pics are true. There were a lot of people in that area; I know those parts. Saki is a very popular resort town in the Crimea. If it were missiles, people would have seen them. So far no reports.
    ¨

    Well it was popular yesterday, today many seems to be leaving occupied Crimea. Might be good to do that while that bridge is still there, I guess?

    caveat emptor wrote:Craters are too shallow and small to be made by missiles with few hundred kilogram warhead.

    Sure, they are, much more in line with smoked cigarette butts.

    We're Russians, we don't give a shiт. It's our land. Don't know who it is that's leaving. I know 90% of Indian students left, but even among them there is the 10% that have stayed put.

    As for who else left - dunno maybe the same people who emigrated from Russia outright to go to Georgia, Finland, Israel or wherever else too over the last few months. Screw them as well. There is no compromise to be made in an existential war against the latest Western expansionists. Washington, Zelensky and pals are for some reason convinced that shelling some villages in the Kursk region, a raid on an oil depot in Belgorod, or pulling off an attack on an airbase will destroy Russian morale by exposing some vulnerability or whatever. There is none to expose. It's the West (and earlier Nazi Germany) that banks on its myth on invincibility. Russia never had one. And its entire population will mobilize to its defense even if current assets were to prove insufficient. It is not 1 airbase that the Ukraine will have to hit to win the war, but all of them. It will have to shell all the villages to chase a significant amount of people away. Strike all the towns and cities. Otherwise no-one gives a damn, same as those holiday-makers in Saki who watched the fireworks then went back to drinking beer after a few minutes.

    Once the Ukraine is dealt with it will be the turn of the next country that volunteers to contest 'occupied' Crimea.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:22 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Dforce wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    But I'm assuming here the satellite pics are true. There were a lot of people in that area; I know those parts. Saki is a very popular resort town in the Crimea. If it were missiles, people would have seen them. So far no reports.
    ¨

    Well it was popular yesterday, today many seems to be leaving occupied Crimea. Might be good to do that while that bridge is still there, I guess?

    caveat emptor wrote:Craters are too shallow and small to be made by missiles with few hundred kilogram warhead.

    Sure, they are, much more in line with smoked cigarette butts.

    We're Russians, we don't give a shiт. It's our land. Don't know who it is that's leaving. I know 90% of Indian students left, but even among them there is the 10% that have stayed put.

    As for who else left - dunno maybe the same people who emigrated from Russia outright to go to Georgia, Finland, Israel or wherever else too over the last few months. Screw them as well. There is no compromise to be made in an existential war against the latest Western expansionists. Washington, Zelensky and pals are for some reason convinced that shelling some villages in the Kursk region, a raid on an oil depot in Belgorod, or pulling off an attack on an airbase will destroy Russian morale by exposing some vulnerability or whatever. There is none to expose. It's the West (and earlier Nazi Germany) that banks on its myth on invincibility. Russia never had one. And its entire population will mobilize to its defense even if current assets were to prove insufficient. It is not 1 airbase that the Ukraine will have to hit to win the war, but all of them. It will have to shell all the villages to chase a significant amount of people away. Strike all the towns and cities. Otherwise no-one gives a damn, same as those holiday-makers in Saki who watched the fireworks then went back to drinking beer after a few minutes.

    Once the Ukraine is dealt with it will be the turn of the next country that volunteers to contest 'occupied' Crimea.

    I am sorry but you are talking to one of many special needs that floats around on this forums.

    Some cant even acknowledge the fact that Russia buying and working with Turkey who is actively hurting Russia and trying to push separatism in Russia, is a bad thing. We live in a clown world where even the basic concept of critical thinking doesn't apply.

    Anyway, you are wasting your efforts typing to these people.

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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:24 am

    The reaction to this war is now a total farce. Magic "game changer" HIMARS and some bridge. A single attack (still looks like sabotage)
    on an airbase in Crimea that was closer to Ukrian lines than 200 km for most the conflict and only got hit one time. This is a joke when
    considering the scale of the conflict but it fits the brain power of the typical mass media consumer lemming. None of this noise has
    the slightest impact on the progress of the campaign. It only has an impact on the brains of sheep.

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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:27 am

    I think people need to relax over Turkey. Russia is playing Turkey like a violin. Why engage in a conflict with a country that is giving
    NATzO a migraine? The funding of insurrection in the 'stans will not stop if Russia starts waving fists at Turkey. Is Russia supposed
    to attack Turkey? Seriously, either nuke the planet or learn how to deal with "frenemies".

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:29 am

    kvs wrote:I think people need to relax over Turkey.   Russia is playing Turkey like a violin.   Why engage in a conflict with a country that is giving
    NATzO a migraine?   The funding of insurrection in the 'stans will not stop if Russia starts waving fists at Turkey.   Is Russia supposed
    to attack Turkey?   Seriously, either nuke the planet or learn how to deal with "frenemies".  


    Turkey is playing Russia like a violin.

    They are getting tons of contracts from Russia all the while courting Russia's allies that are now actively working against Russia who just saved their ass (Kazakhstan) and funding terrorism and separatism in Russia. Russia should have closed off Turkey from itself long ago but never did. Now they play footsies with them while Turkey fucked them over.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:50 am

    TMA1 wrote:The attack on crimean base is brazen. They didnt expect this and were not alert. Ruskie air defense is the best in the world and the only peers are Israel and America's aegis system. These systems use artificial intelligence and the best sensors money can buy but if the man in the loop isnt ready it can be compromised. Always remember this. Also ruskies can make silly mistakes but often dont repeat 5hem and DO learn from them. There is more to this than we know so any rash judgement or even careful intelligent guesswork must be taken with heaps of salt in this fog of war. As I said keep our wits about us.

    That's a presumptuous set of assumptions

    Of course they were alert. Shit happens sometimes, that's all. We don't know what it was yet, sabotage, missile strikes, whether the satellite pics are real or not

    But this level of damage is not that significant. If only 1 serviceman was killed - who cares about the equipment? Or is Russia running out of raw materials or something? Like Germany in WW2 getting low on the tungsten? Like Japan now out of rubber?
    A strike on the Khabarovsk aviation plant would be rather more serious.

    The biggest blow is just defeatism and the attempt at a psychological blow, trying to force Russia's hand into this or the other. It's all nonsense. Hundreds of Ukrainian militants destroyed every 24h along with plenty of artillery, ammo and whatever else. There is a meat-grinder going on yet somehow the Ukraine does not slide into defeatism as readily as the panic-mongers at the ready on the Russian side. Can it already.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:58 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Turkey is playing Russia like a violin.

    They are getting tons of contracts from Russia all the while courting Russia's allies that are now actively working against Russia who just saved their ass (Kazakhstan) and funding terrorism and separatism in Russia.  Russia should have closed off Turkey from itself long ago but never did.  Now they play footsies with them while Turkey fucked them over.
    Nobody is playing anyone like violin. It is a classic relationship of shared interests.
    As for Kazakhstan, problem is that Russia badly managed that relationship even with sizeable minority and population that is generally amicable to it.
    Turkey is a frenemy and that's known. Problem is that Russian establishment sees Kazakhstan as friend and aly and that's not really true.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:03 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    That's a presumptuous set of assumptions

    Of course they were alert. Shit happens sometimes, that's all. We don't know what it was yet, sabotage, missile strikes, whether the satellite pics are real or not

    But this level of damage is not that significant. If only 1 serviceman was killed - who cares about the equipment? Or is Russia running out of raw materials or something? Like Germany in WW2 getting low on the tungsten? Like Japan now out of rubber?
    A strike on the Khabarovsk aviation plant would be rather more serious.

    The biggest blow is just defeatism and the attempt at a psychological blow, trying to force Russia's hand into this or the other. It's all nonsense. Hundreds of Ukrainian militants destroyed every 24h along with plenty of artillery, ammo and whatever else. There is a meat-grinder going on yet somehow the Ukraine does not slide into defeatism as readily as the panic-mongers at the ready on the Russian side. Can it already.
    With that logic anything short of nuclear attack on Moscow is nothing. Point is that it was someone's **** up, as it was case with Moskva, and that someone has to pay for it. Especially don't muddle the water with some stupid statements. It is easy to lose credibility. No one normal here implied that they will lose a war because of it.
    I see your brash talk as some kind of coping, which is understandable, since you are Russian and personally invested.😘😁
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:07 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    That's a presumptuous set of assumptions

    Of course they were alert. Shit happens sometimes, that's all. We don't know what it was yet, sabotage, missile strikes, whether the satellite pics are real or not

    But this level of damage is not that significant. If only 1 serviceman was killed - who cares about the equipment? Or is Russia running out of raw materials or something? Like Germany in WW2 getting low on the tungsten? Like Japan now out of rubber?
    A strike on the Khabarovsk aviation plant would be rather more serious.

    The biggest blow is just defeatism and the attempt at a psychological blow, trying to force Russia's hand into this or the other. It's all nonsense. Hundreds of Ukrainian militants destroyed every 24h along with plenty of artillery, ammo and whatever else. There is a meat-grinder going on yet somehow the Ukraine does not slide into defeatism as readily as the panic-mongers at the ready on the Russian side. Can it already.
    With that logic anything short of nuclear attack on Moscow is nothing. Point is that it was someone's **** up, as it was case with Moskva, and that someone has to pay for it. Especially don't muddle the water with some stupid statements. It is easy to lose credibility. No one normal here impkied that they will lose a war because of it.
    I see your brash talk as some kind of coping, which is understandable, since you are Russian and personally invested.😘😁

    It's war is what it is. And not just with the Ukraine, but with the entire NATO next door and backing it in every way short of directly entering the conflict

    You're going to have to get used to the fact that they will get lucky, they will conduct some successful strikes, they will find weak points or expose flaws in strategies and all the rest of it.

    My brash talk is to counter Kiev's and NATO's desired effect which is doom and gloom.
    And they really switched on the hype train for this operation.
    But if using your head for a second.. doom and gloom over what exactly? What, some destroyed Su-30SMs on the ground? Like I said, even the Taliban managed things like that.

    If this is all they can come up with a consolation prize in place of the much-hyped Kherson offensive then I suspect Russia has been doing good work as of late. One dead serviceman, a few injured and up to a dozen destroyed or damaged planes. RIP and speedy recovery to the injured, what more is there to say.


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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:07 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Turkey is playing Russia like a violin.

    They are getting tons of contracts from Russia all the while courting Russia's allies that are now actively working against Russia who just saved their ass (Kazakhstan) and funding terrorism and separatism in Russia.  Russia should have closed off Turkey from itself long ago but never did.  Now they play footsies with them while Turkey fucked them over.
    Nobody is playing anyone like violin. It is a classic relationship of shared interests.
    As for Kazakhstan, problem is that Russia badly managed that relationship even with sizeable minority and population that is generally amicable to it.
    Turkey is a frenemy and that's known. Problem is that Russian establishment sees Kazakhstan as friend and aly and that's not really true.  

    Yes, I know. You are so smart, smarter than Russian establishment.

    Do you actually believe for a second they don't know what's going on? They just won't act against it but they see what Kazakhstan is doing. Hence why they acted in hopes Tokayev would be better for Moscow and turns out he isn't.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:28 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Yes, I know. You are so smart, smarter than Russian establishment.

    Do you actually believe for a second they don't know what's going on? They just won't act against it but they see what Kazakhstan is doing. Hence why they acted in hopes Tokayev would be better for Moscow and turns out he isn't.
    It's not about knowing, but what you want to do in regards to the situation.
    In the past, you could hear Putin mutiple times say that he sees Russians, Ukrainians and Belarus as one people. That might have lead to the fact the army is constrained in a way it fights a war.
    Call it delusion or however you wish. It differs from facts on the ground.
    Kazakhstan's elites have relatively strong ties with the West. A lot of money is stashed in Britain. They allowed Turkish influence to work on creation of Turkic identity. Kazakhstan is a founding member of Organization of Turkic States. Nazarbayev actually suggested it's founding, as he saw Turkic identity as an counterbalance to strong Russian influence. Russia didn't say a word while he introduced "Kazakhistation" of northern regions, which are historically Russian, by moving rural population from the south amd changing names of towns and villages.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:29 am

    TMA1 wrote:I agree with you, but some time needs to pass for the dust to settle and the bullshit to be weeded out of the narratives to see what is going on. I bet Russian MOD has largely done this and is planning multiple things to occur as a result. Transparency should always be part of this. Not like the heinous propaganda I see from the west, which is so flagrant and bad that I am disillusioned by it all.

    Dust settling didn't stop Russian MoD from spewing bullshit about how nothing happened

    Do they really think that people are retards?


    Airport got blown to shit by apes, everyone and their grandma saw it so just come clean, say that you fucked up and that airport got blown to shit by apes

    It's not complicated


    If Russia allowed this airport to be blown up by apes it means that Russia didn't deserve to have this airport in the first place



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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:50 am

    None of the howitzers have been destroyed

    lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

    Clearly this is a touchy point for NATzO.   None of its wunderwaffen can be destroyed by Russian untermenschen.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:37 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Yes, I know. You are so smart, smarter than Russian establishment.

    Do you actually believe for a second they don't know what's going on? They just won't act against it but they see what Kazakhstan is doing. Hence why they acted in hopes Tokayev would be better for Moscow and turns out he isn't.
    It's not about knowing, but what you want to do in regards to the situation.
    In the past, you could hear Putin mutiple times say that he sees Russians, Ukrainians and Belarus as one people. That might have lead to the fact the army is constrained in a way it fights a war.
    Call it delusion or however you wish. It differs from facts on the ground.
    Kazakhstan's elites have relatively strong ties with the West. A lot of money is stashed in Britain. They allowed Turkish influence to work on creation of Turkic identity. Kazakhstan is a founding member of Organization of Turkic States. Nazarbayev actually suggested it's founding, as he saw Turkic identity as an counterbalance to strong Russian influence. Russia didn't say a word while he introduced "Kazakhistation" of northern regions, which are historically Russian, by moving rural population from the south amd changing names of towns and villages.

    There was a time Russia couldn't do much about it. Currently, Russia attempted to change it through assisting Tokayev but so far that may be leading to nothing. Unless a lot of organizations are trying to get around him. Let us not forget that it was well known and pointed out Turkish involvement in the uprisings in Almaty back in Jan. So the Russians were quick to act and knew. But it may take longer for Russia to try and remove such Turkish influence in the country. Mind you, I think the Turks are uping their game in Kazakhstan to try and court them but both China and Russia are not fond of it from what was said and could bite Kazakhstan hard. I imagine after Ukraine affair, Kazakhstan may be given a bit more attention from Russia.

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    Post  dionis Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:37 am

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    dionis wrote:
    Yo, that thing looks like a King Tiger.
    Call it German esthetics. 😉
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    Post  Broski Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:32 am

    flamming_python wrote:The biggest blow is just defeatism and the attempt at a psychological blow, trying to force Russia's hand into this or the other. It's all nonsense. Hundreds of Ukrainian militants destroyed every 24h along with plenty of artillery, ammo and whatever else. There is a meat-grinder going on yet somehow the Ukraine does not slide into defeatism as readily as the panic-mongers at the ready on the Russian side. Can it already.
    Well to be fair, the Ukrops are too stupid to know how badly they're losing and they don't really care about their cannon fodder. Slavic mentally of making mountains out of  molehills will always persist no matter the occasion but a crimean airbase getting blown to hell isn't going to stop the russians from evacuating short-bus nazis to the nearest graveyard.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:44 am

    People here trust Western lies too much. There is still no confirmation that a significant amount of aircraft has been destroyed at the airfield in Crimea. There are photos with at least one burnt-out Su-24, but that's IT. All these "satellite Photos" with a 95% probability are BS.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:19 am

    kvs wrote:The reaction to this war is now a total farce.   Magic "game changer" HIMARS and some bridge.   A single attack (still looks like sabotage)
    on an airbase in Crimea that was closer to Ukrian lines than 200 km for most the conflict and only got hit one time.   This is a joke when
    considering the scale of the conflict but it fits the brain power of the typical mass media consumer lemming.   None of this noise has
    the slightest impact on the progress of the campaign.   It only has an impact on the brains of sheep.    

    You are addressing a gamer level of the receiver. People who never lost in a Battlefield, and know that a character can respawn multiple times Laughing
    It is a war. The most serious since Vietnam. Remind me, how many planes US lost there? Laughing

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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:23 am

    Also i found it amusing that twiterland at least quickly points out some mystical missile strike. and others just follow it without any further thoughts.

    Such an unhealthy trend brewing.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:45 am

    Re : "what Russia allowed/shouldn't allow", some of you people won't stop amazing me.
    You talk about matters that happened in times, when Russia could do shit about anything, being busy feeding its population.
    That's it.
    Dissolution of the SU was a done fact. New countries emerged, and each of them followed its own way.
    As it was a done fact, there was no Russia will important.
    What you are doing is pure revisionism, and one should be very careful playing with it, as it can seriously backfire.
    It is the last decade or so when Russia is in condition to influence the reality around its perimeter, not earlier.
    Putting the blame for things that happened 30 years ago on the actual Russian regime is childish.
    I would say, that the result is not bad at all.
    Russia punished Georgia and established a permanent status for both of South Ossetia and Abhazia. Russian intervention reshaped the political scene of Georgia, putting a CIA agent Saaka on trial, and forcing him to flee the country. The long-term effect is, that Georgia sustained itself from sanctioning Russia now.
    Russia performed a surprisingly successful Syrian operation, establishing a permanent presence in the middle of Middle East.
    The relations with Turkey are surprisingly high level either, considering the conflict of interest in Syria. That is solid evidence of the Russian foreign policy power.
    An operation in Kazachstan was a clear signal to all the others how putting the nose in the internal matters will end up.
    Karabach is a Russian military base at the moment, and be sure that Azerbejdzan will be summoned up very soon.
    A sole fact claimed by no other but Ukro foreign minister, that 2/3 of the world is either pro-Russian or neutral in ongoing conflict just represents the reality.
    No matter how much barking is out there, the caravan is going.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:06 am

    The satellite images were late in coming ! I was looking for them yesterday . That together with western denials of use of any of their equipment and Russia's early reports of aircraft munition " accident " , left the situation open for " negotiations " of some type . But now we see " images " published by the Americans ? Showing damages to aircraft and buildings ! And it is a fact that we saw large explosions yesterday . Also some aircraft and structures remain surprisingly " undamaged  ?" They should have also been burnt , since they are well within the blast radius , going by damage to other aircraft and structures .

    So it seems , whatever caused explosions , that initially there was hope of negotiations , soon dashed hopes  lead to altered images being released . Showing limited radius of destruction , hinting at smaller charges placed by " saboteurs " or accident . Rather than fail of SAM to intercept . Now if I am right , the yanks may want us to keep thinking , our equipment and tactics are fine , and we should keep using them ! Cover the real source of attack , yet force an embarrassment  .


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    Post  Mir Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:07 am

    dionis wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 19 Img_2080

    Yo, that thing looks like a King Tiger.

    More like the Elephant perhaps?

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    Post  Mir Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:11 am

    Shit happens - esp in wartime >>

    Vietnam - Bien Hao Air Base >>

    The US admitted the loss of 30 aircraft - the NVA claimed 59.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 19 Vietna10


    PS - The US lost over 10 000 aircraft during the Vietnam War which lasted for 10 years.
    The NVA lost 350 aircraft during the war.

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