Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20

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Hole, follow military summary that's were the original came from

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GarryB wrote:You mean like Serbias pussy footing that led to the new Albanian state in Europe called Kosovo...

Exactly like that

You are supposed to learn from other people's mistakes not your own and our wars were 30 years ago

That's 60 semesters for a lesson that can be crammed in one afternoon


Here is another one: If you are accused of some random bullshit by the enemies and media just go back and do it for real, you are already getting shit for supposedly doing it anyway so you might as well get some mileage out of it

GarryB wrote:Blame Putin and the Russian military all you want... nothing they did justified what those Nazis in Kiev and their henchmen did... for the last 8 years or the last few months... and they are now getting theirs.

Just because some ideologically motivated fools didn't realise what was happening till it was displayed in full colour video... well I would think trapping people in a building and burning the building down and shooting anyone trying to escape for the crime of speaking Russian said all that was needed to be said...

They served their own men on the silver platter to people who ''trapped people in a building and burned the building down and shot anyone trying to escape for the crime of speaking Russian''

Someone was not playing for his team here

GarryB wrote:...Wow... what a military genius you are... you are suggesting putting artillery on that tiny island to shoot at Ukrainian artillery on the coast...

Artillery on the Island? Was Atari just made available for sale in New Zealand? Artillery? What century you live in?

You use fucking airplanes and missiles stationed in fucking Crimea to exterminate every fucking thing on that coastline and then pulverize their rotting leftovers into nothing

GarryB wrote:...You miserable bastard. You want more families to lose their sons because of your pride....

Very few if any pilots' and missile troopers' families lost a son in this war

GarryB wrote:

Killing maximum possible amount of enemies is always a good thing, it's how you win wars

No not at all.... otherwise the Japs won WWII and the Germans did too..

Japs and Germans are still around

Soviets withered in squalor and rotted away

Guess who had the right Idea?

GarryB wrote:..but in this case it is the human population of the Ukraine that is the problem... they have been indoctrinated to hate Russia and Russians.... the quickest cure is to eliminate the most rabid and most far gone..

Which is 90% of them

So why are they dragging their feet and pussyfooting on elimination part?

They already fucked up once in 1946 and now problem ballooned beyond all control, fucking up the second time will be terminal

Hole wrote:

Where'd this particular map come from? Any way to access the original?

Arkanghelsk wrote:
What does that say for USAF that allowed 4 airliners to kill 3000 Americans?

Because that was a planned inside job operation. That's why . To justify endless war
to capture all middle east for israel , in the name of "fighting Alqaeda". That they provided weapons later in the syrian conflict.  So the west is not dumb , only Putin's Russia is . you need skills and be very smart ,to create the system the west created , a Super Empire , like never in the history of humanity existed . The Anglo Saxon west . That leads world development and world culture and politics. and the biggest world military alliance in history. Is far from perfect , they also do mistakes , consequence of their greed and under estimation of their enemies , but if they manage to break Russia and China ,with endless proxy wars ,endless sanctions and more plandemics ,then the road for absolute world domination and total control would be free of any obstacles by western elites.

Whenever people believe the west is made up of Fools , is because they don't understand what west is really doing . Their real goals. but that's off topic , and this is Ukraine conflict. So go ask others to explain you how wrong you are and take those world records of S-400s , they are as good as toilet paper. totally useless in defending Russian cities.

Deleted the double post, GarryB

Vann7 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:
What does that say for USAF that allowed 4 airliners to kill 3000 Americans?

Because that was a planned inside job operation. That's why . To justify endless war
to capture all middle east for israel , in the name of "fighting Alqaeda". That they provided weapons later in the syrian conflict.  So the west is not dumb , only Putin's Russia is . you need skills and be very smart ,to create the system the west created , a Super Empire , like never in the history of humanity existed . The Anglo Saxon west . That leads world development and world culture and politics. and the biggest world military alliance in history. Is far from perfect , they also do mistakes , consequence of their greed and under estimation of their enemies , but if they manage to break Russia and China ,with endless proxy wars ,endless sanctions and more plandemics ,then the road for absolute world domination and total control would be free of any obstacles by western elites.

Whenever people believe the west is made up of Fools , is because they don't understand what west is really doing . Their real goals. but that's off topic , and this is Ukraine conflict. So go ask others to explain you how wrong you are and take those world records of S-400s , they are as good as toilet paper. totally useless in defending Russian cities.

Your an imbecile

Still Russia does a far better job than US did, losing 3000 people to 4 jumbo jet sized planes on FAA radar

Then you whine about mi24 taking a gas station out

Russia has the best IADS in the world, the day Ukrainians hit the Kremlin, is the day Russia will be as bad as America in air defense

And if the US has to kill its own people to capture the middle east, then it's dumber than Putin ever could have imagined

Because the taliban and Iran made short work of their vacation caused by the "inside job"

More likely the inept air traffic controllers and air force could not coordinate proper intercept over city limits

That shows the limit of US air defense

When you have a real system like s400, you can score a world record hit 150km away

So don't come here with your bogus nonsense, when s400 killed su27 from Belarus over 150km away in Kiev

That means US would have been able to intercept those airliners at any point around Manhattan

Even pantsir or TOR would at least have caused the wreckage to fall down and kill less people as we have seen Russian IADS do many times

But no, poor US air defense has gotten their people killed more often then Russia ever did, and their COVID response did as well

So again you are wrong, Russia outperformed the west in air defense, and even viral biological response

@Papa Dragon and @Garry B

Keep cool guys!

They are thousand of ways to win or lose a war. Not just simply killing the enemy! This war or let's say "special operation" has so many level...economic, warfare and yes also humanitarian. Yes...the USSR lost 25 million people, but after WW2 they were a superpower, before the war only a regional power.

@Papa Dragon...only a few questions...
How are you going to win a war by burning down entire regions, populated by Russians? And who will rebuild it? Who pays for the reconstruction? Unfortunately, the Nazis are hiding behind civilians. This is all to Uncle Sams plan! They don't want to dominate Ukraine, they just want Russia to sink in blood.

Russia was 2014 not ready for a war, the western sanctions would have crushed the whole economy back in these days. And the operation at the beginning in this conflict in February were good planed and executed...only an idiot would think that an army can progress so fast without losses. If you put in the equation of war the losses and the gains the summary is very positive.


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Snake Island was in range of new "western artillery", vice versa it's not possible to localize on this small shitheap in the black sea enough artillery, AD systems etc....so no loss! Snake island was only good to attract the attention of Ukraine as a trap and meat grinder....they lost here so many drones that would have killed in other parts many russian soldiers and civilians.

And guys...please please ignore Vann! He is like a demon...an idiotic demon and it only lives on your attention. Ignore him and he will VANNish.

The Lugansk progress demonstrates that the fortified districts and the Kiev regime army are not able to hold out. Russian
forces are defeating them without any need for "human waves" or other NATzO BS fantasy tactics. Slavyansk and Kramatorsk
will fall by September.

NATzO is going to be forced to act directly to save its puppets this fall or they are going to have to explain why they "let"
Russia win.

kvs wrote:The Lugansk progress demonstrates that the fortified districts and the Kiev regime army are not able to hold out.   Russian
forces are defeating them without any need for "human waves" or other NATzO BS fantasy tactics.   Slavyansk and Kramatorsk
will fall by September.  

NATzO is going to be forced to act directly to save its puppets this fall or they are going to have to explain why they "let"
Russia win.

Yes, I agree with this, but I think Russia will not hesitate to absolutely hit them when they make their move

Kinzhals will hit them , along with other weapons, as Ukraine is not an alliance member

This would only let Russia move in from Belarus and seize all Ukraine

So I can agree the desperation will set in to justify NATO intervention

But at that point S400 will set real world records and conscripts or not, all Russia will be on a war footing

kvs wrote:The Lugansk progress demonstrates that the fortified districts and the Kiev regime army are not able to hold out.   Russian
forces are defeating them without any need for "human waves" or other NATzO BS fantasy tactics.   Slavyansk and Kramatorsk
will fall by September.  

NATzO is going to be forced to act directly to save its puppets this fall or they are going to have to explain why they "let"
Russia win.

NATO has not the leadership, manpower, hardware or industrial complex left to make this happen.
Total defeat of NATO on the Ukrainian battlefield is what is manifesting right now.

Must be nice for the U.S, to lose the war with the 2nd "sponsored" Foreign military after Afghanistan got propped up with billions in Military's hardware and have at the end nothing to show for it.
And now seeing an repeat of that in Ukraine.

My own military's combat-ready units had to hand in their PZH-2000's to keep the ukraine weapon flow going.
Just to see the Dutch PZH-2000's get dismantled within a few days in Ukraine.
Same for other NATO systems, NATO weapon manufacturers have warned NATO army's they cant replace these "donations" overnight.
It takes time to build them.

Total defeat of American imperialism and NATO curb-stombed with its teeth into the gutter is what is happening.
Just like it should be.

I was part of this NATO corruption in 2014/2015, as an cog in the logistical machine of NATO.
Where OSCE armored vehicles where handed over to AZOV to raid towns in Eastern Ukraine for one,
And the cover-up of MH-17 was done as well, where Ukraine itself shot it out of the sky.
Dutch airborne troops landing in Kharkov, but being withdrawn fast because they photographed and filmed Nazi Ukrainian troops and putting them on their social media.

NATO officers gloating how they will seize Crimea and its black sea ports and cut off Russia's strategic access.
They showed no shred of understanding of Russian culture, or understanding of the territory they tried to seize.
Showing total indifference to the massacres the Nazi's where doing to the people in the LPR/DPR.

What happens now, is the rectification.
To set things straight in Ukraine.

For me personally, The Russian intervention is Justice that has been 8 years in the making.

For the ones that did not kept track, Here is an short reminder of what NATO's Coup did in 2014.
This does not even include the shit that happened at Odessa.




Total denazification is the only solution.

kvs wrote:The Lugansk progress demonstrates that the fortified districts and the Kiev regime army are not able to hold out.   Russian
forces are defeating them without any need for "human waves" or other NATzO BS fantasy tactics.   Slavyansk and Kramatorsk
will fall by September.  

NATzO is going to be forced to act directly to save its puppets this fall or they are going to have to explain why they "let"
Russia win.

Ukraine isn't part of NATO.  As I said before and I will say again to the nonsense of NATO actually intervening - They would have had to do it already.  The simple fact they did not is indication they are not gonna intervene.  Because by then Ukraine would be finished.  Only way they will intervene is taking Lviv and thats about it.  And they can have it.

Reason why I say this, and its obvious too, the EU folded rather quickly regarding the railway line from Russia to Kaliningrad through Lithuania. Why do you think that is?

They are barking dogs, that is all.

^ John Mercheimer himself is saying right now that serious escalation on the side of the US and NATO is in the cards. The US can't afford to be beaten this badly in the economic and military sense.

Anyway a quote I seen on telegram

We are on the precipice of an absurd reality where Russia must strike at the command centers of Ukrainian decision making and recruitment .... ... not as a military objective but rather as an urgent humanitarian mission to save innocent Ukrainian men and women from near certain, and certainly pointless, death wrote:

The State Duma of Russian Federation adopted in the first reading a government bill on the provision of the armed forces during operations outside the country.

According to the new rules, when introducing special measures in the economy, companies in Russia will not have the right to refuse contracts in order to ensure such operations.

With the introduction of special measures, the government will receive the right to temporarily deconservate mobilization capacities and facilities, as well as the right to disarm the material assets of the state reserve.

The Cabinet will also be able to regulate labor relations in individual organizations, including the conditions for granting leave, working after hours, at night or on weekends.


Winter is coming...

Russian officials should seize control over companies producing key satellite components like radiation-hardened electronics, the head of the Russian Roscosmos space agency, Dmitry Rogozin, said on Tuesday.

Russia is looking to “double” its satellite fleet, Rogozin said during a meeting with the staff of a satellite-manufacturing plant that is part of Roscosmos. Moscow would like to have more satellites providing a variety of services ranging from satellite communications for the Armed Forces to facilitating broadband internet access and “the internet of things,” he said, according to a statement by the space agency. 

The Roscosmos chief admitted that satellite manufacturing remains “an issue of major concern” due to the lack of certain components, like radiation-hardened microelectronics. “This is our weak link,” Rogozin added, calling on this issue to be resolved.

So we are moving into the mobilization economy, guys , Russia is gonna radically change, things you saw take long time to develop will be done in months

Many business which are parasitic are being taken under government control, including electronics sector, rubber sector, gas sector, all oriented to the mobilization drive

Backman wrote:^ John Mercheimer himself is saying right now that serious escalation on the side of the US and NATO is in the cards. The US can't afford to be beaten this badly in the economic and military sense.

Anyway a quote I seen on telegram

Yes, a Political science major is in charge of NATO.

BTW, even the Pentagon says no. They have the ultimate power over NATO.

Backman wrote:^ John Mercheimer himself is saying right now that serious escalation on the side of the US and NATO is in the cards. The US can't afford to be beaten this badly in the economic and military sense.

Anyway a quote I seen on telegram

We are on the precipice of an absurd reality where Russia must strike at the command centers of Ukrainian decision making and recruitment .... ... not as a military objective but rather as an urgent humanitarian mission to save innocent Ukrainian men and women from near certain, and certainly pointless, death wrote:

Nah, leave those bitches alone and keep grinding the vermin into fertilizer

You can't save humans from themselves, apes even less so

They won't stay on the front line long enough to be ground into dust

They are running away even from seversk

The Nazi officer corps is thinned out , because they are not even executing those who flee

They feel that they can run away and avoid fighting

So they will abandon their positions faster and faster

The last places they will fight are new york and donetsk/avdeyevka fortified areas

But they won't resist much in the north

Ark wrote " Dima from Military Analysis confirmed this much: The fall of lisichansk has shortened the front line from 130km to about 55km. This means 25 BTG can be reduced to about 10 BTG or around that number. Where the other BTG will go is a good question . Also Russia is finishing the summer draft, and the Ukaz was passed confirming that small businesses and other enterprises must adhere to military orders and prices, so a preparation is ongoing to secure supplies for a surge in numbers of troops deployed . It is similar to the industrial mobilization orders of governments during COVID . One thing is for sure, all hands will be called this winter...... "


When the frontline was much longer , and Russian troops were around Kiev , not much progress was being made . But once they were withdrawn and stationed around Donbas , progress was made , albeit slowly . So now we know troop concentrations needed ( not per meter of frontline ) But per square metre of area under control . Since the balance of forces , is determined by total number of opposing troops , and not those engaged on a narrow front . Or defence in depth .

Seeing the slow advances , then I can say with some certainty that the balance of forces , is just slightly in favour of Russia , and that any greater capture of territory , with existing numbers , will thin out the density of troops in areas under Russian control . Defence in depth , may not then be possible , and a counter- attack by uki forces can push through .

For this reason , greater number of troops are needed ( the same density , per square meter now in liberated areas ) for further land acquisitions . And as long as major cities are freed from artillery attack ( what may constitute 80% of attacks on towns and city ) by pushing Yuki artillery back some 20 to 30 km , then further advances should be made in most valuable areas , such as Odessa , instead of slovyansk or kramatorsk . Unless marine troops are yet not ready to capture Odessa . In either case , I agree that greater number of troops are needed to launch offensives and hold the captured ground . Probably 50% more troops needed . 60,000 !

Local channels report the destruction of the American installation of the M142 HIMARS MLRS in Artemovsk

The information is positive, but requires confirmation.
https://t.me/intelslava/32624

The Russian army destroyed 2 US-made HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and two ammunition depots for them, - Russian Defense Ministry

https://t.me/intelslava/32639

Report from the front:

Russian Aerospace Forces attacked the point of temporary deployment of a motorized infantry battalion in Kharkov, up to 100 nationalists were destroyed;

The Russian Aerospace Forces with high-precision missiles destroyed two launchers of the US-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system in the DPR;

A Russian Su-35 fighter shot down two Mi-24 helicopters and one Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force during an air battle in the Mykolaiv region;

The RF Armed Forces destroyed the S-300 guidance station and the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the Nikolaev region;

Russian air defense intercepted nine Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles in the Kherson region, the DPR and the LPR, as well as eight MLRS shells.
https://t.me/intelslava/32641

You keep on pushing Russian tactics as outdated and slow - but hey just look at the wonderful tactics the Ukers are employing against the Russians - by attacking and killing civilians with their western supplied wunderwaffe. Yeh rather post Uker propaganda than the rout that's currently going on in the Donbass.

He is a poor little misfit... western people wont like him because while he is anti Putin, he is not anti Russian enough, while amongst this group he spouts western propaganda and lies and thinks he is educating us with new information... it is OK Vann... we know what BS the western propaganda machine is spewing out... that crap is easy to find... we don't come here looking for that shit.

I suspect it is the same for many people posting from the west, this is somewhere where you can be honest and not hate Russia and Russians without being called an enemy of the state and have someone try to get you fired from your job...

Roscosmos took pictures of the Pentagon, and whitehouse with the caption "decision making centers". Making these kinds of threats doesn't register with the US. If they did, this war wouldn't be happening in the first place. Bombing the govt buildings in Kiev is better than threatening to bomb the Pentagon

They ignored Putins red lines and we are here... who knows where we go next.

Here is another one: If you are accused of some random bullshit by the enemies and media just go back and do it for real, you are already getting shit for supposedly doing it anyway so you might as well get some mileage out of it

The problem is that if you actually do it then they can take that as proof you did it the first time they accused you.

Being accused of murder and so you go out and commit murder and they catch you or get evidence you did it they can just pretend they were right all the time you were a murderer and their propaganda to make you look bad turns into reality... not propaganda any more.

If you get convicted and serve out your sentence for murder and when you leave jail it is proven that you didn't do it and they knew you didn't do it then the people responsible for putting you in jail should be punnished and you need to get a serious shit load of compensation.

At a country level that almost never happens of course.... there was nothing Serbia could have done to keep Kosovo... just like there was nothing the entire west could have done to save South Ossetia or Abkhazia or now the Donbass and Lugansk regions. Well to be fair they could have just left well enough alone and forced Kiev to talk with those regions instead of shell them and the territorial integrity of the Ukraine would have remained except for Crimea of course.

They served their own men on the silver platter to people who ''trapped people in a building and burned the building down and shot anyone trying to escape for the crime of speaking Russian''

They did not. Russian forces went in there fully armed and fully supported by artillery and air power like no Russian ground force has ever had before.

Fighting a peer enemy their loses are not excessive... when Biden bans all gun sales in the US the bloodshed is going to be much much worse than that...

Artillery on the Island? Was Atari just made available for sale in New Zealand? Artillery? What century you live in?

You use fucking airplanes and missiles stationed in fucking Crimea to exterminate every fucking thing on that coastline and then pulverize their rotting leftovers into nothing

So what the **** do they need men on the island for? If they can hit artillery that easily why put troops on the island in danger as the bait?

There is already plenty of bait around the place that needs to be dealt with... creating more just to keep a useless island is stupid... once they have the coastline they can take it back and put more permanent structures on it for whatever the Ukrainians might eventually want on there.

Very few if any pilots' and missile troopers' families lost a son in this war

Lucky them, but without the actual Russian troops on the ground the enemy has no reason to form up into decent targets for them to hit.

Japs and Germans are still around

Soviets withered in squalor and rotted away

The Georgians and Latvians and Estonians and Lithuanians and Ukrainians have booming free market peaceful democracy economies... aparantly... and the Russian economy is so good it is upsetting the west no end.

Guess who had the right Idea?

The ones that don't listen to the orders they get from the US.

Which is 90% of them

If that is the problem then that is the problem... some will run away and some will have a change of heart... but for the rest the solution has been applied and shown to be effective... continue with your orders lads.

So why are they dragging their feet and pussyfooting on elimination part?

Who said they are... they have to keep the machine going even with uncooked chicken bones slowing the process a bit... keep the water running and the waste disposer running and feed the waste into the machine... it can take it... any odd spoon or fork makes a metalic noise.... stop and pull its remains out and then continue...

They already fucked up once in 1946 and now problem ballooned beyond all control, fucking up the second time will be terminal

They had nothing to do with what happened in 1946.... that was the job of a certain man from Georgia, who clearly lost focus of the problems at home and was too fixated with getting the bomb.

Ignore him and he will VANNish.

If only...

So I can agree the desperation will set in to justify NATO intervention

It wont be US troops though.... it will be some bullshit like Romanian or Polish troops sent in to secure shipments of grain or to protect this or that... but of course Putin will just warn them if they enter the territory then they enter the war and will be directly targeted.... and of course if they do enter they will be a high priority for both sides... and of course Russian standoff weapons could easily obliterate them...

Only way they will intervene is taking Lviv and thats about it. And they can have it.

Still shell them if they try... tiny pay back but well deserved.

Reason why I say this, and its obvious too, the EU folded rather quickly regarding the railway line from Russia to Kaliningrad through Lithuania. Why do you think that is?

Germany feared the Russians might attack and create a land bridge... and also they feared they might cut off all gas supplies to Europe.

Both of which leaves Germany in the shit... WWIII or a very cold winter and potential economic collapse...

We are on the precipice of an absurd reality where Russia must strike at the command centers of Ukrainian decision making and recruitment .... ... not as a military objective but rather as an urgent humanitarian mission to save innocent Ukrainian men and women from near certain, and certainly pointless, death

Very true really... more understanding of the situation than most in the west.

And actual regard for Ukrainian lives unlike most in the west or myself at this stage.... they started this game and they set the rules and played outside those rules.... well Russia is playing inside those rules and is going to kick your arses.

The Russian army destroyed 2 US-made HIMARS multiple rocket launchers and two ammunition depots for them, - Russian Defense Ministry

The Russian military should thank America... they get to get some realistic training in destroying those systems for real... they will get very good very quickly...

Special forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s learned to hunt caravans... the caravan hunters captured all sorts of neat stuff including Milan ATGMs and Stingers and all sorts of communication and night vision gear.

Living the fake dream

https://www.rt.com/news/558421-fake-canadian-fighter-exposed/

A Twitter account purporting to share the adventures of a pro-Kiev Canadian fighter in Ukraine has been deleted after the person behind it was accused of faking his credentials. The man in the photos was posing with replica guns and equipment, critics say.

The person behind the ‘Canadian Ukrainian Volunteer’ Twitter account claimed to be fighting against Russia in Ukraine. He was supposedly leading a life of adventure, going on daring recon missions, dodging Russian patrols in Kherson Region, and otherwise risking his life. However, the images he posted drew the attention of online sleuths who found them fishy, The Telegraph reported on Monday.