Russian special military operation in Ukraine #18

The western narratives on Ukraine fail to account for the fact that Russia is not a foreign occupant to a huge part of the country.
The only part of post 1990 Ukraine that can be cast as at risk of invasion is the western part (really the far western part). The
term liberation is rather accurate for the south and east. I think that the center will eventually rejoin Russia as well. There
will not be a viable NATzO occupational regime in Kiev without the south and east. Russia has to regime change Kiev whether it
"annexes" the central part or not.

The parts of "Ukraine" not under Russian control (current and likely soon to be) have no economy. The whole Ukraine project was
from its onset after the Bolshevik colour revolution predicated on the south and east Russian territories being transferred to it.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Broski wrote:In other words, business as usual. 50k down, 150k to go.

Ukie forces are more then 200k

Russia won't have to kill all of them, just enough to break their will to fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine

In 2021 the size of Ukraine's armed forces, which consists of 246,445 (195,626 military personnel), makes it the second largest in the region after the Russian Armed Forces.

Macron, Scholz and Draghi are going to Kiev on thursday.

Sounds like an ideal opportunity to take out Zelensky and a few other troublesome rogues...

Lack of troops is NOT a BS excuse, you need troops to guard the lines, you need to hold reserves, you need troops to attack.

Russia just doesn't have the manpower to push them out of range and attack where they currently are.

Your solution to the enemy having dangerous artillery is more man power... is their manpower advantage leading to Russia losing their artillery?

Plus I would call 170K dead nazis a good start... possibly unrealistic but the fact that they kill their own when they try to surrender they are going to have high death vs casualty rates and also when your troops are minced by artillery and air power it can be difficult to get enough meat spread together to cover a decent sized wafer biscuit... how many men were there... who knows... certainly Kiev doesn't care... they will get closer to the truth when asking/demanding support from the west, but I doubt they know or care what the truth is... the numbers they give have an agenda and therefore depend on the audience.... high for more help and low for morale and recruiting more bodies.

I also see you and others call everything they say BS but they say something you like and suddenly they are believable? don't make me laugh

It was the way the west processes information about Russia before, during and since the cold war... if it seems bad it must be true, if it seems good it is propaganda... the Guardian has an agenda that is not helped by faking extra Ukrainian casualties... not that they are likely in any better position than us to guess, their biases would lead them to aim lower than higher in this situation which makes them more reasonable to believe than say their estimate that the Russian forces have lost 3 million and counting...

Great self explanatory video:

Looked like a good spread on an area target... from a decent standoff distance.

And frankly the only explanation I can give for why they've still not been budged from Avdeevka and in general are in a position to carry out artillery strikes on Donetsk is because such is useful for Russia itself to drive up support for the war. At any rate this was a going theory back from the first month of the war. Yes it's cynical but then war is cynical in general.

Nazis will be nazis... they are doing it to distract the Russians from the job at hand.... sending in lots of troops to deal with individual rogue artillery vehicles like Tochka launchers and now perhaps HIMARs would be a total waste of resources... killing orcs where they are killing orcs will end this conflict faster than being a fire brigade saving civilians in this way simply because it is easy to send rogue groups to kill civilians... if they send in more troops to deal with the artillery... well the Ukraine has more troops than Russia... how well have they suppressed Russian artillery?

They have ATGMs and MANPADS and drones up the yingyang so they should be safe from air power and ground forces right?

Hopefully they will be using drones and attack helicopters and Su-25s to hunt the enemy artillery in these areas... it is the fastest way to cover a large area and allows direct immediate neutralisation of enemy vehicles and crews.

In 2014, this scum was 16 y/o
How much "leader" and "active participant" he might have been, is just a debunking of what Ukro propaganda is.

Everyone is stupid when they are 16...

Арха́нгельск, lay off whatever you're smoking. They took half of the country?

Half of the Ukraine worth taking.... half of a half is a quarter... but the useful quarter...

As per him, the main benefit of this tactic is that you are firing from the safe distance and your aircraft is almost invulnerable to the manpads. In the same time, you are using the cheapest and the most available missiles.

And when the target is an area target using expensive guided weapons does not make them more effective... rockets are traditionally used against area targets anyway so as long as you have a digital computer doing the real time calculations it is as accurate as gun or rocket artillery like Grads and MSTAs, but against area targets a good spread of HE is more effective and having it all arrive at once gives less time to take cover whereas gun artillery rounds that arrive one at a time the first few rounds can be effective but slightly off target and as later rounds are walked into the target using drones or other observers correcting, the targets are harder to kill because they are under cover now and trying to avoid your shells.

Thanks for that info. Why do you think Putin and the generals haven't added more in those locations to make it more even?

They are using artillery and air power for much of the work so a numbers advantage on the ground is not as critical as some here pretend.

Like the Afghan government forces destroying the Taliban... as long as they had air support... well Russian troops being well trained and with air and artillery support have enormous advantages against the Ukrainians no matter how much HATO training they have had... tactics wont stop Grad rockets,

Putin knows this is going to take time and there will be no rushing it... doing it right and getting the job done is more important than getting it done quickly or to some timetable.

Any fight for Odessa has to take into account the fact that the Romanian border very close by which might lead to a dangerous situation moving forward... if Russian troops are advancing through the centre of the country having defeated Orc positions in the Donbass then orc troops in and around Odessa might agree to withdraw to mutually agreed borders that suit Russia... then it will be a case of securing the areas they want and getting the locals through a strainer to find nazis and war criminals and anti Russian aholes, and then with what remains let them decide what they want preferably via referendum with options that Russia can be happy with and with options like joining HATO or the EU absent. When they decide then Russia can assist with rebuilding and trade links etc etc and the rest of the Ukraine can be dealt with... Russian peacekeeper forces in and HATO and EU people out and then the same process... demilitarisation and democracy for Ukrainians... and then leave with warnings that if they want to become a threat to Russia and think joining EU or HATO will protect them then nuclear weapons will be on the table as options to obliterate the country before it can join the boy scouts.... anti Russian people can remain but pro Russians will be advised to move to the south and east portion of former Ukraine for their own safety.

Then threaten the EU and US... if you try to manipulate these new countries the gas will be turned off to Europe even if it costs Russia some money, and Uranium supplies to the US will stop, as will titanium bits and a slew of other things they never even mention regarding sanctions because they can't live without them.

Then complete the split from the west in everything... close all Russian embassies in the EU and US and close all EU and US embassies in Russia.

Yandex translation. At least part of it.

Lots of little regions would be less of a threat... interesting.

At this rate , Ukraine will be targeting moscow cities with missiles in a matter of weeks, provided by the west , but no discussion about this , lets downplay it as a minor thing..

Fall for their desperate attempts to get a rise and a change of tactics... because that is their best chance for survival... for Russia to stop doing what is working and try something else out of anger.

I doubt there are that many soldiers in Azot alone. This is probably industrial zone plus Borovskoe.

2,000 trapped might include meat shields, or even the families of the soldiers that moved to be with them when they were assigned to bolster up the anti russian sentiment in the south and east.

You can't attack foreign leaders without a disaster.

On more than one occasion US officials have openly stated they would like to see Putin murdered... I say don't assume till they have tried it.

What you can do is blow a big hole in the main runway of the airport they arrived at, so they have to make other arrangements to return home. That will send a clear message that the are not in a safe place.

Not a bad alternative solution...

Ukie forces are more then 200k

No need to kill every single one of them though.

And what is the reason, other than profiting with the PPP gap?

Article in RT mentioned the difference between California and the Mexican capital was house price averages about 750K per house in US, about 65K per house on average in Mexico capital city.... it talked about food prices and rental prices and law and order in terms of crime... all seemed to favour Mexico...

Russia has to regime change Kiev whether it
"annexes" the central part or not.

If Zelensky does not run away then a decapitation strike followed by a coup of moderates could lead to an actually neutral region that has a bit of a grudge against the west for not helping enough...

Sujoy wrote:US officials: Sanctions imposed on Russia hurting US, big time

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1536823809122213889?s=20&t=wwsK66JHzB8ZtsRlLUILJA

Really goes counter to US claims that Russia isn't an economic power and is just a gas station masquerading as a country, eh?

The Russian economy is NOT based on extracting natural resources. You cannot call 14% of GDP for resource rents as
dependence. Russia has a massive manufacturing base and is not a fluff post-modern economy composed of services and financial
rackets like the NATzO west.

Back, OT, the ratio of Ukr shelling of Russian positions vs Russian shelling of Ukr positions is around 1:100 according to Alexander Mercouris
analysis. I do not think that this level of shelling disparity has been seen since even during WWII.

Isos wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Sujoy wrote:US officials: Sanctions imposed on Russia hurting US, big time

https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1536823809122213889?s=20&t=wwsK66JHzB8ZtsRlLUILJA

Really goes counter to US claims that Russia isn't an economic power and is just a gas station masquerading as a country, eh?

One french economist resumed very well the situation. European economy is based on transforming natural ressources. Russian economy is based on extracting natural ressources. Europe imposing sanctions on Russia is just dumb. Europe has no real solution to switch from Russian supplies while Russia can find easily suppliers for its needs and sell its ressources elsewhere.

Big issue for Europe will be when they get ride if their old stocks of russian ressources. Then they will be left with nothing. US economy is too much mixed with european so if Europe fall they will feel it.

Add to this the printing of dollars has already started their recession. Soon they will feel the real boomrang effects of russian sanctions.

Russias economy relies on a combination of domestic consumption and production for local production.

Europe is the same excluding fact that they needed the resources to make end products hence relied on Russia considerably, and also relied on selling a lot of the finished products (be it food, cars or equipment) to Russia and rest of the world. What hits Europe harder is that Russia can replace those goods with domestic produced or from other nations, while Europe not only lost a major purchaser, they lost a cheaper source of resources so they can stay competitive in production. So it's a double whammy for them.

That French economist isn't very good at his job.