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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 24, 2022 12:36 am


    Just trample them Russians, kill that Nazi bastard.
    This video link is from serbian movie.





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    Post  caveat emptor Tue May 24, 2022 12:56 am

    VARGR198 wrote:
    Sasha Kots said that is not true.

    Analysis on current state of Ukrainian airforce made by Rybar.
    https://t.me/rybar/33094

     We wrote more than once that flight crews are being trained in the western part of Ukraine.

     However, if earlier there were two or three flights per day on some L-39 light attack aircraft from the airfield in Ivano-Frankivsk, now the number of daily sorties using various equipment has increased many times over from several air bases.

     The main task of the technical brigades of the Air Force of Ukraine is the accelerated restoration of mothballed equipment for the subsequent running-in of equipment and training of crews, as well as air defense crews of the radio engineering brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

     Ukrainian specialists were able to establish not only the process of training pilots, but also a repair and restoration base at several airfields:

     ➖ Ozerno-Zhytomyr Air Base.
     ➖ Airbase Lutsk.
     ➖ Vinnitsa airfield.
     ➖ Ivano-Frankivsk airfield.
     ➖ Kolomyia airfield.
     ➖ Smykovtsy airfield.
     ➖ Uzhgorod airfield.

     Parts and necessary spare parts and assemblies for MiG-29 fighters were supplied from Poland, and for Soviet-made helicopters from Eastern Europe.  For example, a multi-purpose Mi-17 helicopter of the Slovak Air Force makes at least one departure from Slovakia to the Uzhgorod airfield every day.

     Western countries are also actively involved in restoring the combat capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force, providing logistics and paying for all the work.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 24, 2022 1:05 am

    Ispan wrote:
    Today's briefing. Multiple sources, cross checked and arranged in chronological order. Good progress today.

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/23/parte-de-guerra-23-05-2022-liman-svitlodarsk-zolotoye/

    YESTERDAY 22 May, summary of Readovka

    Kharkov, no enemy advance was noticed. The Allied forces have also taken a tactical pause and are regrouping their artillery.

    Izyum-Lugansk. The main battle is currently taking place in the Severodonetsk and Lysychansk directions. The situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine worsened after the demolition of the bridge to Lisichansk on May 21. The shelling of enemy positions practically does not stop. Bakhmut (Artemovsk) is already within the range of Russian artillery. The People's Militia of the DPR officially confirmed the capture of Drobyshevo and the villages to the north.

    Donetsk. There is heavy fighting near Donetsk, on the outskirts of Avdeyevka. DPR militia units are advancing from Novobakhmutovka and Novoselovka-2, according to comrades on the battlefield, with the support of artillery, DPR militia units have already entered the urban area on the outskirts of Avdeyevka. Russian troops have established control over the Shchedrishchevo microdistrict north of Severodonetsk. The Ukrainian Armed Forces shelled residential areas of Donetsk, Yasinovataya and Volnovakha today.

    South Front, there are no significant movements on either side. Regular shelling of Ukrainian positions is carried out, but without the deployment of forces and means.

    Missile attack on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Artemiosk. In the afternoon, military installations in the Kharkiv region were destroyed. At night, a massive Smerch super-heavy rocket attack began on the positions of the Ukrainian Forces in Nikolayev, and they also attacked targets in the Odessa region.

    TODAY 23 May

    (reports come from multiple sources - edited and compiled in chronological order)

    00:00 hours Assault on Avdeyevka - Vladislav Ugolny

    The artillery is really active now, and our troops are fighting on the border of the Avdiivka — Konstantinovka highway. As far as I know, we haven't crossed the highway yet.

    The battles "for Avdeyevka" began quite a long time ago, when our troops broke through the front on Verkhnetoretsky. Later, additional units were sent to the advance. Now there are strong positional battles aimed at preventing the buildup of Ukrainian forces to attack Donetsk. Generally speaking, our troops launched a pre-emptive strike.

    This is not about any "Avdeyevka operation" similar to the breakthrough in the Popasna area. Our people simply kill the Ukronazi soldiers so that they do not move Yasinovataya or other directions.

    All the artillery deployed in Mariupol was transferred for other operations.

    10:00h

    Urgent message from war correspondents: The legendary 1st Slavyansk Brigade of the DPR army has entered Avdeyevka, there are intense artillery shelling. Our assault teams are currently engaged in a fierce battle against hordes of Ukrainian Nazis in residential buildings.

    For those who have long been immersed in the topic of events in the Donbas, their capture, from the point of view of symbols, will be no less important than the capture of Mariupol.

    14:00 hours

    Allied forces advance on Krasny Liman in the DPR, capturing one by one the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The Russian Aerospace Forces are attacking the enemy from the air, with Su-25 attack aircraft at the forefront

    https://antimaydan.info/2022/05/souznye_vojska_nastupaut_na_liman_v_dnr_zahvatyvaya_odnu_za_drugoj_pozici.html

    The video shows how the Sukoi 25 attack at low altitude by launching the rockets with a certain elevation upwards to achieve greater range and dispersion, and throwing flares to confuse the anti-aircraft missiles.

    15:00 hours

    Ukrainian Telegram channels confirm that Russian troops have occupied the northern part of the city of Krasny Liman

    The situation near Popasna at 15.00 on May 23, 2022

    ▪ In Svitlodarsk the Ukrainian positions have been taken by the flank. The units of the Allied forces occupied the village Mironovskoe, coming from Troitsky. At the forefront of the advancing forces were the assault groups of the Wagner PMC.

    ▪ Control over the locality is also confirmed by the withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the camps southeast of Svitlodarsk: local residents hang Russian flags and wait for the approach of the allied forces.

    (At 18:00 the retreating Ukrainians tried to blow up the dam of the Svitlodarsk reservoir at 21:00 the liberation of the village was confirmed)

    https://antimaydan.info/2022/05/mironovskij_nash.html

    Unlike the Severodonetsk - Lisichansk agglomeration, the main effort is not focused on Svitlodarsk, so the Ukrainian units were able to escape

    ▪ on the eve of the enemy blew up a bridge over the Lugansk River, which connects the northern and southern parts of the village. Lugansk. Ukrainian units retreated to Bakhmut (Artemivsk).

    15:45 Video of the impact of a thermobaric rocket launcher TOS in Liman, secondary explosions from a hit ammunition depot are observed

    https://t.me/sashakots/32992

    16:05

    Assault on Krasny Liman. Russian troops have gained a foothold in the city, the enemy has moved to the west, behind the railway.

    16:40

    Cleaning of Kamyshevakha. Despite some statements, the village has not yet been taken, there is street fighting, where the Chechen soldiers of the Kadyrov regiment and the cossacks of the 6th Regiment of the Lugansk Militia are taking part. The occupation of Kamyshevakha is an important step towards the elimination of the Gorskoye-Zolotoye fortified area from the army of Ukraine, as well as towards the capture of Vrubovka. Acquaintances of the LPR say that the enemy launched reinforcements to Kamyshevakha a few days ago in order to hold it as long as possible.

    17:00 hours - report from Yevegeniy Poddubny

    "The thundering of cannons roars from Liman to Avdeyevka. The entire front of the Donbass arch is in action. By the sound we can distinguish the fire of Soviet and American howitzers. The American M777 howitzer shoots slower, or the servants are clumsy, or the system sucks. Well, let's thank God.

    Ukrainian sources timidly report on the withdrawal of troops from Severodonetsk. But I can't confirm it yet. The fog of war will soon lift.

    In general, the tactics of the Ukrainian General Staff with the mobilized levies obviously does not work. It is clear that the regime is trying to keep the soldiers of the regular army, it forms some reserve formations in order to employ them within several months in the future, and in order to gain time for this purpose it throws a large number of troops into battle without instruction. A cannibalistic approach that does not bode well. Moreover, even behind the veil of total Ukrainian propaganda, one can see the real attitude of the regime leaders to the troops. It's beastly.

    The Kiev regime is digging its own grave.

    The bombardment is tremendous. The artillery of the Allied forces has been working like a marching band for the past few days. The "Wagner Orchestra" also works, by the way.

    The tactics of "small cauldrons" are justified and give more results than large maneuvers with army corps and divisions..

    By employing smaller and more dispersed units, there are fewer losses among the troops from artillery shelling, and it is easier to direct the actions of tanks and infantry in small groups.»

    About American cannons, a subscriber of the Poddubny channel explained their disadvantages.

    "You wrote about the low rate of fire of the M777, there are several factors:
    1) a piston closure that opens and closes more slowly than the usual Moderna wedge closure;
    2) a light cannon with a high rate of fire can wear out quickly (in the USA and India, there were 3 or 4 cases of barrel rupture);
    3) to achieve a technical rate of fire of 8 rounds per minute, servants must be very well instructed and rested. Usually, on average, the maximum rate of fire is 4-6 / min in the first minute, then decreases to 2 and 1 / min.»





    The Cossacks of the 6th regiment of the RPL occupied two streets of Kamyshevakha

    At the same time, they took six more fortifications in the vicinity of Zolotoye.

    In addition, the Cossacks of the 6th regiment came to the borders of the LPR and the DPR from the south side of Troitsky.



    https://topwar.ru/196685-rossijskie-vojska-i-nm-lnr-vzjali-pod-kontrol-ukreprajon-vsu-na-okraine-zolotogo-i-voshli-v-gorod.html

    20:00 hours

    unconfirmed reports that hundreds of prisoners are being taken in Krasny Liman, perhaps up to 500 soldiers have surrendered, out of a thousand the garrison consisted which indicates a collapse of the resistance. What is confirmed is that the enemy has many dead and is demoralized. At this time Russian troops control most of the population, although not all of it. It is expected that in the morning the release of Liman will be completed.

    20:30 The capture of Liman is confirmed and the number of prisoners is high, 240 and growing, it is expected that in the next few hours it will reach 400.

    https://topwar.ru/196694-ukrainskie-vojska-segodnja-poterjali-bolshe-poloviny-territorii-krasnogo-limana-a-genshtab-vsu-zajavil-ob-otsutstvii-boev-na-jetom-napravlenii.html

    East of the salient



    21:00

    A fourth assault on Avdeyevka is underway, I want to believe that this time he succeeds. our troops stormed Krasny Liman, according to the Ukrainians themselves. Fighting broke out in the city. The Severodonetsk ataqye is still difficult, in order to create a caldera, it is necessary to force the river, this, due to the dense artillery fire, is difficult.

    Fortunately, the enemy has not withdrawn his troops. They have abandoned them to sacrifice them in order to have time to prepare reserves, and their resistance there is basically hopeless and will end as in Azovstal.



    21:30

    Summary by Mikhail Onufrienko, military analyst.

    There was a breakthrough in the direction of Gorlovka. The village of Novoselovka, on the southern outskirts of New York, is completely liberated from Ukrainian troops. A week earlier, Novoselovka II was released there, which provided control of the Donetsk-Konstantinovka highway.

    Russian troops also entered Zolotoe, which is located in the semicircle between Nizhny and Tashkovka, near Seversky Donets. Part of the city has already been taken, the rest is being fought, and in fact this is the beginning of the end of this group of the Ukrainian army, which numbered at least 2 thousand people. In addition, our people entered Liman. At least the eastern part of the city is occupied, and groups of retreating enemy forces have been hit.

    There are no special changes in the direction of Kharkiv. There are battles in the Rubizhne area (the western one on the Oskol River). The troops of the Kiev regime have nothing to boast about here, because, among other things, they also have heavy losses in aviation here.



    South front

    situation at the Nikolayev-Kherson address at 20.00 on May 23, 2022

    ▪ The long-awaited counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the positions of the Russian Armed Forces in the Nikolayevy Kherson regions is still limited to sporadic shelling along the entire contact line and the strengthening of positions.

    ▪ instead of a full-fledged activity, so far only the work of reconnaissance patrols is being noticed, the enemy is investigating the defense of the Russian Armed Forces on Alexandrovka.

    The Army and tactical aviation of the Ukrainian Air Force attack the positions of the Russian Armed Forces from the Voznesensk and Dolgintsevo airfields.

    ▪ the units of the 80th Brigade after additional staffing are transferred to the Soledar directorate in Donbass. Their positions in the Mykolaiv region will be taken over by territorial defense units that have been trained at the Shiroky Lan training ground.



    Summary 21.30 on May 23, 2022 - Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad)

    1. Svitlodarsk.
    The Svitlodarsk arch began to fall. The village of Mironovsky, near Svitlodarsk, was taken. There are bouts on Vozdvizhenka and Mironovka. The Svitlodarsk-Artemovsk highway is under threat. The Ukrainians unsuccessfully tried to blow up the dam of the Uglegorsk thermal power plant.

    2. Soledar.
    After the capture of Vladimirovka, Russian Forces began shelling the Artemovsk—Lisichansk highway, so the main line of communications of the Severodonetsk group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was under direct threat. Fighting also continued in the Novaya Kamenka area.

    3. Artemovsk.
    Fighting continued near Pilipchatino. Rocket attacks on the city. The enemy is massing troops on the western outskirts of Artemovsk.

    4. Zolotoye
    The troops broke through the fortified area and reached the outskirts of Zolotoye. Kamyshevakha is also being cleaned. There are also fights in the Viktorovka and Vrubovka area. There are unconfirmed reports of the occupation of Toshkovka. The Gorsko-Zolotoe fortified zone does not have much time left.

    5. Severodonetsk.
    The assault on the city continues. The fighting has already moved to the city's neighborhoods. On the other hand, there are more and more complaints from the militarysukranians that they do not receive supplies, as well as talks about the fact that Zelensky does not allow Zaluzhny to withdraw troops from the bag.

    6. Krasny Liman.
    The assault on the city began. Our troops entered from the north and began to occupy the streets of the city. Artillery and aviation are very active in the morning. The enemy retreated to the southern part of the city. A large number of prisoners are reported

    7. Izyum
    Fighting continued in the area of Bolshaya Kamyshevakha, Kurulka and Dolgenky. The battles here are even more positional in nature.

    8. Kharkiv.
    Fighting of medium intensity continued in the area of Liptsa, Ternovoe, Rubezhnoye. After the enemy moved part of his forces from near Kharkov to Izyum, the front here stabilized, and the advances are small.

    9. Avdeyevka.
    It is near the Avdiivka—Kostiantynivka highway. The enemy's defenses are being tested on the outskirts of Avdiivka and in the Krasnohorivka area. After the occupation of Novoselovka, troops continue to fight on the outskirts of New York.

    10. Zaporozhe.
    There are no changes on the Kamenskoye-Orekhovo-Gulyai-Pole-Velikaya Novoseloveka line. The enemy hopes that soon this direction will be activated and the Russian Armed Forces will launch an offensive in Zaporozhee or in the Gulyai-Pole area.

    11. Marinka, Nikolaev, Odessa - no novelty

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 24, 2022 1:09 am

    flamming_python wrote:3 fucking Su-25s?

    Where do they keep getting these kamikaze pilots from?
    I'm finding this hard to believe
    And it's not like they can hastily train new pilots in weeks or something, the Su-25 is a complicated machine - anything that flies is, but especially military aircraft and jet aircraft.

    Shades of Japanese naval aviation post-Midway. Best pilots already lost, no time or resources to properly replace them.

    Very good. Razz

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue May 24, 2022 1:28 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Shades of Japanese naval aviation post-Midway.  Best pilots already lost, no time or resources to properly replace them.

    Very good. Razz

    I hope not exxactly as in Japan. Two nukes at the end and eternal love from country you have just bombed? Suspect Suspect Suspect

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 24, 2022 1:36 am

    Regular wrote:Very good example. But West does like to change their toys often. We will see, Chechens were much more hostile than Ukrainians not long ago, and look at them now.

    Agreed, but what did it take to turn the Chechens around?  A total & complete military defeat, installation of a friendly ruling authority, and significant investment and rebuilding over a period of > 10 years (or at least, thats my impressions as an outsider who doesn't speak Russian).

    I have little doubt that this solution can be repeated in Ukropisstain, and the first stage is to smackdown these bastards hard and drop them to their knees in the ruins of Kiev.  Ideas that Ukrainians are "brothers" is past history, and a possible future, but doesn't describe the current reality.  Russia needs to treat Ukraine as the US treated Japan (minus the A-bombs) or the USSR treated the East Germans.  Defeat them. Demilitarise them. Govern them. De-nazify them. Encourage all pro-Russian segments of their society while ruthlessly suppressing the Bandera-Nazi remnants and their vile ideology.

    If the US can manage this in foreign lands like Germany & Japan and have loyal obedient satraps after > 75 years, I don't see why Russia shouldn't be able to do the same in a land where Russian cultural civilisation has been dominant for centuries prior.

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    Post  Vann7 Tue May 24, 2022 3:03 am

    VARGR198 wrote:
    According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in the course of a special military operation, crews of self-propelled guns carry out fire missions to destroy strongholds, fortifications, equipment and manpower of the enemy, and also successfully suppress the firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during counter-battery combat. After each fire raid and in case of detection of enemy unmanned aerial vehicles, the firing position is immediately changed.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14698027

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    Even russian defense ministry released own videos shows the lack of precision of their drones..
    that completely missed the artillery  , at best wounded 1 soldier at the far right , because everyone else ran away after the bomb explode ,running in the opposite direction away of the explosion. Laughing  

    This is what i have been saying since the start of the conflict.. the russian usage of drones ,specially strike drones or kamikazi drones have been far from impressive , not even close to what ukraine have been doing.  ukraine videos shows direct hits and tanks blow up in a thousands of pieces by
    drones or artillery guided by the drones.

    i rather choose the truth , than propaganda.. russia needs to become much more aggressive and efficient in the use of drones..  probably the operator was new ,and not experienced ,and was the reason of the missing..  still don't change the fact that russia is lagging behind ukraine in precision and in combined operations too with drones..


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    Post  diabetus Tue May 24, 2022 3:11 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:
    According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in the course of a special military operation, crews of self-propelled guns carry out fire missions to destroy strongholds, fortifications, equipment and manpower of the enemy, and also successfully suppress the firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during counter-battery combat. After each fire raid and in case of detection of enemy unmanned aerial vehicles, the firing position is immediately changed.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14698027



    Even russian defense ministry released own videos shows the lack of precision of their drones..
    that completely missed the artillery  , at best wounded 1 soldier at the far right , because everyone else ran away after the bomb explode ,running in the opposite direction away of the explosion. Laughing  

    This is what i have been saying since the start of the conflict.. the russian usage of drones ,specially strike drones or kamikazi drones have been far from impressive , not even close to what ukraine have been doing.  ukraine videos shows direct hits and tanks blow up in a thousands of pieces by
    drones or artillery guided by the drones.

    i rather choose the truth , than propaganda.. russia needs to become much more aggressive and efficient in the use of drones..  probably the operator was new ,and not experienced ,and was the reason of the missing..  still don't change the fact of the poor documentation with video evidence of russian operations.[/quote]

    No one's kamikaze drones have been really impressive so far, switchblade included.
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    Post  Serberus Tue May 24, 2022 3:42 am

    I myself have posted several links of pin point accuracy of Russian strikes, guided by drones and probably using drones as well. I think you are understating Russian hits, and grossly overstating the Ukrop ones. They are being annihilated in Donbass, theres a reason for that…just look at the difference in pow count… they are surrendering because they are under constant accurate fire not because they feel like it.
    Sure there is room for improvement, and more and better strike drones are needed undoubtedly, and listening to Shoigu the Russian MOD is definitely going to ramp up that side of it. You chose to focus on one part of one video to make your point.
    Also after the suicide drone missed they followed up with MLRS and TOS and ended up cooking that whole area… so its not like that suicide drone was the whole story. Yes it failed in that instance, bit didn’t change the outcome which was the destruction of their artillery.


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    Post  limb Tue May 24, 2022 3:44 am

    Im really hoping that russia will finish the job when it comes to liberating novorossiya at least, and doesnt agree to any peace terms. The ukraine has no right to russian goodwill anymore. They should lose their novorossiyan coastline.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 24, 2022 4:44 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:.....
    I hope not exxactly as in Japan. Two nukes at the end and eternal love from country you have just bombed? Suspect

    I mean two nukes are small price to pay for eternal love, wouldn't you agree?




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    Post  sepheronx Tue May 24, 2022 5:04 am

    PhSt wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    VARGR198 wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:Has anyone written about this ? I went back a couple of pages but I don't see any info about this ..If so, I apologize for posting again.

    TASS: Military operation in Ukraine
    May 23, 07:59

    Crews with "Giacint-S" of the RF Armed Forces destroyed a unit of M-777 howitzers from the USA in Ukraine

    According to the Ministry of Defense, the crews of self-propelled guns carry out fire missions to destroy enemy strongholds, fortifications, equipment and manpower.


    MOSCOW, May 23. /TASS/. The Russian Defense Ministry has published footage of the combat work of the crews of 152-millimeter self-propelled guns "Giacint-S", in particular, the defeat of the Ukrainian unit of 155-mm howitzers M-777 made in the United States. This was reported on Monday in the military department.

    "In the course of carrying out the tasks of counter-battery combat, the Giacint-S battery destroyed a unit of 155-millimeter towed howitzers M-777 made in the United States," the report says.

    According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in the course of a special military operation, crews of self-propelled guns carry out fire missions to destroy strongholds, fortifications, equipment and manpower of the enemy, and also successfully suppress the firing positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during counter-battery combat. After each fire raid and in case of detection of enemy unmanned aerial vehicles, the firing position is immediately changed.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14698027


    That video link is from 6 days ago and TASS post is from today.. It is possible that everything is interconnected and maybe not.

    Target wasn't hit. I don't care if Russia has to steal technology from their adversaries but they have to improve the accuracy of their weapon systems. attack

    Please provide qualifications for you to have any kind of authority on how these systems work and used please.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 24, 2022 6:33 am

    PhSt wrote:Target wasn't hit. I don't care if Russia has to steal technology from their adversaries but they have to improve the accuracy of their weapon systems. attack

    Wasn't hit?  Whatever damage was inflicted by this (or other?) drone strikes was obviously sufficient to get the Ukie to demob from their firing positions and scoot into forest cover that they thought would be safe...  Razz

    M777s located, attacked, neutralised.

    Sounds effective to me.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue May 24, 2022 7:05 am

    Well the silver lining is that the battery know it's no longer safe to be there. They wont do their fire mission.

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    Post  Scorpius Tue May 24, 2022 7:11 am

    lol. Our Van again arranges an attraction of mental retardation.
    Perhaps many are unaware, but kamikaze drones are not the equivalent of an artillery shell - they are not designed to destroy structures. This is the equivalent of a grenade, which you can use to hit manpower, not military equipment. So you can't claim that the drone's target was guns. They should fall close to them in order to hit the maintenance team with fragments, and not the cannon itself.

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    Post  limb Tue May 24, 2022 7:57 am

    Im particularly worried about anti ship missile shipments to ukraine.
    The first problem is that these missiles can be stored in civilian trucks or containers(like how houthis stealthily owned C-802s), or otherwise easily concealed and be undetectable until launched. The ukrainians will be fed targeting info from NATO surveillance, which makes their targeting passive. Whats worrying is that we don't actually know if harpoons were already sent. They could be ready, and the ukrainians may be biding their time, waiting for an opportune moment to hit the grigoroviches.
    The second problem is that they can continuously and affordably launched in salvos, and the existing warships of the black sea fleet don't have magazines deep enough to withstand an attack. The grigoroviches must stay together to protect each other, which kind of breaks the blockade. 8-30 harpoons can be easily concealed and launched at the same time.Since ships are slow, the ukrainians will be able to keep launching salvoes, with no way for the ship to get out of range.

    What do you guys think is the solution for these problems?


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    Post  diabetus Tue May 24, 2022 7:59 am

    limb wrote:Im particularly worried about anti ship missile shipments to ukraine.
    The first problem is that these missiles can be stored in civilian trucks or containers(like how houthis stealthily owned C-802s), or otherwise easily concealed and be undetectable until launched. The ukrainians will be fed targeting info from NATO surveillance, which makes their targeting passive. Whats worrying is that we don't actually know if harpoons were already sent. They could be ready, and the ukrainians may be biding their time, waiting for an opportune moment to hit the grigoroviches.
    The second problem is that they can continuously and affordably launched in salvos, and the existing warships of the black sea fleet don't have magazines deep enough to withstand an attack. The grigoroviches must stay together to protect each other, which kind of breaks the blockade. 8-30 harpoons can be easily concealed and launched at the same time.

    What do you guys think is the solution for these problems?

    Take nikolaev and Odessa.

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    Post  limb Tue May 24, 2022 8:00 am

    diabetus wrote:
    limb wrote:Im particularly worried about anti ship missile shipments to ukraine.
    The first problem is that these missiles can be stored in civilian trucks or containers(like how houthis stealthily owned C-802s), or otherwise easily concealed and be undetectable until launched. The ukrainians will be fed targeting info from NATO surveillance, which makes their targeting passive. Whats worrying is that we don't actually know if harpoons were already sent. They could be ready, and the ukrainians may be biding their time, waiting for an opportune moment to hit the grigoroviches.
    The second problem is that they can continuously and affordably launched in salvos, and the existing warships of the black sea fleet don't have magazines deep enough to withstand an attack. The grigoroviches must stay together to protect each other, which kind of breaks the blockade. 8-30 harpoons can be easily concealed and launched at the same time.

    What do you guys think is the solution for these problems?

    Take nikolaev and Odessa.
    That would take months
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    Post  Scorpius Tue May 24, 2022 8:04 am

    The on-board defense complex "Vitebsk", installed on Russian helicopters, on average reflects from 3 to 5 Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles for each sortie.
    https://ria-ru.turbopages.org/ria.ru/s/20220524/bko-1790292086.html

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue May 24, 2022 8:11 am

    limb wrote:

    What do you guys think is the solution for these problems?

    More air cover. like A-50U to provide early warning and Sukhois from Black sea fleet doing intercept mission. It is intensive but that's what needs to be done if the ships are to be deployed far from Sevastopol.

    NATO air surveillance must be rivaled with equally intensive Russian surveillance, to keep situational awareness high.
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    Post  Backman Tue May 24, 2022 8:16 am

    limb wrote:
    diabetus wrote:
    limb wrote:Im particularly worried about anti ship missile shipments to ukraine.
    The first problem is that these missiles can be stored in civilian trucks or containers(like how houthis stealthily owned C-802s), or otherwise easily concealed and be undetectable until launched. The ukrainians will be fed targeting info from NATO surveillance, which makes their targeting passive. Whats worrying is that we don't actually know if harpoons were already sent. They could be ready, and the ukrainians may be biding their time, waiting for an opportune moment to hit the grigoroviches.
    The second problem is that they can continuously and affordably launched in salvos, and the existing warships of the black sea fleet don't have magazines deep enough to withstand an attack. The grigoroviches must stay together to protect each other, which kind of breaks the blockade. 8-30 harpoons can be easily concealed and launched at the same time.

    What do you guys think is the solution for these problems?

    Take nikolaev and Odessa.
    That would take months

    So what. It won't be as hard as anything they've done already

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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 24, 2022 8:38 am

    Hole wrote:
    Those biolabs must be really lucrative.

    Not necessary.
    Those are just owned by the right people, in opposite to small businesses.
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    caveat emptor wrote:

     Western countries are also actively involved in restoring the combat capabilities of the Ukrainian Air Force, providing logistics and paying for all the work.

    Western countries are unable to restore the combat capabilities, as they all combined don't have the numbers Ukro had at the beginning of the conflict.
    What they are even talking about? scratch
    Seems that people don't get the message behind the story.
    Ukros can make kamikaze attacks because they have few planes left.
    Those remaining pieces can be displaced along with the territory of the biggest European country, which had a Soviet heritage of hundreds of airfields. And the planes we are hearing about, can start and land from a flat field if needed.
    That is a number that doesn't require a serious campaign, as that would be a waste of assets.
    Planes are just shot down on a daily manner, and nobody really gives a shit about that at a level higher than Pancyr&Tor battalion command.

    Just the same story is behind the restoring Ukro surface to air potential.
    No country in Europe has anything to share left, other than junk.
    The sole system that can be in theory shared by the biggest exWarPac member would be the Polish Newa-SC system, which is nothing more than S-125 placed on tracked chassis of T-55, and pimped up with some 30+ y/o electronic. Poland has a few 2K12 Kub left, and several Osa units.
    That is a generation behind the stuff Ukros had, and the numbers that can be combined from all the exWarPac members would be about a factor of the number Ukros used to have.
    The only successful attacks made by the Ukrs were performed with the help of Buk because this piece is highly mobile, can operate hidden, using an optical tracker, and does not require an early warning station to be used at all.
    Sending MIM-104? Laughing
    Good luck! You need 2 years of military college to train anti-aircraft specialists, and what you will get is a system inferior to Buk you already had, and Russkies were neither impressed nor scared.
    On paper, Ukraine had an echeloned coverage system with S-300, Buk-M1, Tor, and Tunguska systems, supplemented by the waste number of Osa, some locally applied S-125 batteries, and an unaccountable number of MANPADS.
    In reality, both Tor and Tunguska were hardly operational, due to pare parts embargo I believe. This is what all of them were used for a staged propaganda material, posing the Russian equipment.
    THey were left with S-300, Buk, and Osa - which is still a formidable air defense better than any other European country, other than Russia or Belarus.
    Oh yes, please make more wanking on Twitter, how a supply of a few 40 y/o junk systems 75% of which won't even reach the area will solve the situation.
    Wunderwaffe stories are so close to nazi hearts!


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    Post  Backman Tue May 24, 2022 8:43 am

    Denmark to give Ukraine anti-ship missiles with 250KM range — USA

    These stupidll ideas are concerning. And they keep coming. This is why I was suggesting to jump on Odessa


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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 24, 2022 8:50 am

    limb wrote:Im particularly worried about anti ship missile shipments to ukraine.
    The first problem is that these missiles can be stored in civilian trucks or containers(like how houthis stealthily owned C-802s), or otherwise easily concealed and be undetectable until launched. The ukrainians will be fed targeting info from NATO surveillance, which makes their targeting passive. Whats worrying is that we don't actually know if harpoons were already sent. They could be ready, and the ukrainians may be biding their time, waiting for an opportune moment to hit the grigoroviches.
    The second problem is that they can continuously and affordably launched in salvos, and the existing warships of the black sea fleet don't have magazines deep enough to withstand an attack. The grigoroviches must stay together to protect each other, which kind of breaks the blockade. 8-30 harpoons can be easily concealed and launched at the same time.Since ships are slow, the ukrainians will  be able to keep launching salvoes, with no way for the ship to get out of range.

    What do you guys think is the solution for these problems?

    The blockade, such as it is, is IMHO enforced by submarines, not surface ships.  I'd judge that the missions of the 11356s is as radar pickets and AD, not blockade enforcement.

    The solution is maintain LACM strikes on all Ukropi staging areas and equipment warehouses, and keep up with the apparently successful practice of tracking NATO premium equipment transfers.  I suspect that a good deal of Russian intel is human-based, ie Ukrainians opposed to the Banderite nationalism creed and the lick-spittle regime hiding in Kiev/Lvov, so the info isn't about to stop anytime soon.

    The air force should scour Ukropi coastline from Odessa down to Romania and look for groups of trucks loitering or otherwise attempting concealment, a sure sign that the vehicle is not a harmless civvie.  ELINT plays a large part as well, ie intercepted communications to/from AShM TELs.

    Finally I'd keep AWACS on patrol 24/7 over the Black Sea.  Shtil is more than good enough to take down Harpoons, the key is simply to make sure Navy ships have adequate situational awareness and can't be caught unawares.

    I'm not convinced the Moskva was taken down by Ukropi Neptunes, mainly because I don't believe these had actually reached IOC but were more of a planned deployment.  I suspect that a S-300F misfire was the culprit, but in all likelyhood we won't find out until the shooting is over and the Ukrotrash have sullenly agreed to an unconditional surrender, at which time the cause of the loss of a 40 year old cruiser slated for scrapping will be far from anyones mind Razz

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    Post  Erk Tue May 24, 2022 9:04 am

    How did Ukraine get the M777s all the way to the front lines undetected?

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