Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

Moscow has threatened Western countries that the supply of weapons to Ukraine that are capable of striking at the territory of the Russian Federation will be a step towards an unacceptable escalation, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an interview with RT Arabic.

"This will be a serious step towards an unacceptable escalation. I hope that sane minds in the West, there are still a few of them left, understand this," the minister added.

Ukraine is asking Western countries to supply missile systems that can strike at a distance of up to 300 kilometers. In the case of such deliveries, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can strike at logistics chains in NATO countries.
https://t.me/OpenUkraine/17847

Then we can close the forum. NATO's military education will certainly know exactly what is up to date and what is not. This is not secret forum. Your answer is ridiculous.

You asked us to identify all the objects on a contested island in the middle of a war... I mention there are OPSEC considerations and you tell me my answer is ridiculous.

So what is your motivation for the question... and I also could tell you a lot of the Fuckups the US has made over the last 20 years in regard to Russia could have been avoided if they did read this forum and listen to certain members opinions and contributions.

But then I am glad they either don't read this or are too arrogant or ignorant to take good advice... the people of Syria and Libya would not be suffering the way they are but then Kosovo would be Serbian and Georgia would have people in South Ossetia and Abkhazia and the people of the Crimea would be Ukrainian... Europe and the US might have been mass producing Sputnik V with a lot fewer dead people.

But it better helps us get an understanding of the situation.

What makes you think anyone on the internet understands the situation on the island?

300 dead bodies found in #Azovstal tunnel that was held by Ukrainian nazi forces for more than 2 months

They are nazis... it might have been long term food stores...

Old news, but somehow AT-4 ended up in Russia. Luckily it exploded in the smuggler's car. Just proves my point that Black Market will affect the whole of Europe and Russia including... I bet there are plenty of unaccountable weapons in Ukraine itself, no doubt it will end up in criminal organisations hands and at some stage, terrorists...

Should be multiple redundant safeties to prevent explosions during transit... perhaps it was booby trapped?

Either by the HATO nazis or the Orc nazis...

Wow I wonder what the lethal blast radius is. TOS is a terrifying weapon, would be nice if the range was longer. Even TOS 2 is only 7 km? But still terrifying.

TOS-1 was from 5 to 7km depending on the model and the TOS-2 is about 15km I think...

I seem to recall that we had issues here in Canada with high cost of maintenance and how complicated it can be to use and maintain our Leopard 2A6's.

There was talk of heating and air conditioning needed when it was too cold or too hot...

Isn't the T-90M equal to the best western MBTs BTW?

Pretty much yes, while being 10-15 tons lighter of course.

New rockets for TOS 1 have 10km range. And I've seen numbers for TOS 2 quoted at 12km.

TOS-1 are launched from a tank with a box of rockets on top... TOS-2 is a truck vehicle and so its rockets are always fired from much further away and normally behind cover. (ie no direct line of sight engagements)

The regime has to be removed and it is doable. It does not have to be done now. Get the Donbas done first. But the only long term chance of peace cannot involve this regime.

This regime wouldn't follow the Minsk agreements... there are no agreements possible with this regime they could expect to be honoured so yes... the regime has to go.

I told all y’all already that Dmitry is fuckin' crazy

He thought he was Cinderella and he was going to the ball with prince charming, but he found out very quickly the west just wants Russia to be a whore and allow the west full access to her goodies... it was a wake up call for Medvedev... now he understands that the west wants a colony and not a partner in Russia.

Kissenger is saying there is only a month or so left before Russia turns away from the west completely but I think that ship has already sailed and I honestly don't think Russia will make any efforts at all to improve relations with the west... the west has shown its true colours and they are ugly.

Ukrainians curse Putin when in fact they should be sending him thank you notes and wishes for good health and long life

It is a mistake the west has made regarding Putin most of his time in office... they think he is anti west but he is Russias most pro west leader if you ignore the traitor Yeltsen.

^ Those kinds of polls and Kievs rhetoric makes decisions easy for Russia. Expand the war.

Just be happy they are idiots and continue to screw themselves over... giving Russia more time to kill their minions.

So how did Kiev pollsters interview or ask Ukrainians in "occupied" territories?

Gives me indication it's all bullshit.

The poll is on the BBC website... I doubt they spoke to anyone at all... why bother because they know the answers they want...

Anyone that believe that a "peace deal" is possible with ukraine are completely delusional ,

The war will not last forever so the peace deal will be what Russia dictates to what ever is left of the Ukraine... certainly wont be Zelensky because he can't follow through on agreements (Minsk).

Winter Is Coming....

I know its been mention that VKS has made a number of air-to-air kills against Ukrainian aircraft.

Has there been any aircraft HUD footage release by the MOD or other sources showing any of these kills?

Flyboy77 wrote:I know its been mention that VKS has made a number of air-to-air kills against Ukrainian aircraft.

Has there been any aircraft HUD footage release by the MOD or other sources showing any of these kills?  

No, only MOD briefings so far, sadly. I especially interested in Maj Viktor Dudin's aerial victories.

NEBO-T systems working in Ukraine. These track Drones, aircraft, MLRS launches, missiles and any other air targets & transmit information straight to the front lines for Russian troops to work with.

https://t.me/asbmil/1691

Seems Nebo-T is an upgrade of Nebo-U:
https://dfnc.ru/en/russia-news/russia-s-nebo-t-radars-on-combat-alert/

Which is a VHF 3D Radar system so this is an upgrade of that.

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace  Forces have hit positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' 10th Mountain Assault Brigade near Bakhmut, Donetsk People's Republic. 7 command and observation posts and 13 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration have been hit.

Also, 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile launcher and 1 radar of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system have been destroyed near Barvenkovo. In addition, 1 Ukrainian air defence guidance and targeting radar station has been destroyed near Gusarovka, Kharkov Region.

Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 44 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 250 nationalists and 84 military equipment, including 9 tanks, 5 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 10 mounts of field artillery and 22 vehicles of various types. In addition, 2 ammunition depots have been destroyed near Spornoe in Donetsk People's Republic and Barvenkovo in Kharkov Region.

Russian air defence means have shot down 1 MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over Belyary, Odessa Region.

In addition, 8 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed near Liptsy, Balakleya, Malye Prokhody, Glubokoe, Glinskoe in Kharkiv Region, and Yampol, Maslyakovka, Vasilevka in Donetsk People's Republic, as well as 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile have been intercepted near Svatovo in Lugansk People's Republic.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 77 command posts of AFU units, 412 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 53 artillery firing positions.

As a result of a strike against a pontoon company near Zavgorodnee, Kharkov Region, another attempt to equip a pontoon crossing by the Ukrainian Armed Forces across the Severskyi Donets River has been disrupted.

In total, 180 Ukrainian airplanes and 127 helicopters, 1,027 unmanned aerial vehicles, 324 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,281 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 438 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,693 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,218 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Flyboy77 wrote:I know its been mention that VKS has made a number of air-to-air kills against Ukrainian aircraft.

Has there been any aircraft HUD footage release by the MOD or other sources showing any of these kills?  

Perhaps we will see them in 10-20 years in materials intended for official use. In any case, why would Russia disclose the real profile of the attack in a real combat situation? So that her enemies would develop a set of countermeasures based on such a video recording? As for their presence, yes, such records are necessarily kept during flights, just if they were not disclosed, then they contain some secret information. Direct combat impact, its methods and methods of implementation are too sensitive information to disclose.

Hinex1988 wrote:
High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace  Forces have hit positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' 10th Mountain Assault Brigade near Bakhmut, Donetsk People's Republic. 7 command and observation posts and 13 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration have been hit.

Does anyone have information about the total number of missile strikes on Ukraine since the start of the special operation? How many times has Russia broken the NATO record for the use of precision weapons in a single combat operation?

What are the next plans for the special operations now? I am afraid that Russia has to occupy the rest of Ukraine, if it wants peace. After all the escalations caused by the Western bloc states it seems more unlikely that Russia could make a lasting peace treaty with Ukraine.

Stealthflanker wrote:No, only MOD briefings so far, sadly.  I especially interested in Maj Viktor Dudin's aerial victories.

That guy is one air to air victory away from being an Ace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVCPaJym4kM

PapaDragon wrote:

Hole wrote:https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-consequences-petty-tabaquis-howling/

This part:

...The deputy chair of the Russian Security Council, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, said that “any peace proposal built purely in the interest of NATO and the Western world order should simply be ignored.”

“Or rather, their authors should be told to go in a certain direction,” Medvedev said...

I told all y’all already that Dmitry is fuckin' crazy

If he were running the show VKS would have been doing Rolling Thunder all over Ukrop asses for months now  

Ukrainians curse Putin when in fact they should be sending him thank you notes and wishes for good health and long life

Martyanov mentioned a while ago in one of his videos that Medvedev is some nasty guy. He is unforgiving. If you make a mistake he will go nuts on you even in front of others. On the other and Putin always stays polite.

Now remember what happened as Medvedev was President. The west tried to screw him and did so with Libya. He remembers.

JohninMK wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Early morning fog

The explosion shockwaves ripple through it

It was the shockwaves that got my attention, not seen it quite as clearly as this.

Must be really nasty if you are subjected to it.

Any explosion in fog will do that. They all create shockfronts, the fog just makes them more visible

Hole wrote:

Martyanov mentioned a while ago in one of his videos that Medvedev is some nasty guy. He is unforgiving. If you make a mistake he will go nuts on you even in front of others. On the other and Putin always stays polite.

Now remember what happened as Medvedev was President. The west tried to screw him and did so with Libya. He remembers.

Sounds like PR for him. I don't know, he does not strike me as someone who can handle being a leader. I would be happy to be wrong but from the footage I have seen of him he was very timid and rather like a pacifist which would make him a bad leader, but again I would be very happy to be wrong.

The most important thing is that we need a leader that is only looking at Russia's interest and to better not only the political but also daily life or Russians.

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Early morning fog

The explosion shockwaves ripple through it

It was the shockwaves that got my attention, not seen it quite as clearly as this.

Must be really nasty if you are subjected to it.

Any explosion in fog will do that. They all create shockfronts, the fog just makes them more visible

Not necessary in fog. Wet weather is fine.
It is called Wilson cloud effect.

Podlodka77 wrote:
Well this is true "Leopard-2 was employed by goat fuckers to kill goat fuckers".  
The essence is that in the West, the F-22 always "destryos in simulations" ten best Russian fighter planes, while the Leopard 2 is worth 4 or 5 of the best Russian tanks. And there is always the same story in the West ...

Talking about fighting goat fuckers - Russian tank usage in 2nd Chechen war was so good that they barely lost any tanks there and they were the same ones used in the disastrous 1st war. Also, Russians used T-62 in 080808 war and still managed to overwhelm Georgians with modernized T-72 tanks.

Problems with the West is that they think they have superiority. Russians have no such illusions, they have advantages and disadvantages and use their weaponry accordingly. That's how it works, just like a game of chess and the westerners think it's a game of tic-tac-toe and they are the ones starting first.

This superiority complex should shake after realities in Ukraine.

Regular wrote:

This superiority complex should shake after realities in Ukraine.

It won't.
They will just increase the amount of agitprop.
Maybe some new kind of Rambo will be filmed.

Ukraine has now received M 270. This system will be used to target Russian infantry divisions.

Pantsir should be able to neutralize the M 270's rockets in flight.

Sorry for being slightly OT: I am looking for a short video of Russian Tank (T72, T80, I do not care) firing during this special operation. Better without music in the background. TIA.

Sujoy wrote:Ukraine has now received M 270. This system will be used to target Russian infantry divisions.

Pantsir should be able to neutralize the M 270's rockets in flight.

They already have bm-27 and bm-30 as well as tochka. It didn't really helped them. US counterparts are not any better and they will have far less than soviet systems.

Another propaganda win for ukraine but no change on the ground.

It seems the mighty ukrainian army is more in need of soldiers and machine guns

Vann7 wrote:

Isos wrote:

Sujoy wrote:Ukraine has now received M 270. This system will be used to target Russian infantry divisions.

Pantsir should be able to neutralize the M 270's rockets in flight.

They already have bm-27 and bm-30 as well as tochka. It didn't really helped them. US counterparts are not any better and they will have far less than soviet systems.

Another propaganda win for ukraine but no change on the ground.

M270 is not any better than Russian cruise missiles ,that have way superior range and superior precision. this is basically ballistic missiles with mediun range and medium satellite guidance precision.

this however will indeed increase the casualties rate of russian army ,and could stop an advance in some place ,and to counter them ,will be next to impossible if you don't have an s-350 near .no idea if tors or pantsir can deal with that. but i don't think short range air defenses are ideal to intercept them. The good thing however ,is that will teach russia a lesson , of how inadequate are their air defenses in a fight versus nato. ballistic missiles are much more tricky to intercept , even for american forces , as we saw in iraq.. but an offensive army ,like nato is , don't need to worry much about intercepting missiles.. they have the entire west on their pockets ,their media ,and their financial system and banks , and they can strike with tactical nukes , at the countries attacking any NATO country with missiles. or launch hundreds  of cruise missiles in retaliation at the country that attacked them or isolate that country from the world. Offense > defense . offense is the best kind of defense..  if you hit very hard your enemies ,something that russia never does , they can be dissuaded to continue fighting. I don't think russia will have the stomach to strike nato bases in retaliation for any himar attack on their forces. Reason why russia needs to create its own true alliance and fully arm it to counter any nato attack on any alliance soldiers. Russia don't have anything that could counter NATO ,or counter western financial system , because it lacks of leadership skills and Russia have been developed for 20 years , like a bananas commodities economy,
and so have done very little to disband the western order by attracting most developed countries into the russian business orbit. Only nations that follows russia as their leader, are rejected ones by the developed world , like iran ,like venezuela , cuba. etc.

Tor is only the last line and can change the target area by intercepting 2-5m before the destination. Possibly also at 5-10km depending on the recording and reaction. When there is a gate. See picture about me. Hope there is a TOR...

Other systems will have a hard time recording. Possibly an A50/MIG-31BM with DataTalink to an S-300/400 or BuKM3. But even then there is too little time.

So practically only TOR helps to avert the kill damage.