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    Post  franco Thu May 05, 2022 1:40 am

    limb wrote:

    Exactly. Stupidity most likely got the T-90 destroyed.  It also could've been destroyed by passive ATGMs like javelin. Tanks would need a MAWS to detect them.

    Btw all Ukrainian forces who fought around Kiev we're successfully transferred around gulyaipole.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/46935

    So much for them being pinned down

    So all the forces around Kiev?? Come on...

    Actually 15,000 were sent south to cover the area along the east bank of the Dnieper, how many made it through the Russian aviation gauntlet??

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    Post  Belisarius Thu May 05, 2022 1:48 am

    limb wrote:

    They only had 20 T-90Ms. 1 down, only 19 more left.

    It's turret points to the back, do it was probably ambushed because Russian soldiers don't know how to protect their AFVs and suck at recon. If it was destroyed by artillery, Russian counter battery fire is ineffective.

    Judging what happened from an image that has no context is pathetic...
    https://youtu.be/W9pVEP0AzZ4
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    Post  lyle6 Thu May 05, 2022 1:49 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    There is no path to victory for Ukraine here anymore


    As my father tends to say: When you're in, urine. Razz

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    Post  limb Thu May 05, 2022 1:53 am

    franco wrote:
    limb wrote:

    Exactly. Stupidity most likely got the T-90 destroyed.  It also could've been destroyed by passive ATGMs like javelin. Tanks would need a MAWS to detect them.

    Btw all Ukrainian forces who fought around Kiev we're successfully transferred around gulyaipole.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/46935

    So much for them being pinned down

    So all the forces around Kiev?? Come on...

    Actually 15,000 were sent south to cover the area along the east bank of the Dnieper, how many made it through the Russian aviation gauntlet??  

    Judging by 0 russian advance from the south, probably most of them made it through.
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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu May 05, 2022 2:18 am

    limb wrote:
    franco wrote:
    limb wrote:

    Exactly. Stupidity most likely got the T-90 destroyed.  It also could've been destroyed by passive ATGMs like javelin. Tanks would need a MAWS to detect them.

    Btw all Ukrainian forces who fought around Kiev we're successfully transferred around gulyaipole.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/46935

    So much for them being pinned down

    So all the forces around Kiev?? Come on...

    Actually 15,000 were sent south to cover the area along the east bank of the Dnieper, how many made it through the Russian aviation gauntlet??  

    Judging by 0 russian advance from the south, probably most of them made it through.

    Is that front the place where the Russians were attacking? Also, why hasn't the Ukrainian "counter offensive managed to recapture any towns or settlements in that direction?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu May 05, 2022 2:26 am

    limb wrote:Wake me up when they have taken Kramatorsk.

    Don't rely on a call. I think just about everybody here with an IQ above room temperature has you on ignore. Razz

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    Post  limb Thu May 05, 2022 2:33 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    limb wrote:Wake me up when they have taken Kramatorsk.

    Don't rely on a call.  I think just about everybody here with an IQ above room temperature has you on ignore.  Razz

    I'm relying on colonelcassad  on telegram  for news.  There's zero interesting news about Frontline successes, just cope and circlejerk about the tuvan firefighter's "hard statements". For the last 30 days his news has been "almost no change on the Frontline" so you're right. I probably will die of old age before I ser the news "Avdeevka has fallen", let alone "Kharkov has fallen" or even "Kramatorsk has fallen".


    Keep in mind I understand Russian, and I see the rage Russians have and slurs they're using against the Russian army command. Do you claim to know more than Russians who are directly affected by the Tuvan's wartime strategy and (lack of) procurement?
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    Post  LMFS Thu May 05, 2022 2:42 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Winning this war quickly would be disastrous for Russia and it should be avoided at all costs, if they do they would be stuck babysitting and funding Afghanistan on steroids

    I dare saying Russia was not aiming for this in the beginning and is maybe not officially so even now, but the West in their unrivalled stupidity made damn sure 404 would finally and officially cease to be. Which is a blessing in disguise for the Russian interests as said before, since there will be no nazi ukrainian statehood to worry about (alas, even Polish occupation of Galicia may help there in the end) and the basis for a potential widespread 5th column in the future will be annihilated in the battlefield or run to their beloved West, instead disrupting the reconstruction efforts in the future. Sounds cynical and I feel sorry because of this tragedy, but certainly Russia warned the ukies n times that being the West's cheap bitches would not have a happy ending with wedding and honeymoon for them.

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    Post  LMFS Thu May 05, 2022 2:47 am

    This is the interview with Zakharova that fascist presstitutes of ABC (Spanish journal) had no decency to publish. Good, that the Russian side reserved the right to publish on their own and show them for the worthless scum they are  Razz

    https://vk.com/@580896205-maria-zakharovas-censored-interview-with-spanish-media

    Nice read!  Cool

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu May 05, 2022 4:16 am



    Where the hell is Glenn getting his info??
    And what's with this cancer talk?

    A look into the American perspective
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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu May 05, 2022 4:27 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Where the hell is Glenn getting his info??
    And what's with this cancer talk?

    A look into the American perspective

    Glenn Beck is a shock jock who says the most shocking thing he can to inflame and excite as many people as he can. He isn't . . . No wait . . . he most certainly is every bit as batshit insane as Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper.

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    Post  Regular Thu May 05, 2022 4:31 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Where the hell is Glenn getting his info??
    And what's with this cancer talk?

    A look into the American perspective

    Please save me some time, I have no will to watch this Guy Fiery lookalike.

    Can you spare me 15 minutes and summarise what he has to say of value?

    Talk shows are least interesting thing for me, especially western ones
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 05, 2022 4:43 am

    Regular wrote:...No excuse for minimal procurement in what matters making BTGs overwhelming force. Some crowdfunding is embarrassing as local commercial companies are filling the gaps. No secure coms with Chinese walkie-talkies is not some Ukrainian propaganda, I am on TG group where people buy this shit and send to Russian (not DNR/LNR) units. What about NVGs and thermals? Shit is locally produced, apart from small drones. Russian civilians are doing lend-lease here...

    Radios, NVGs, thermals and all that are dirt cheap and getting number crunchers in Ministry of Finance to sign off on those would have been a piece of cake, they regularly pay for nuke subs so they would have loved to pay for something cheap for a change

    If radios, NVGs or thermals were not procured it was not because MoF wouldn't pay for it but because big wigs in the Military (in their infinite stupidity) didn't think they need them so they didn't ask for them


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 05, 2022 5:11 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    mr_hd wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:For Russia the problem lays not in losing some settlements but rather their manpower, they have very limited forces and each loss is a blow.

    Ukraine can afford to send much much more men to the front, if the russian force takes enough losses to the point it can not conduct proper battles anymore.

    That forces Putin to make a choice, give up or conduct a full scale mobilization.

    I suspect Ukraine hopes if they kill just enough russians that will force Putin's hand, as they probably think he will not risk serving backlash from Russian people going full-scale war mode.

    In the end, there is a path to victory that Ukraine can get, its a very specific and narrow point but its entirely possible.

    Fully agree and it is only path that Ukraine is following right now, so yes there is big danger for Russia, the longer conflict persist the longer risk is that Russia will need additional forces and full mobilization. Already that Russia needs to include paramilitary forces from Donbass and Chechens is clear sign of that. If fight continues of this intensity - tons of equipment and a lot of people are lost daily on both sides, in 2-3 months there will be some serious decisions needed on Russian side and very little good options. Very long and bloody conflict - years or even decades long is also realistic scenario.
    Some of you think that Ukraine has unlimited human pool. Ukraine has maybe the worst demographic situation in Europe. If attrition ratio favours Russia, the way it appears at the moment, there's no way they can win this war. Only way Ukraine could get a negotiated settlement out of this is if Russian politicians decide that losses are not worth it. All speculation atm.  One thing that works for them is that their leadership is willing to tolerate much higher losses than Russian. How will that resonate between soldiers fighting is another thing.

    Never said it was unlimited but they have far more bodies to use then Russia unless a mobilisation is conducted.

    And no one one knows atm how many men russia has lost vs Ukraine. again Ukraine doesn't need to kill all of them not even half, they just need to get a big enough dent which is entirely feasible.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 05, 2022 5:16 am

    End of the day there is no 80 percent or 100 percent in favor of this war, that's made up statistics and I'd challenge anyone to prove those statistics that do not come from a pro kremlin source.

    Russia can still loose, one can take in all the hope they wish that doesn't change facts on the ground it is unlikely sure, and it will greatly depend upon their own actions.

    But it is still within the realm of possibility however slim that maybe.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 05, 2022 5:28 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:End of the day there is no 80 percent or 100 percent in favor of this war, that's made up statistics and I'd challenge anyone to prove those statistics that do not come from a pro kremlin source.

    Russia can still loose, one can take in all the hope they wish that doesn't change facts on the ground it is unlikely sure, and it will greatly depend upon their own actions.

    But it is still within the realm of possibility however slim that maybe.

    It's well over 80% , and everyone in Russia at moment is pro Kremlin lmao

    There's no way for Ukraine to win anything

    They've lost 25% of their territory, and more than 50,000 men lost

    Russia will bleed hohols dry day and night like clockwork

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 05, 2022 5:40 am

    What most people don't understand is that this war is not just defined militarily

    But economically as well

    If you read into the occurrences lately

    You will see the Russian economy is strengthening , the ruble has appreciated to 60 per USD

    Not only this , but the payments made on debt obligations signify that Russian dollar holdings were always greater than 600 Billion

    Russia has an undisclosed war chest of foreign currency that no economist has a clue about

    Not only this but look at the US

    Trumps candidates have won primary elections. No doubt our SVR and FSB are working to ensure a favorable electoral result for us

    At the same time diesel prices in America have hit 5 dollars + , their interest rates got hiked heavily, and in general they will slide into recession as this drags on

    Russia has won the economic showdown

    And American support for Ukraine will dwindle as new factional fighting in the states increase

    Russia will move on Ukraine at the right time

    Right now wack a mole works perfectly while we prepare something for Americans

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 05, 2022 5:46 am

    The Americans exhausted their strength after COVID

    They started the war too late , and it gave them little time to pull off a fast victory

    Their time is measured in months as the midterms approach

    The US will be pulled off Ukraine kicking and screaming, not by RU military but by the SVR

    Once we swing the election , the economic devastation hitting USA will do the rest

    Jerome Powell announced layoffs, record interest rate hikes , and powerful inflation

    Again it's all part of the plan

    Note that factionalism is increasing in the US rapidly, the Supreme Court just leaked info about an important decision

    The US is on borrowed time

    Who will last longer? Russia in SMO? Or DNC for 2 more months?

    Once the DNC loses their majority position, the US war in Ukraine is over

    Then we can focus on military aspect again

    Never underestimate the Russian intelligence services

    And again the American system means the DNC will only ever get 2 years to pulloff plans before getting dumped for the other party

    So instead of 8 years, we saw American decision making window narrowed to 4 years, and then quickly to 2 years

    American decision making window will be every 2 years , as the political infighting makes it impossible for central power to hold on to anything for longer than 600 days

    This is why the Supreme Court is decentralizing the issue of abortion and other decisions

    And the governor of Florida has destroyed Disney world

    The Americans in general are close to the precipice

    Their greed and ignorance as well as lack of attention to detail in their own country is what sealed their fate

    The federal center is not holding

    The US is out of steam and gas


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    Post  caveat emptor Thu May 05, 2022 5:47 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:End of the day there is no 80 percent or 100 percent in favor of this war, that's made up statistics and I'd challenge anyone to prove those statistics that do not come from a pro kremlin source.

    Russia can still loose, one can take in all the hope they wish that doesn't change facts on the ground it is unlikely sure, and it will greatly depend upon their own actions.

    But it is still within the realm of possibility however slim that maybe.
    Your reasoning has other side as well. Where is a threshold of losses for Ukrainian soldiers? Surely, it us much higher for nationalist battalions and sone other units, but much lower for regular army and even more yet for reservists. 
    If war comes solely to attrition, probability that Ukrainians break first is much higher.
    Ironically, a lot of heavy lifting for war support in Russia was done by Ukrainians and their despicable treatment of Russian POWs. Also, western world as well. I believe that present demonization of everything Russian in western world is putting  Russian gov a lot of wind in the sails.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 05, 2022 5:55 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:End of the day there is no 80 percent or 100 percent in favor of this war, that's made up statistics and I'd challenge anyone to prove those statistics that do not come from a pro kremlin source.

    Russia can still loose, one can take in all the hope they wish that doesn't change facts on the ground it is unlikely sure, and it will greatly depend upon their own actions.

    But it is still within the realm of possibility however slim that maybe.

    It's well over 80% , and everyone in Russia at moment is pro Kremlin lmao

    There's no way for Ukraine to win anything

    They've lost 25% of their territory, and more than 50,000 men lost

    Russia will bleed hohols dry day and night like clockwork

    Alright then prove those numbers.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 05, 2022 5:55 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:End of the day there is no 80 percent or 100 percent in favor of this war, that's made up statistics and I'd challenge anyone to prove those statistics that do not come from a pro kremlin source.

    Russia can still loose, one can take in all the hope they wish that doesn't change facts on the ground it is unlikely sure, and it will greatly depend upon their own actions.

    But it is still within the realm of possibility however slim that maybe.
    Your reasoning has other side as well. Where is a threshold of losses for Ukrainian soldiers? Surely, it us much higher for nationalist battalions and sone other units, but much lower for regular army and even more yet for reservists. 
    If war comes solely to attrition, probability that Ukrainians break first is much higher.
    Ironically, a lot of heavy lifting for war support in Russia was done by Ukrainians and their despicable treatment of Russian POWs. Also, western world as well. I believe that present demonization of everything Russian in western world is putting  Russian gov a lot of wind in the sails.

    Propaganda only serves as a force multiplier in the most acute phase of crisis

    After that inertia takes over,

    Russia weathered the worst of sanctions and has come out on top

    The Ruble is stronger than at any point after 2014

    In Russia there is talk of the economic situation settling

    As for America the crisis has just begun

    The war in Ukraine is more than just a turf war

    It's about the end of the American liberal order

    The American news cycle has turned off Ukraine

    And has moved into an internal cycle

    That speaks volumes and you will see our government make very important decisions towards USA and Ukraine in the coming months

    It's more than just missile counts, tank offensive, or bombings

    This is much much greater than just the SMO

    We're talking about energy, currency, and trade

    Who will lead the US after this summer?

    Their foreign secretary has "COVID"

    It's already beginning of end

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 05, 2022 5:58 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:End of the day there is no 80 percent or 100 percent in favor of this war, that's made up statistics and I'd challenge anyone to prove those statistics that do not come from a pro kremlin source.

    Russia can still loose, one can take in all the hope they wish that doesn't change facts on the ground it is unlikely sure, and it will greatly depend upon their own actions.

    But it is still within the realm of possibility however slim that maybe.
    Your reasoning has other side as well. Where is a threshold of losses for Ukrainian soldiers? Surely, it us much higher for nationalist battalions and sone other units, but much lower for regular army and even more yet for reservists. 
    If war comes solely to attrition, probability that Ukrainians break first is much higher.
    Ironically, a lot of heavy lifting for war support in Russia was done by Ukrainians and their despicable treatment of Russian POWs. Also, western world as well. I believe that present demonization of everything Russian in western world is putting  Russian gov a lot of wind in the sails.

    it is entirely possible, but I'd need to see confirmed Ukie vs Russian losses and no one has those.

    Everyone here also thought the ukies would collapse in a week and that assessment proved accurate alright -sarcasm-

    Atm I do not think Ukraine will cave first, they might but unlikely IMO. The russians would need like 30 to 1 rates for that and I don't say any record of them pulling these numbers
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu May 05, 2022 5:58 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The US is on borrowed time

    Who will last longer? Russia in SMO? Or DNC for 2 more months?

    Once the DNC loses their majority position, the US war in Ukraine is over
    You are underestimating willingness for war of US establishment. There is a group of voters among both parties that wants US to exit never ending wars, but politicians from both parties are not at all different when it comes to war. Both are getting paid a lot of money by MIC and that will not change in near future. 
    In this particular case betting so openly on Ukraine, might provide a blowback in longer term. We will see if this administration has made a strategic mistake, but that's another story.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu May 05, 2022 6:01 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:End of the day there is no 80 percent or 100 percent in favor of this war, that's made up statistics and I'd challenge anyone to prove those statistics that do not come from a pro kremlin source.

    Russia can still loose, one can take in all the hope they wish that doesn't change facts on the ground it is unlikely sure, and it will greatly depend upon their own actions.

    But it is still within the realm of possibility however slim that maybe.
    Your reasoning has other side as well. Where is a threshold of losses for Ukrainian soldiers? Surely, it us much higher for nationalist battalions and sone other units, but much lower for regular army and even more yet for reservists. 
    If war comes solely to attrition, probability that Ukrainians break first is much higher.
    Ironically, a lot of heavy lifting for war support in Russia was done by Ukrainians and their despicable treatment of Russian POWs. Also, western world as well. I believe that present demonization of everything Russian in western world is putting  Russian gov a lot of wind in the sails.
    Atm I do not think Ukraine will cave first, they might but unlikely IMO. The russians would need like 30 to 1 rates for that and I don't say any record of them pulling these numbers
    30 to 1? You must be trolling right now.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu May 05, 2022 6:03 am

    Jamie Dimon: The Cold War is back and a recession is a real possibility

    For those who don't know Jamie Dimon is the ex banker CEO of JP Morgan Chase

    When such a figure talks like this, you listen

    "The odds of the U.S. going into a recession are rising"

    "During recessions a lot of people get laid off"

    This banker is saying the US is going into recession

    They're done with Ukraine , I give it until June or July


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