It's not true, it's the White Helmets turned up to 1000
Or what, the Russian forces were there for a month, everything was fine, they left, and then decided to shoot some people on the way out or shell the place from afar, and leave the evidence for Ukrainian forces to find and accuse them with?
Russia is calling a UN security council meeting over Bucha on Monday, and this is the right move. Let the Western powers put their money where their mouth is in regard to the accusations.
You misunderstood me. I didn't say they were killed by Russians.
There are multiple reports that those killed civilians were the ones who "cooperated" with Russians as there was a round-up of civies after Ukrainians came in. Allegedly, people who organized or even received humanitarian aid were punished.
It would explain why it took 3-4 days to find bodies...
Well yes you're right and it's just the latest betrayal, this time of co-operating civilians - in service of opaque political-military calculations. And it has just been taken advantage of in Bucha to accuse Russia of a massacre as the cherry on the cake.
Even when the US pulled out of Afghanistan in such a fit of haste, it made more effort to save the people it worked with from the coming Taliban. In Russia's case, it made offers but people didn't take the danger seriously, and Russia didn't make enough efforts to convince them that their life is on the line. Now those people are arrested or dead.
Russia has no chance of resolving the conflict on its terms with such leadership, but it's the leadership everyone is stuck with - so all there is to do is hope that mistakes are learned from and all the incompetents fired. The incompetents being the ones making up half the said military officer corps and political class. Unfortunately we don't have Stalin around to make an example out of them.
It's a mirror of the Great Patriotic War. Well really any big conflict Russia has engaged in. With the ones it won, there were typically f*ck-ups at the beginning as well.
I remember telling everyone here about how Russia never fixes anything until it steps on the garden rake.
Fire safety codes not being inspected seriously? Nah it'll be alright. And then a nightclub burns down and 80 people die. Only then, is this problem paid attention to. And it's the same pattern for everything in the country. There are only haphazard attempts to figure things out ahead of time. I was surprised that import substitution went so smoothly. At least they calculated for that one in advance.
Lesson learned I hope. No more withdrawals from anywhere where people have agreed to work with you.
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