Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9

Arkanghelsk wrote:You can't justify this fucking shit, it's clownish buffoon level

I have been here arguing against trolls for weeks

This shit is not defendable

Arkanghelsk wrote:The strike on Belgorod was icing on the cake

The monumental shit hit the fan

If the info war did not matter until now, the feints toward Kiev and Odessa now look like retreats and they bloody our noses as we do it

The population is raring for expansion of the war, but The leadership was inept at implementing it

The result could be disastrous if the next steps are not prosecuted with resolve , these blunders are epic scale

There is no excuse for this , any one defending it has no shame

I am 100% patriot, but Ukraine fucked us , and it's our leadership fault for not committing to this war

It is compounded by the half measures taken by the leadership

First was the landing ship, okay everyone watched silently, then medinsky bending over in Istanbul, and finally those mi24 destroying our shit like fucking aces

The situation is clear, being adaptive while having the means to destroy the enemy is incompetence

We don't have such luxuries right now

OminousSpudd wrote:It seems to me that a few of the fundamental linchpins to the start of the operation didn't pan out. The surrendering of the cities in the East, and the swift demoralizing and subsequent routing/surrender of Ukrainian regular forces would have made for a stellar operation, one that would have been talked about for decades to come. Obviously we know what actually happened. So now we're on Plan B; draw the UAF into the open through maneuver and demolish them, or as Scott Ritter put it, Big Arrow warfare.

This concern trolling, panicking over the different phases of the operation is pretty sad. No plan survives first contact.

Here's what I have gathered so far, for what it's worth: the UAF have suffered significant material and manpower losses. This is undeniable, there's endless amounts of footage to corroborate, + a lot more that we're not seeing due to Ukrainians being muzzled from filming their own losses, and Russians not filming Ukrainian losses due to the strict orders on cellphones (which is a nice contrast to 2015). However, there is pretty radical resistance, which I think plays the biggest part in the underestimation element, Azov/neo-nazi battalions are what have kept the regulars and the conscripts in line. Compare with Syria, where equally radical elements were dispatched through a whole plethora of ways, weirdly enough Al-Nusra/ISIS seemed more open to negotiation than what we've seen in Ukraine. It makes sense to me that Russian commanders were leaning on their prior experience in Syria, even Chechnya when dealing with the nationalist battalions.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Enough with the down playing of this

First the ukropians hit and sunk a fucking landing ship

Then they destroy our fuel depot

"OH but it was civilian"

I don't give a ****! TheY hit us!!!! This is embarassing for Russia! Because of gays in the Kremlin!

We should be leveling the fucking Ukrainians not talking to them in Istanbul!

OUT WITH Putin and the rest of the clowns in Kremlin, We need hardliners , these clowns have embarrassed us on the world stage

"We are disappointed in you"

WTF THEY HIT US ! HIT EM BACK

Smoothie, raevsky, and all the stupid covering up this embarassing shit

Bunch of clowns all over the place juggling on a cycle

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine denies attacking oil depot in Russia

"The Russian military, however, has said the attack on the civilian facility was launched by two Ukrainian helicopters"

This would be hilarious, if not absolutely macabre

JohninMK wrote:More on this. They probably just wanted to save the lives of their men.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on Thursday that he has fired two of his top generals, accusing them of being "antiheroes" and "traitors."

The two generals stripped of their ranks are Naumov Andriy Olehovych, former chief of the Main Department of Internal Security of the Security Service of Ukraine, and Kryvoruchko Serhiy Oleksandrovych, the former chief of the Office of the Security Service of Ukraine in the Kherson region.

"Today, another decision was made regarding antiheroes. Now, I do not have time to deal with all the traitors. But gradually they will all be punished," Zelensky said in his nightly address on Thursday.

The Ukrainian president warned that any other military officers caught violating their oath to the country will be punished. "Those servicemen among senior officers who have not decided where their homeland is, who violate the military oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people as regards (to) the protection of our state, its freedom and independence, will inevitably be deprived of senior military ranks," Zelensky said. "Random generals don't belong here!”

The Ukrainian president did offer any other details on what specific actions the generals took that led to their dismissal.

FROM THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER

Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine denies attacking oil depot in Russia

"The Russian military, however, has said the attack on the civilian facility was launched by two Ukrainian helicopters"

This would be hilarious, if not absolutely macabre

JohninMK wrote:Russian forces have almost completely destroyed the Ukrainian defense industry and are “finishing off” the civilian one, an adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky, Alexey Arestovich, claimed on Thursday.

Commenting on the most recent round of the negotiations between Kiev and Moscow, which took place earlier this week in Istanbul, Arestovich underlined that any “large-scale military aggression and peace agreement are always compromises between the sides.”

“Because both sides suffer losses. If you think that we do not suffer losses, then you are deeply mistaken. They have practically destroyed our military industry and in many ways are finishing it off. And in many ways they are finishing off the civilian one, deliberately destroying it,” he explained.

kvs wrote:
I think it is clear that there were NATzO officers overseeing the Azov terrorists.   Clearing them out would be a high priority for NATzO.
I am hoping that they were either captured or toasted.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Hitting afghanistan is not the same as Ukropian mi24s flying into belgorod and rocketing the **** out of infrastructure

The tochka falling on aircraft in taganrog was one thing, then came the rocket attack at Kherson destroying sophisticated helicoprters , then the landing ship sunk

It is incompetence of a level that is not justifiable

Arkanghelsk wrote:The strike on Belgorod was icing on the cake

The monumental shit hit the fan

If the info war did not matter until now, the feints toward Kiev and Odessa now look like retreats and they bloody our noses as we do it

The population is raring for expansion of the war, but The leadership was inept at implementing it

The result could be disastrous if the next steps are not prosecuted with resolve , these blunders are epic scale

There is no excuse for this , any one defending it has no shame

I am 100% patriot, but Ukraine fucked us , and it's our leadership fault for not committing to this war

It is compounded by the half measures taken by the leadership

First was the landing ship, okay everyone watched silently, then medinsky bending over in Istanbul, and finally those mi24 destroying our shit like fucking aces

The situation is clear, being adaptive while having the means to destroy the enemy is incompetence

We don't have such luxuries right now

Arkanghelsk wrote:all the clowns defending this look hilarious

Imagine the Pindos get their shit blown up

When iran hits a pindo base in Iraq its one thing

For ukropians to fly top gun into belgorod looks fucking funny

They could make a movie from that clip alone

Arkanghelsk wrote:I been here rebutting trolls for days and weeks

But you know what, I can't,  because I feel that it looks ridiculous for me to rebutt a troll like sieg if he came out with his bs now

Well I'd have to agree with him

Arkanghelsk wrote:all the clowns defending this look hilarious

Imagine the Pindos get their shit blown up

When iran hits a pindo base in Iraq its one thing

For ukropians to fly top gun into belgorod looks fucking funny

They could make a movie from that clip alone