Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

The Ghost of Russian Defence with another wall of text. lol1

Still as shameless with the very first quote response. You can only image reading the rest.

That has been the problem so far.... I am the west so listen to what I say and I wont bother paying any attention to what you say...

Well done Atlasclub, you repeat the mistakes of your masters... how long before they visit you over your accessing this enemy propaganda site?

Are they black SUVs parked across the street... have they been there for a couple of days?

Yeah, someone said it so it must be true, right?

100 dead is also rather very small for a fight in Europe's largest country.

Yeah, it aint going to fail. Stop being a bitch.

This is the only country in the region with a working IADS network of any kind... certainly not up to the standard of the Russian network or the network they provide for their allies, but orders of magnitude better than anything in any HATO country including the US of A.

How many soldiers did the Americans lose in a day in Iraq and Afghanistan?

How many cannon fodder locals were burned up on the front lines of their operations... who knows... they certainly didn't keep count.

This was a big failure. Pull back before you get full isolated like Cuba or Iran.

The west has been hardcore trying to achieve this for the last decade or so... and failing.

They likely wont even cut off Russian gas supply to Europe... but Putin might.

The Il-76 that looks like an Anotonov, wouldn't be surprised if they shot down another one of their own

Il-76 has a T tail...

I listened Mercouris analysis before the war and he said many times that Russia will completely "overwhelm" Ukraine military in a direct confrontation.

I'm not seeing it after three days of war.

Perhaps you should stop listening to their claims that they are holding the 200K Russians at the border and realise this is a much much smaller force than that cutting through a country the size that it is.

Russia isn't stupid, they know that the only real allies they have is its military and patriotic citizenry. India and China would turn on them in an instant if they didn't need Russia anymore.

I don't agree... They knew Russia has a veto and the knew extra votes for would be meaningless... they wont turn on anyone following international law... it is the western interventions for humanitarian reasons that are the real problem for the world.

Which of these would you prefer:
1. Russia gets defeated in a conventional war and Russia is finished for good as a world power?
2. Russia retaliates with nukes and game over for the world

Option 3. Russia clears the nazis from Ukraine and pushes their forces out of the Donbass and Lugansk and now other regions too and then withdraws to let them sort their own houses out.

If you think they can't do COIN ops ask a chechen or ISIS in Syria.

They gave Ukraine just to make Russia looks like a imperialist. It's a failed strategy and shows how much they care about their satelitte state. Poland, bulgaria, baltics should learn the lesson.

If they think they passed the rebuild bill to Russia they need to think again... Russia is not going to occupy the Ukraine.

Seems like Hungary is the only state holding out against kicking Russia out of swift now. Germany, Cyprus,Italy have all changed their position according to latest reports.

How do they intend to pay for gas?

Right now tensions are high and the west is eating up the Hohol BS propaganda.... when the situation is finished and reality sets in a few threats will be reconsidered... but I actually hope Putin withdraws from SWIFT in response to being forced to do this in the first place.

If the west had demanded Kiev followed through on the Minsk agreements this would not have been necessary.

Some years ago I peddled the idea of equipping all major russian airbases with fixes AD installations, like ships. A mix of Redut and Pantsir-M. This would have prevented this incident, beause a fixed installation can´t be send elsewhere (which was likely what happened at the base).

They appear to have hit one aircraft and it probably meant they located the launchers and dealt with the battery so I would say good job.

The Tochka-U is a mini Iskander... those base mounted grid fins are for manouvers to avoid interception during its terminal dive on the target... it would be a tricky one.

Nobody believes Russians anymore. You sweared by God 2 weeks long that you wont attack Ukraine.

Putin said invasion wasn't on the table to calm the Orcs down and prevent them doing something stupid... and then they said they were going to develop nuclear weapons... what were they expecting?

Like that Russian tank that crushed that civillian car with that old man in it for no reason?

That Russian tank was an SA-13 Strela-10 and was in Kiev before the Russians arrived suggesting it was a Ukrainian vehicle...

The Stinger manpads captured by the Soviets were found to be inferior to their own Igla manpads, and their performance in the Afghan War theater was grotesquely exaggerated.

They were effective initially, but tactics were developed to negate their impact on the battlefield... almost like the anti scud myth surrounding the Patriot PAC-2 which didn't shoot down a single Scud or modified Scud missile in Desert Storm yet was lauded as the saviour of the war.

The Soviets did increase their use of artillery during the Afghan war that led to more civilian casualties but the Americans claimed a win anyway.

Introduction of the Stingers was a desperate move because they had no effective way of dealing with the helicopters and were starting to change sides.

The Americans lost rather more helicopters in Vietnam without there being Iglas.

If Kiev regime is not Ukrainian then what it is?

Lots of Americans and at least one Georgian for a while...

Yes affcourse, and its not Russia attacking. Ukraine started the war by attacking Moscow and St. Petersburg.

You lost te war. It wil cost you every day a lot of blood, money, resources and international it will isolate you. All because Little Vlad loves the Soviet times from his KGB time.

The Japanese sided with the Nazis in WWII as well... their Samurai honour did not last long... they were war criming things hard and fast like the Germans pretty quickly...

I'm curious what his reasoning is on flip flopping. My assumption is that he is indeed hiding out in Lviv and is wanting to prolong this conflict.

Which suggests it is a bit one sided at the moment and he thinks a bit of extra time might make a difference.

What is Garry waiying to ban them ? I have nothing against keeping pro western people when they have respect for other memvers but those trolls are real dickheads.

Ban them for being wrong.... who actually honestly expected this Russian reaction... honestly...

Western intel were as shocked as we were.

Now Russia can reverse engineer them ,give some to china and iran so they too ,and
best of all , now they can find out , how to hack them ,to make those weapons to fail find its target ,
for better protection to their helicopters tanks and planes..

No point in reverse engineering them, they would be too expensive to widely deploy, but it would be good to hand them over to their MIC to test on IR protection systems and the various smoke and other grenades they use... this will likely be old stock so they could upgrade it to the optics they use to make sure it is a bit future proofed...

Please use the embed content option. All I see is a spew of html tags.

I think he is and the script isn't working which is why you see the meta code.

Now imagine if these outright traitors and fanatics were still in power, ffs

Would be different then because then it would be their idea and their ideas are brilliant.

The job in any democratic country for the opposition is to say the current party in power is doing a terrible job and making lots of mistakes... which is easy because you don't need to say what you would do in their place, just that what they are doing is wrong.

Looks like NATzO is going ahead to sanction Russia's central bank. How will this impact Russias 600 bln reserve fund?

Rather doubt Russia keeps its reserve funds in a western bank.

Seems they will freeze federal reserve's of Russian central bank like they did with Venezuela...

Can't believe Russia would keep its reserve funds in a western bank account.

And if they did I am surprised they never tried to seize it or freeze it before.

I must say I am disappointed with the way Russians have conducted this operation. Its taking way too long, they should have taken Kiev within the first 24 hours. Instead they are giving Zelensky ample time to post dozens of videos and tweets and he is fast turning into somekind of war hero globally.

How would making him a martyr help in this situation?

When they leave, whose hands will they leave it in?

It looks better if the country try and execute their leaders like Iraq did to Saddam...

I have disagreed with you countless times

But you are correct, this is blowing up in our faces

His constant propaganda working on you?

You are damn turkroach but I have seen vids, mfs are walking with NLAWS around our guys

This is disaster that this is getting out on media

This is on Putin

You broke easily.

I agree to an extent but gotta keep calm. Whoever is in charge of this will have to be relieved and someone else takes over. Also, they need to work ok their soft power more as it's total shit (only Russians shown not Ukrainians).

Pretty sure they could care less about what the west thinks... it is time to stop worrying about that...

Ukraine's Army hardly has any professional. Russian convoys are being targeted by those U.S, U.K operatives embedded with the Ukranian ground force.

Russia should have first bombed the daylight out of Ukraine before sending in the ground forces. BIG MISTAKE on the part of Putin.

They live underground... you have to let them poke their heads out before you kick arse and take names.

Beacons of Democracy be such beacons... "I'm taking the responsibility as the national leader of Belarus". Who voted and who asked for you, bitch? Forming a govenment-in-exile at her own (not really) volition, at the opportune moment.
I wonder who pays for it and thus whos interest?

She can be leader of Belarus in exile in London... next door to Zelensky and Saakashvili on the other side of the road...

I don't think they will try it. Something tells me they aren't that stupid.

What tells you that is basic common sense, but they have been ignoring that little voice in their heads since joining HATO... they are big tough Mofos in HATO and Putin had better listen to them... HAHAHA...

Guarding Chernobyl together

Good to see some Orcs are showing some common sense... shame about their political leaders... but then they likely don't feel threatened I guess.

Germany delivering though Poland 1000 ATGMs and 500 Stingers to Ukraine.

Perhaps Russia should issue an ultimatum to those arming Orcs... maybe Gas deliveries might cease for the duration of the conflict...

Good, now Russia needs to intercept these as nice trophies.

Or blow up the supply as soon as they enter Ukraine.

Perhaps Russia should start to target weapon depots in Germany and Poland to prevent their use in this conflict?

and this is a major tactical mistake the Russians made, that boarder should have been cut off or at least attempted to cut it off at the very start

Good to know who supports the nazis though isn't it?

Why no bombers yet, even if not hitting the population centers, they can use su34 and su24 with gefest and drop from high altitude

Terrorists in syria has manpads too, I dont understand it,

Most of the Orc army is on the border of the new republics... bombing Orc cities would be counterproductive.

With all due respect poland I think is more well armed than Ukraine for being the wests favorite lap dog they got the latest GaN radar PACs, latest m1a2s with f-35s on order and in terms of cyber warfare their college institutions for the ICPC contests ranked them 4th and 5th place behind Russia, US(all Chinese lookng students) and China. Way more nationalistic than Ukraine and based on battle of hodow and flight squadron 303 they are natural born fighters like Russia having the same amount of Aryan r1a genetics. I don't think Russia will financially be able to handle an invasion on Poland alone after Ukraine. Russia will have to use their modern weapons for disposal.

They don't need to invade or occupy Poland... just eliminate it as a threat supporting Nazi Orcs.

Seems like the foolish Russian military command thought the Ukrainians wouldn’t put up a fight at all. Heads should roll for this catastrophic failure.

You say they are idiots and you want them to fail, but you also want them to be fired and replaced?

Don't know which side you are on?

Unlike you, the Russian military who actually have some skin in the game have not underestimated the 1000's of sociopathic nazis, western funded mercenaries and chechen terrorists that infests the country right now.

Every nazi and wahabbist they kill is good for the world...

I do agree, suspending fighting day 2 was a bad idea, screw negotiations

If they had surrendered unconditionally it would have been worth it...

That is a good question, but isn't one of the answers because western Ukraine is a hotbed of anti-Russian sentiment, and where most of the Maidanists and ultranationalists are from? If so, the reason for not blocking off the borders, something that really does need to happen, could be to limit casualties.

Literally to save those cities and towns and villages.... they would have to burn down those cities towns and villages....

Psychotic wibble.

Putin gave you their red lines and you threw them back in his face and said Nah...

Don't listen to words then they of course need to take action.

They are tough as nails, well trained and versatile but also vulnerable due to lack of armoured vehicles.

VDV are fully mechanised when they want to be...

You are new here and you have clearly not read the site rules. Please introduce yourself in the Intro thread, which is there for a purpose.

The rules clearly state that we should not repost cascades of comments as I have done above as an example. If you really feel you have to at least delete photos and illustrations as I have above. Neither is that difficult and not doing so is just being lazy.


THESE POINTS ALSO APPLY TO ALL THOSE LONGER TERM MEMBERS WHO SEEMED TO HAVE SLIPPED INTO BAD HABITS.

PLEASE STOP AS IT CLOGS UP THE THREAD WITH WALLS OF REPEATED POSTS.

Thank you for that reminder... people who post conversations after this post has been posted will start to get 1 day bans to start with... repeat offenders will get a 3 day ban...

Why do you think this is fake? the Kiev ghost reeked of BS from almost as soon as it emerged, but this does not.

Why does it not... do you think the Russians can't plan for real manouvers?

Even now he clearly tries to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible, precisely the opposite of his behavior in Syria which disgusts me.

What civilian casualties in Syria?

The civilians in Idlib are ISIS families and should be carpet bombed to cut off that gene pool, the rest of the Syrian operation the west was miffed at the lack of civilian casualties they had to make them all up.

Actually he is quite competant and knows his stuff. He has a good knowledge of russian weaponery.

But is he talking about an occupation force or is he talking about what this is?

Too many dead Russians this is bad. This was a poorly planned haphazard war. Obviously Ukrainians and Russians aren’t brothers anymore.

Like you care.

What's with the morbid obsession to show dead bodies?

A high body count proves Putin is bad and wrong and stupid so we make up the body count so we can pretend Putin is bad and wrong and stupid... we sleep better that way.

But let me tell you something, over 70% in Russia support this in latest polls.

So eat shit dumbasses.

Man, this forum has turned to shit.

The fact that the western propaganda is inflating the losses suggests they are likely very low... their reports that Russians are dressing up as Ukrainians to infiltrate the Orc lines suggests retreating soldiers that they want to get shot... this suggests a bit of panic doens't it?

And videos from previous conflicts and even airshows used to Prove how wonderful the Orcs are doing suggests they are probably not doing so good.

The joint management over Chernobyl suggests a level of cooperation not likely seen on any other battlefield.

Suppose the Russians crush all conventional Ukrainian resistance and install a puppet government in the next few days, I'm sure they'll enjoy bankrolling a damaged country that happens to be the poorest in Europe, with a population of 44 million many of whom despise the Russians now.

They are likely going to get most of their country back and I am sure Russia will have very little to do with them or the west.

You made them now they will be wanting to split into bits and join Poland or Hungary... who cares.

All that whilst trying to suppress an insurgency. But yes, isn't NATO evil, I'm sure they could have kept expanding ad infinitum and not drawn the line at Ukraine /s.

HATO sends weapons and gives loans and talks of sanctions. HATO is evil because they created this whole situation... the solution was Minsk but they kept blaming Russia for not following minsk when there was no obligation for Russia to do anything at all in the Minsk agreements... it was all Kiev and they fucked around and made all sorts of excuses all the while shelling their own people claiming they were invading Russians... well now invading Russians are shelling you bitches.

May I remind you that Ukrs and Russians are in fact one people, so smashing their skulls and harvesting their organs is counterproductive to what Putin et al wants.

Yeah like Americans and Aussies and Kiwis are still British...

"EU's UVDL just announced that a number of Russian banks will be removed from SWIFT, plus that assets of the Russian Central Bank will be paralyzed"...

SWIFT is a western system of money transfer. There are other systems already running just fine.

Take an helicopter, take an truck, or just jump miles away in total darkness in some ass end of nowhere and leg it to the target?.

The VDV are a fully mechanised force... where are their troop transports with a dozen very large parachutes per vehicle?

Global availability basically, somewhat greater speeds i assume and its free. And Russians cant do much about it, which is why they asked for it.

That is brilliant... that electronic traffic can be detected and geolocated so some trolls on the ground might start to feel some heat...

I had a look you need special hardware to use it. it is kind of a satellite internet connection, 0.01% of ukrainians will benefit

The western funded trolls will have the right equipment...

There is a conscious effort underplay their own capabilities for the international audience, the lack of drones is particularly strange.

Suspect the drones are operating with the moving forces to see the ground ahead and around, more for recon than for attack... they have their own weapons when needed.

Their doctrine is focused on parachuting men deep in enemy territory, a strategy military schools in the West teach is obsolete. They have been proven wrong.

But experts were telling us airborne forces are useless and will never be used in a modern war against a peer enemy and should be removed from the armed forces... you should do it with helicopters like the west does because obviously troops without armour are much more effective... somehow...

But I don't care. Either VVP pulls this off and somehow turns the odds, turns the Ukrainian population to the Russian side, grabs the criminals and trials them in front of the world.
Or more likely, he won't.

The right thing to do is the right thing to do.

Kiev was not going to fix itself, now at least the moderates have a chance against the western funded radicals.

What really eats me is being curious about what exactly motivated Russia to go full Rolling Thunder on international relations by starting this because they torched a lot of bridges here for decades to come and apparently entire government and political spectrum seems to be okay with it

I think they realised those bridges would never take much more than walking traffic, so when Zelensky started talking about making some tactical nukes to keep them safe Russia probably looked at the scientists and facilities they had and thought that was a clear and present danger and those plans for getting rid of the nazis next door got the dust blown off them.

On other hand all my Russian friends were supportive of DNR/LNR recognition, like literally all. But of this war...literally noone is fully supportive.

The orcs occupied half their territory... Russia had to fight Ukraine to get them to leave... and to do so you want to take down their Navy and Air Force first so they don't mount stupid secret surprise attacks, which also means taking down there air defence network, which is probably the most well equipped network in Europe.

The US normally spends more than 3 days taking down air defence networks before attacking.

Maybe a truth and reconciliation process to clear up the facts around the Ukrainian famine. It was clearly Stalins fault so there is no downside to pinning it on him. Everyone suffered under him

Yeah, Stalins fault... send the bill to Georgia...

Not sure how Kiev is going to fall within the next few days. They have repelled every attack so far and are hanging on pretty good. This is looking like a month long campaign at this point. Russia didn’t have enough troops to do this fast.

They don't have enough troops to do it at all... I suspect they are surrounding Kiev to control who gets in or out... targets inside can be taken out by remote control...

yes. There has been cases where Ukraine military is mistaken for Russians and fighting as ensued.

Encouraged by Orc claims Russians in Ukrainian gear were trying to infiltrate their lines... a measure to stop Orc forces retreating of course but double edged really and backfiring.

There's only so much the Russians can do with 190,000 men and when the Ukrainians will use all 400,000+. The size of their force compels them to use the tactics that they have used.

A large powerful force requires a bigger more powerful force to stop but if they try to amass such a force then air power and artillery would make short work of it.

Of course they will approach towns and ask for them to surrender and not shell the hell out of the place but a large force amassed to meet a Russian force on the move is fair game to obliterate.

Especially if it has nazi symbols on their uniforms...

Pretending that the west have any morals high authority ,or that cares about
civilian lives or have any freedom is not need , this is just a forum that a few people visit , and have zero influence over international public opinion.

This is a war the west has been pushing for a very long time now, either the Russians decided it is now or never or someone found a button to push that worked and made the alternative of doing nothing to no longer be acceptable.