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Who thought it was a good PR idea to allow these in your country? For what I can see Russian and Ukrainians threat each other rather well as POW. i have my doubt by these guys.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine
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Who thought it was a good PR idea to allow these in your country? For what I can see Russian and Ukrainians threat each other rather well as POW. i have my doubt by these guys.
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Morning everyone, happy but not surprised to see that the VDV is still holding.
It just goes to show the amount of bullshit that was going around on twitter last night..
It just goes to show the amount of bullshit that was going around on twitter last night..
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If they take care of Azov, it's all good.11E wrote:lyle6 wrote:SARDAUKAR!
Who thought it was a good PR idea to allow these in your country? For what I can see Russian and Ukrainians threat each other rather well as POW. i have my doubt by these guys.
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Mutual recycling of Kadyrov's and Azov fucks would be an excelllent scenario, to be sure.caveat emptor wrote:
If they take care of Azov, it's all good.
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It was not a miscalculation. It would have been easier had Russia done this intervention in 2014. But this way the US and Europe dumped billions on Ukraine just to stabilize the Ukrainian economy after it lost tens of billions in trade with Russia. Good luck ever getting that money back. At the same time Russia had a hard time adjusting to the loss in terms of Ukrainian products but it has built its own manufacture chain as a result and are now much more robust. The new systems are at least as good and often more modern and better quality than their Ukrainian counters.Karl Haushofer wrote:The more I have watched things unfold today the more I see this as a big miscalculation from Russia’s part. Even if Russia defeats Ukraine militarily Russia will be left with a burden of either occupying Ukraine or abandoning Ukraine and watch Ukraine enter the NATO.
The first big mistake was done by Soviet leaders who separated Ukraine from Russia to create this new nation.
The second big mistake was done in the 1990s and 2000s when the West entered Ukraine with their NGO’s while Russia did not do a thing to fight for its own interests in the country (well, except pouring billions of dollars to Ukrainian state coffins annually without getting anything in return).
Ukraine was lost to Russia because of Russia’s own mistakes and apathy.
Now it is too late. This invasion will just make Ukrainians hate Russians even more passionately. Russia can never win back Ukraine again.
And this unifies the West against Russia. Countries like Germany and France will now be camped tighter with the British and Americans.
People in Washington are celebrating now. Russia – even if it scores a big military victory against Ukraine – lost the big war. The war that matters.
Prove me wrong, if you can.
Ukraine will likely have to deeply amend its constitution. I would also not be surprised if they had to accept Russian army bases in their territory for like 20 years.
Ukraine was deeply corrupt and so this rupture with their industry was in a way liberating. They have dragged their feet on transport aircraft projects for so long that had Russia gone its own way they would have made systems much earlier and probably better quality. It is a money pit.
With regards to the EU the US had already firmly put them under their thumb a long time ago. While there were signs of attempts of independent foreign policy a couple decades back those floundered ever since the EU accepted the Eastern European countries. They are pure poison and persistently inject US politics into EU politics. Russia should avoid dealing with the EU as much as possible and try to undermine it if possible.
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Regular wrote:Backman wrote:^And that garbage. Read the MOD reports. Not Bandera twitter
https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1496910631630426113
Is this bandera twitter? My points still stand, if Russia would have employed such measures it would get exactly same international response as now, it would get same sanctions and it would be week closer to victory. Now, we will see.
hehe thanks for the link..
scrolling down ,found confirmation that the famous photo of the "first russian soldier death" in the ground ,with lots of garbage around , and old armored vehicle and very irregular uniform.. was not russian army soldier at all.. according to the source ,,the "death russians soldier" is in reality a photo of 2014 of donbass war , likely separatist pro russia ,that were ambushed..
-The Russian army don't abandon their fallen soldiers death bodies in the road to rot.
they are sacred and returned to their families.
- the russian regular army , move in big groups with heavy armor ,tanks and airforce support.
ukraine have nothing to stop a russian army advance in a duel with their army. the only way they have a chance to cause casualties to the russian army is with long range artillery strikes,or perhaps drones attacks , but if a soldier is killed,he will be recovered his death body by others and returned to his family .
No wonder it was said , in war the truth is the first victim.
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Boris Johnson desperately needs a war, else he has no other option to survive in office.Serberus wrote:From Australian Media
“ UK hints at military intervention
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson addressed the nation in a televised address on Thursday (local time).
He appeared to leave open the possibility of Western military support for Ukraine that goes further than the weapons and training provided to date.”
But at some point of time Russia will have to take this war to U.K and U.S. Start by sponsoring separatism in UK and US.
Else, Russia will have to continue to fight a war in Georgia, Chechnya, Ukraine and many other such place around its periphery.
No it doesn't. Singapore along with Hong Kong are top destinations for dodgy money transactions.lancelot wrote:Singapore still has bank secrecy laws in force. At least for now.
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ATLASCUB wrote:They were sent there, like others have been sent elsewhere. They clearly didn't know what to expect. In some areas there hasn't been resistance. In this one, in this case, there has been, and it's far out.
Russia clearly hasn't integrated their drones in their overall fighting strategy. That's an area the Americans are still far ahead in, and Russia should catch up on. It's very useful for situations like this. Drones are expendable. Doesn't matter how many the enemy takes down, in a situation like this, they'll get the job done of providing relief, as well as serve as a diversion. The Russian MIC is an extreme laggard in this regard.
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GarryB still writing walls of text of BS. At this point, disrupting the flow of the threads. Obviously, you shouldn't expect otherwise from shameless partisan hacks. Just remember all the BS that man typed, up to the day this operation took place. "Russia won't invade", "Russia doesn't need..." "Russia will do this..." .. the list is endless.
Watch the 180 backflips with delight. The man has absolutely no self-respect.
In all fairness none of us (with maybe one or two exceptions) thought that Russia would launch such a huge operation - but if you look at the aim of the ops it is clear that in order to secure the two newly recognized countries you will have to neutralize much of the opposition's military in order to stop the endless shelling and killing of innocent civilians. Obviously this is not going down well in the West but they had no qualms to illegally invade and annex large portions of Syrian territory to this day.
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teh_beard wrote:We see only what cellphone camera shows us, but from that - its very lax and lacking on security on our paras side.
As you can hear - those cars are not filled with friendly welcoming brother nationals.
It's clear to me that their primary objective is not to kill civilians.
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Observations :
( 1 ) No need to enter cities .
( 2 ) Only encircle / enter city , to remove / arrest Nazi .
( 3 ) Border control needed against Poland to ensure neutrality / demilitarization .
Jellyinsky better declare surrender .
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Vann7 wrote:Regular wrote:Backman wrote:^And that garbage. Read the MOD reports. Not Bandera twitter
Is this bandera twitter? My points still stand, if Russia would have employed such measures it would get exactly same international response as now, it would get same sanctions and it would be week closer to victory. Now, we will see.
hehe thanks for the link..
scrolling down ,found confirmation that the famous photo of the "first russian soldier death" in the ground ,with lots of garbage around , and old armored vehicle and very irregular uniform.. was not russian army soldier at all.. according to the source ,,the "death russians soldier" is in reality a photo of 2014 of donbass war , likely separatist pro russia ,that were ambushed..
-The Russian army don't abandon their fallen soldiers death bodies in the road to rot.
they are sacred and returned to their families.
- the russian regular army , move in big groups with heavy armor ,tanks and airforce support.
ukraine have nothing to stop a russian army advance in a duel with their army. the only way they have a chance to cause casualties to the russian army is with long range artillery strikes,or perhaps drones attacks , but if a soldier is killed,he will be recovered his death body by others and returned to his family .
No wonder it was said , in war the truth is the first victim.
I agree with your post in general, but just want to add to it. I think all this talk, by both sides, that every picture of a dead soldier is fake is a bit dangerous.
I have been keeping track on OSINT for claims of dead and wounded on both sides and even the ones where obvious propaganda makers are bragging about kills is most likely lower than actual numbers.
This is the most kinetic conflict I have seen with very modern deadly weapons used, the number of dead on both sides when the actual tally comes in will be very high on both sides.
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Rasisuki Nebia wrote:They're not using many of their new assets and even things they used for years in Syria, most of what im seeing is T-72's and old BMP's with some AD,MLRS, transport vehicles and iskanders etc..... Russia not using their full capabilities and saving it for later?
it makes sense.. to not reaveal to the west , too much information of russian capabilities..
so don't expect armatas t-14 there and russia zircon missiles in a country that have zero airdefenses and can be bombed even by flying above the zone to bomb and dropping shit. electronic warfare could be used at specific cases.. the less russia can do the job without using their best hardware the better.
the best armor ,is better to keep it for the defense of moscow , because there are not so many. and they better prepared to survive anti tanks missiles.
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kvs wrote:Backman wrote:
I worked in Northern Alberta for 7 years with mostly Ukrainians. It's little Ukraine over there . They don't take it all too seriously. Not all of them are Banderites. They started joking that they were Russians now in 2014. They weren't boarding flights to Ukraine to "fight for my country" bruh
These Ukrainians are from the original wave of immigration before WWII. The Banderites are mostly in places like Toronto and cities in central Canada
(Ontario and Quebec). But unfortunately, the Banderites have brainwashed many of these Ukrainians along with the lie factory Canadian mass media
into drinking the pro-regime koolaid.
those banderites ,are now experiencing "The Canadian freedom" with those mandatory killer shots..
there should be a few of them aware of their mistake and wishing they werent in that concentration camp , called canada.
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Vann7 wrote:Rasisuki Nebia wrote:They're not using many of their new assets and even things they used for years in Syria, most of what im seeing is T-72's and old BMP's with some AD,MLRS, transport vehicles and iskanders etc..... Russia not using their full capabilities and saving it for later?
it makes sense.. to not reaveal to the west , too much information of russian capabilities..
so don't expect armatas t-14 there and russia zircon missiles in a country that have zero airdefenses and can be bombed even by flying above the zone to bomb and dropping shit. electronic warfare could be used at specific cases.. the less russia can do the job without using their best hardware the better.
the best armor ,is better to keep it for the defense of moscow , because there are not so many. and they better prepared to survive anti tanks missiles.
All valid points.
There is also the fact that in the real world outside silly games like war thunder I rather have a BMP-3 or a "terminator" driven by an inexperienced crew and squad attack my position then a BMP-1 with a competent squad in the back.
The real difference in war is not in the minutia of technical specs it is how the equipment is used.
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Thats not the point.Mir wrote:
It's clear to me that their primary objective is not to kill civilians.
A man in car can ram, can retrieve a weapon. And our paras approach them alone, turn back on them to radio the siuation to the command...
It just shows naivete perceptions about how we are viewed there and lack of COIN training in regular VDV.
As it was shown, our MP on the other hand actually does know how to deal with it.
In time they of course wlll get there, but I would have liked no stupid deaths of our regular troops until then.
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teh_beard wrote:
As it was shown, our MP on the other hand actually does know how to deal with it.
What MP video are you referring to?
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Thats not the point.
A man in car can ram, can retrieve a weapon. And our paras approach them alone, turn back on them to radio the siuation to the command...
It just shows naivete perceptions about how we are viewed there and lack of COIN training in regular VDV.
As it was shown, our MP on the other hand actually does know how to deal with it.
In time they of course wlll get there, but I would have liked no stupid deaths of our regular troops until then.
It may look like that to you but a checkpoint like that would/should include soldiers in different positions at the ready if the shit hits the fan. They should also have "stopper groups" in either direction hidden away from plain sight to stop any aggressor making an escape. These guys are in "hostile" territory so they should be alert.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine
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lancelot wrote:The Swiss bank system has been co-opted years back when they gave up on bank secrecy for US citizens storing their money there.LMFS wrote:Switzerland sanctions Russian banks, politicians
Something they didn't do against Hitler
It is fully under the US thumb.
Singapore still has bank secrecy laws in force. At least for now.
i will never get tired of saying this..
Putin did a cat·a·stroph·ic mistake by developing Russia ,with most of it economy dependent on business oriented , to third world economies in africa like nigeria and the republic of congo. that is exporting energy ,mining food with some weapons export.. this is the real problem with russia.
That by developing its economy-most of their income ,as if it was a third world banana republic ,
he transformed Russia into a extremely dependent nation to the west. dependent on their enemies
to modernize.. when russia do any major building infrastructure.. it is nato arquitechs what putin always hire. and by Russia depending so much to the western business , it made Russia heavily vulnerable to their sanctions.. the west cut russia most important business with europe with the stroke of a pen in paper with sanctions.
But had Russia had an economy ,that most of their income comes from very advanced high tech business ,media entertainment , bio engineering ,space tourism and exploration and free energy solutions inventions. Then Russia will had absolutely no need at all to get anything from the west, and so those sanctions will be useless , because russia will have been making a ton of money , in the high tech industry and entertainment too. so russia wars today ,is consequences of the 22 years of russia ignorance , not knowing how to compete with the west , how to challenge their influence and system. So pretty much now the future of russia will 100% depend on china. because Russia is not very developed business country. their business are mostly outdated ones that even third world nations like iran or venezuela can compete .
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Russian MPs in Syria. First real deployment for them as I understand.ali.a.r wrote:
What MP video are you referring to?
Nothing extraordinary, the usual basic moves of Russian road police (where this knowledge 100% came from), but enough to do it effectively and safely.
You need two men for a single car, of course.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine
Karl Haushofer Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:28 am
After a day and a half after the intervention has it been worth it for Russia?
Any estimates of Russian casualties so far?
And how about the aftermath? If Russia manages to do a regime change in Kiev how is Russia going to make sure that nationalists will not again take power in Ukraine?
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Still personally think this adventure is both costly and idiotic for Russia that will bring zero benefits and will end up discrediting Putin himself.
Any estimates of Russian casualties so far?
And how about the aftermath? If Russia manages to do a regime change in Kiev how is Russia going to make sure that nationalists will not again take power in Ukraine?
EDIT:
Still personally think this adventure is both costly and idiotic for Russia that will bring zero benefits and will end up discrediting Putin himself.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine
Karl Haushofer Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:35 am
The mistake was made in the 1990s and 2000s when Russia let Ukraine slip away. Now it is too late as a whole generation of Ukrainians have been raised as nationalists.
It could be different if this was a country of 4 million people, but this is a country of 40 million people.
Unless Russia's leadership knows something that the rest of the world doesn't this whole invasion seems totally pointless.
It could be different if this was a country of 4 million people, but this is a country of 40 million people.
Unless Russia's leadership knows something that the rest of the world doesn't this whole invasion seems totally pointless.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine
magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:36 am
magnumcromagnon wrote:rigoletto wrote:There was a DDoS attack against this site? It have been out for long time, in this case please consider a telegram channel as backup.
It seems like all the English-Russian sites were hit by it. Information control, just like all the social media sites banning all pro-Donbass media, but War Gonzo has seemed to slip through the cracks!
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Of course there will be no casualty figures until it all done.Karl Haushofer wrote:After a day and a half after the intervention has it been worth it for Russia?
Any estimates of Russian casualties so far?
And how about the aftermath? If Russia manages to do a regime change in Kiev how is Russia going to make sure that nationalists will not again take power in Ukraine?
And for aftermath there two ways - either regime change and another dumbass attempt to keep non anti-Russian government there, or dissolution and partial annexation, while still keeping resulting, say, Galicia, down, demilitarised and neutral. I.e. take the tastiest bits, then japan landlocked rest for half a century.
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@ Karl
Ukraine is Syria mark II . Partition . Along the River , as before . That is why NATO went to Lviv . Saying in effect " we get the West , you the East . " The great problem
With this , is that it only kicks the Can down the Road . Their children will have to fight and die ! Since their parents , were busy elsewhere .
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