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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:10 pm

    The authorities of the Kherson region announced the loss of control over the Genichesky district.


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13826175

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    Post  EkErilaz Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:11 pm

    Regular wrote:Ukrainians are also reporting Russians surrendering and showing pictures of POWs

    I am more concerned regards VDV troops that are being surrounded in the woods near Kiev. There are no relief forces there yet.

    There are killed and captured in war. Even if someone showed a picture of  a battalion of killed  and captured soldiers it would not affect the outcome, there are hundreds of thousands of people involved. My take is that all those types of pictures are more or less propaganda by both sides anyway.
    With the resources we have we will never be able to get more than a slight hunch of what is happening on the ground. The massive amount of desinformation deliberately released by both sides have completely crippled any attempt of OSINT analysis. And that is why it is done, they want to be the ones in change of the narrative within their own bubble.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:22 pm

    Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine – Kremlin
    The Kremlin presents Kiev with two demands

    https://www.rt.com/russia/550505-kremlin-presents-demands-kiev/

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:24 pm

    Accurate information is hard to get.
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    Post  teh_beard Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:26 pm

    RTN wrote:Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine


    Lol kek naaah.

    Lack of any kit bar an older AKs, sholder patches slapped on chest velcro, sweater(!) under dress shirt, and that general physical appearansce...
    I can tell you - they could stink from sitting in a swamp for two weeks since joint manuevers, but to not shave, thus look like this after half a day of whole campaign - thats not gonna happen.

    A dress up, or LDNR militia with few noice easily available patches put on them. Latter, I think, is more likely.

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    Post  EkErilaz Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:27 pm

    I have been able to geolocate some of the footage from the helicopter assault. It looks like they used the wide parts of the Dnieper north of kiev as an ingress rout and tuned west just before the hydro electric plant at Vyshhorod. most likely low level in the middle of the river, to avoid MANPADS it is several kilometers wide to the north and more like a lake. That is where the Mi-8s fire the flares when shot at by manpads at least.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:28 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Ukraine claims a Russian platoon surrendered. I don’t read Ukrainian. And it’s a Twatter link

    https://mobile.twitter.com/i_army_org/status/1496875390320660488?t=LVqYQBt5aFNpxpHk2Je_Sw&s=19


    Nah, I think he meant the Azov hohols are in Moscow and have raised the Bandera flag over the Kremlin.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:30 pm

    teh_beard wrote:
    RTN wrote:Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine


    Lol kek naaah.

    Lack of any kit bar an older AKs, sholder patches slapped on chest velcro, sweater(!) under dress shirt, and that general physical appearansce...
    I can tell you - they could stink from sitting in a swamp for two weeks since joint manuevers, but to not shave, thus look like this after half a day of whole campaign - thats not gonna happen.

    A dress up, or LDNR militia with few noice easily available patches put on them. Latter, I think, is more likely.

    These are Ukrainians. Not Russian armed forces. You can tell, even CNN filmed Russians in Ukraine. Modern gear and all.

    RTN not being honest, neither is regular but he gets a pass as he is just posting whatever he finds.

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:31 pm

    teh_beard wrote:
    RTN wrote:Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine


    Lol kek naaah.

    Lack of any kit bar an older AKs, sholder patches slapped on chest velcro, sweater(!) under dress shirt, and that general physical appearansce...
    I can tell you - they could stink from sitting in a swamp for two weeks since joint manuevers, but to not shave, thus look like this after half a day of whole campaign - thats not gonna happen.

    A dress up, or LDNR militia with few noice easily available patches put on them. Latter, I think, is more likely.


    If the Russians were coming, they would have leveled all things Ukrainian military to the ground.

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    Post  Backman Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:31 pm

    Bitcointrader is really showing his colors. I thought he might be just critical of Putins handing of the situation the last few years. And supporting of this action. But he's shilling cheap retail propaganda. He still cant shake that Anglo superiority complex.

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    Post  franco Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:32 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Ukraine claims a Russian platoon surrendered. I don’t read Ukrainian. And it’s a Twatter link

    https://mobile.twitter.com/i_army_org/status/1496875390320660488?t=LVqYQBt5aFNpxpHk2Je_Sw&s=19

    The guy is wearing an Ukrainian uniform so nah!!!!!!!!!!

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:33 pm

    Backman wrote:Bitcointrader is really showing his colors. I thought he might be just critical of Putins handing of the situation the last few years. And supporting of this action. But he's shilling cheap retail propaganda. He still cant shake that Anglo superiority complex.

    Him and RTN.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:35 pm

    Never fascism again. No nuclear weapons in the hands of fascists!
    The US and NATO terrorists have to get this game ends now!

    Yes, it costs people's life. War is shit! But!
    Better now a fast hard solution or in 10 years come the fascists, the US terrorists and kill Russia through a Syria scenario.

    For 7 years, the terrorists have armed Ukraine, the fascists. If Minsk 2 had kicked off with feet. Have your own people killed with heavy weapons! Putin Wartne: Warranties and Solution Now or it ends here and my military speaks! They laughed and arrogant spoken of sanctions. Stop this **** now!

    The world would be in fascism! No, that must never happen.
    God protect people in Ukraine, protect Russia that it is strong enough once again fascism to meet the terror in this world and win!

    In memory of 1939 to 1945. Commemoration of Odessa 2015! Never again fascism and its terror!

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:35 pm

    South front are calling every death of a pro russian side..  "russian soldiers" , but there is no way to know that..  and actually looks the other way.. if anyone look at the first photo of a "russian soldier" his uniform is not the same one ,that the green guys used in crimea.. it was more a dirty cheap uniform.. and his armored vehicles was in very poor conditions , as if it was ukrainian taken from a scarp yard..  Russian army today use shinny new equipment and good shape uniforms.. all those first deaths.. including the first 2 captures.. of "russian soldiers "  looks more that they are mercenaries from donbass forces.. they don't have the regular russian army uniform. aside russian army will never leave behind russian soldiers to be captured. russian army move in big groups..   the only exception is special forces that works solo behind enemy lines .  Most of the claims i have seen appear to be ukrainians rebels in the side of russia ,because of the poor conditions of their uniform and vehicles.

    the russian airforce is providing close air support to the russian army and the russian army move in big groups ,so don't believe automatically any claims that some russian soldiers were captured and left behind.  That usually don't happen..  in syria even when russian special forces were encircle there was a plane in the sky covering them.

    Russian army have plenty of drones too to cover their land forces.. if one pro russian soldier killed..
    as the earlier picture , the russian army will not leave his body to rot in the road. simply it did not happen. They recover their body and either advance if they can or retreat..   ukraine army have no way to hold the russian army advance , if there is airforce and attack drones covering them. deaths are totally possible , for sure , but to leave a russian soldier body in the road.. is not possible. The deaths i have seen until now , does not match those of russian army with their bran new uniform and good conditions armored cars ,it had to be a mercenary group helping russia secure kharkiv or ukraine defectors or simply ukrainians soldiers killed by russian army.



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    Post  franco Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:37 pm

    War reporting rule #1 is that the first casualty of war is the truth. The #2 rule is that the fog of war is so thick, it takes time to get a clear picture.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:37 pm

    Surrender terms offered to Zelensky,

    He has said he will resist

    So phase 2 will begin shortly

    Heavier Russian forces coming

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:41 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    South front are calling every death of a pro russian side..  "russian soldiers" , but there is no way to know that..  and actually looks the other way.. if anyone look at the first photo of a "russian soldier" his uniform is not the same one ,that the green guys used in crimea.. it was more a dirty cheap uniform.. and his armored vehicles was in very poor conditions , as if it was ukrainian taken from a scarp yard..  Russian army today use shinny new equipment and good shape uniforms.. all those first deaths.. including the first 2 captures.. of "russian soldiers "  looks more that they are mercenaries from donbass forces.. they don't have the regular russian army uniform. aside russian army will never leave behind russian soldiers to be captured. russian army move in big groups..   the only exception is special forces that works solo behind enemy lines .  Most of the claims i have seen appear to be ukrainians rebels in the side of russia ,because of the poor conditions of their uniform and vehicles.



    South front is a crowd funded site, anyone who donates to them can become volunteer.

    I know this because a long time a go I donated to them, just once.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:42 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Quite frankly I’m surprised majority of Ukraine’s military is even attempting to put up a fight and hasn’t surrendered/deserted yet.

    Oh yeah, who would have thought?

    I don't know how many are fighting and how many have surrendered

    I know this is all a criminal act. I can't believe they made the decision to go in.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:43 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Quite frankly I’m surprised majority of Ukraine’s military is even attempting to put up a fight and hasn’t surrendered/deserted yet.

    Oh yeah, who would have thought?

    I don't know how many are fighting and how many have surrendered

    I know this is all a criminal act. I can't believe they made the decision to go in.

    He is lying. Units are abandoning left and right. Maybe rest are Mercenaries (volunteers).  Others are Azov dopes.

    You may believe it cause you proven what kind of person you are. Your upset Russia just rescued these two regions while you seemed OK with Ukraine killing people. You are definitely not a good person.


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    Post  par far Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:45 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Quite frankly I’m surprised majority of Ukraine’s military is even attempting to put up a fight and hasn’t surrendered/deserted yet.

    Oh yeah, who would have thought?

    I don't know how many are fighting and how many have surrendered

    I know this is all a criminal act. I can't believe they made the decision to go in.

    If Russian speaking people are being killed, for simply speaking Russian. It is not a criminal act to defend them.

    If that is a criminal act, than what do you call what the US does?

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:46 pm

    par far wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Quite frankly I’m surprised majority of Ukraine’s military is even attempting to put up a fight and hasn’t surrendered/deserted yet.

    Oh yeah, who would have thought?

    I don't know how many are fighting and how many have surrendered

    I know this is all a criminal act. I can't believe they made the decision to go in.

    If Russian speaking people are being killed, for simply speaking Russian. It is not a criminal act to defend them.

    If that is a criminal act, tham what do you call what the US does?

    He doesn't care. He is OK with Ukraine killing people, even his own kind. He hates his own people for actually doing something to finally put an end to this.

    Add him to the list who showed their true colors. Him, bitcoin, and RTN.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:48 pm

    Hes KPRF , he would have preferred giving Rostov to Ukraine

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:51 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Hes KPRF , he would have preferred giving Rostov to Ukraine

    My contempt for him is known. I'll leave it at that.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:53 pm

    No reason to be unpleasant. He has different opinion, but he sounds very disappointed and sad and doesn't spread malicious bs like some others do.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:55 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Hes KPRF , he would have preferred giving Rostov to Ukraine

    I would have preferred not to invade the Ukraine.

    I used to consider our rulers of having neither courage, nor imagination. Well they have courage, but still no imagination.

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