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    Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

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    Post  Isos Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:26 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:He went to get orders from masters before even meeting his own staff.  lol1

    Володимир Зеленський
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    Discussed the events of the last hours with @POTUS. We begin the meeting of the National Security and Defense Council. A conversation with @BorisJohnson is also planned


    He is looking to who will give him residency.

    lol1 lol1

    Actually US has already plans for him and his family. The closer they are the easier it is to suicide protect them.

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    Biden administration officials have discussed plans with the Ukrainian government for President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to leave Kyiv in the event of a Russian invasion, according to two people familiar with the discussions.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:28 pm

    Isos wrote:He went to get orders from masters before even meeting his own staff.  lol1

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    Are they going to play a two-dick piano concerto, with Joe as accompaniament?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:34 pm

    https://m.lenta.ru/news/2022/02/21/welcometorussia/

    Looks like Pashinyan is meeting with Putin, CSTO is getting ready it seems like to liberate the rest of the Donetsk and Lughansk oblasts

    CSTO peacekeeping operation would be the checkmate

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-post-soviet-military-bloc-says-it-could-send-peacekeepers-donbass-if-2022-02-19/

    Technically Donetsk and Lughansk could petition for CSTO intervention a la Kazakhstan

    CSTO could guard LDNR border as NAF move into Ukraine and clean up shop

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    Post  franco Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:39 pm

    Subdivision line: what Kiev is counting on in the Donbass
    And in which direction did the Ukrainian security forces concentrate the most powerful grouping


    Kiev sent its most combat-ready airmobile and tank units to the line of fire in the Donbass. According to Izvestia's sources in the unrecognized republics, three military groups have already been drawn up against the people's militia brigades of the DPR and LPR. The highest density of personnel and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is observed in the area of ​​Horlivka and Bakhmut. And while the evacuation of the population from the region to Russia continues, fire is being fired on the territory of Donbass. According to the authorities of the republics, reconnaissance and sabotage groups appear in the settlements - at least two clashes with them took place over the weekend. Under these conditions, military experts are not yet able to predict with absolute certainty the further development of the situation.

    As sources close to the military command of the unrecognized republics told Izvestia, the Ukrainian army has concentrated three groups near the borders of Donbass. The most powerful is deployed in the Gorlovka region north of Donetsk. The main forces of the landing troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are concentrated there. In particular, the 79th and 81st airmobile brigades, as well as the 25th airborne brigades, are stationed there. In addition, units of the 95th airmobile brigade are located here. The latter in 2014-2015 participated in the battles for the Donetsk airport - then Ukrainian propaganda called these fighters cyborgs.

    Units of the 1st and 17th separate tank brigades are seconded to the paratrooper grouping - they also participated in the hostilities in 2014. Also near Horlivka there are several artillery regiments armed with dozens of large-caliber barrels.

    According to Izvestia's sources, the second grouping is deployed to the west of Luhansk near the city of Stakhanov. In 2016, Ukrainian deputies passed a law renaming it to Kadievka, but the city is located on the territory of the LPR and Kiev laws do not apply here, for obvious reasons. Now, on the approaches to it, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have placed units of the 24th and 30th separate mechanized brigades.

    Another - the least strong - tactical group is located in the area of ​​​​the city of Shchastya, north of Lugansk. It consists of consolidated units, which include formations of airmobile and ground forces. In addition, Kiev deployed Smerch and Uragan multiple launch rocket systems along the line of contact, as well as divisions of Tochka tactical missile systems.

    At the end of last year, the Russian Foreign Ministry estimated the number of Ukrainian forces in the Donbass at 125 thousand people, which is half of the entire personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Since then, the authorities of the people's republics have repeatedly announced its regular increase. In mid-February, the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, reported that there were 150,000 Ukrainian troops near the demarcation line.

    Last Saturday, the representative of the people's militia of the LPR, Ivan Filiponenko, said that the Ukrainian army had again received reinforcements. On February 18, a group of servicemen of the 57th and 79th brigades, trained in the use of Swedish NLAW anti-tank systems and American M141 RPGs, was sent to the JFO zone from the 184th training center of the National Academy of the Ground Forces, he said.

    - It is possible that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing for a quick operation like the Yugoslav one - to cut off the republics from each other and from the border with Russia with powerful blows, - military expert Vladislav Shurygin believes. - Such an operation implies the encirclement of cities, it is unlikely that they will try to storm them. Rather, they will cut off from the infrastructure, impose it on all sides and try to starve it out. But they can count on such an operation if there is no Russia behind the DPR and LPR. Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are rather trying to arrange a fairly large-scale mess, but not to transfer it into a large-scale war, so that Russia would not have a reason to send forces to help Donetsk and Luhansk. Kiev's DRGs are provoking the DPR and LPR to start active operations. It is important for them to receive a retaliatory blow - this will allow Ukraine to say that they have been subjected to aggression, and they themselves are not to blame for anything.

    According to the expert, Kiev is trying to solve three issues at once with its actions. Firstly, it is possible that the Ukrainian authorities need a conflict that would "nullify" the Minsk agreements. Secondly, they need to understand what to do next with the Donbass. And, finally, to fulfill what the US and NATO are asking for - to give rise to the imposition of large sanctions that have already been prepared, Vladislav Shurygin suggested.

    Saboteurs in the city

    The situation on the line of contact in Donbass escalated on February 18. The Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) reported heavy shelling by Ukrainian security forces, including heavy weapons systems. Also, artillery strikes were carried out on roads and railway lines connecting the republics with Russia.

    According to Izvestia correspondent Vitaly Trushnin, who is in Donetsk, the night from Saturday to Sunday was the loudest in the city. Local residents were forced to listen to the cannonade: “Hundreds of people stand on balconies with smartphones, record gigabytes of video, then choose the loudest moment and put it on the Web.”

    On February 19, according to the DPR authorities, several settlements were shelled. In particular, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired at Kommunarovka, Zaitsevo, Belaya Kamenka, Leninsky and Tavrichesky. On Sunday, shelling was recorded in several districts of Donetsk at once. In the LPR on Saturday, Raevka, Donetsk, Veselaia Gora, Debaltseve and Sokolniki were shelled.

    Two civilians were killed, and five houses were destroyed during the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Pionerskoye, the People's Militia of the LPR reported on February 20. According to them, in this area, servicemen of the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the support of artillery, crossed the Seversky Donets River and tried to capture the positions of the militia. The attack was repulsed without loss - units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were thrown back to their previously occupied positions. It is worth noting that the clash took place only 7 km from the border with Russia.

    Shells are exploding not only on the territory of the DPR and LPR - explosions thundered on the farms of Patronovka and Manotsky, as well as in the village of Mityakinskaya, Rostov Region. The Investigative Committee of Russia has already opened a criminal case on this fact. According to the investigation, one non-residential house in the Manotsky farm and one outbuilding in the Patronovka farm were completely destroyed.

    In recent days, Ukrainian sabotage groups have also become more active. On Friday, February 18, unidentified persons blew up the UAZ car of Denis Sinenkov, head of the People's Militia Department of the DPR, in the very center of Donetsk, in the parking lot near the government house. No one was injured in the explosion. On Thursday, DPR authorities detained Ukrainian agent Anton Matsanyuk, who was involved in the car bombing. He admitted that he followed the first persons of the republic and transported explosives and weapons to the territory of Donbass. On the morning of the same day, a group of saboteurs attempted to blow up ammonia storage tanks at the Stirol plant in Gorlovka. The guards of the enterprises managed to disrupt it, one of them was injured.

    On the night of February 18-19, powerful explosions occurred on the Druzhba pipeline in the LPR - Luganskgaz called them a Ukrainian sabotage. Early on Saturday, transformers at the Vasilyevsky pumping station were blown up, jeopardizing the water supply to five filter stations on both sides of the line of contact. The official representative of the People's Militia of the DPR, Eduard Basurin, said that the incident was a sabotage of the "Right Sector" (the organization is banned in the Russian Federation).

    On Saturday, near the village of Samsonovka in the LPR, a car bomb was discovered under a road bridge - the explosives were defused. The evacuation of the civilian population to the Rostov region is being carried out along the bridge, which was about to be blown up.

    On Sunday morning it became known about the detention of a sabotage group in Donetsk. It was blocked in one of the private houses of the city, after which, under cover of fire from an armored personnel carrier, it was stormed by the special forces of the DPR. During the arrest, the saboteurs offered armed resistance, wounding two special forces. According to reports, they planned to blow up electrical substations, gas pipelines and filter stations on the territory of the DPR.

    Pushed to the limit


    The aggravation of the situation in the Donbass is taking place under the loud statements of the Ukrainian authorities, designed for a Western listener. In particular, on February 19, at a security conference in Munich, President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky expressed confidence that the “occupied areas of Donbass” would return to Ukraine, “but only by peaceful means.” He added that Kiev consistently fulfills the Normandy and Minsk agreements.

    A day earlier, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov denied statements by the DPR authorities about Kiev's planned offensive operations. Speaking at the Verkhovna Rada, the minister said that the shelling of the demarcation line in Donbass is a provocation by the Russian Armed Forces, which is used as a pretext for a full-scale invasion. Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny even said that the authorities of the DPR and LPR use the evacuation of citizens to escalate the conflict.Assessing the flow of such statements, the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov noted on February 20 that Moscow, on the contrary, calls on Western partners to reason and Russia is the last country in Europe that would like to pronounce the word “war”. At the same time, the situation on the line of contact in the Donbass is now strained to the maximum, and any minor provocation can lead to irreparable consequences, he stressed.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:42 pm

    heads up, U.S airforce on the move from Poland, V-22 and two Super Hercules have departed and seems to be on the way to Ukraine.

    Zelensky's evac flights?. who knows? Wink.

    https://www.flightradar24.com/2ae5ac42 V-22
    https://www.flightradar24.com/RAGGY81/2ae5a5d2 Hercules #1
    https://www.flightradar24.com/125759/2ae5a926 Hercules #2

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:47 pm

    Great. 21st is gonna be the century we reverse the debacles of 11th century.

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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:04 pm

    Russia ready to show what true de-communization means for Ukraine - Putin

    "Now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call de-communization. Do you want de-communization? Well, this quite suits us. But you must not stop halfway. We are ready to show you what genuine de-communization means for Ukraine," Very Happy

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:06 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Great. 21st is gonna be the century we reverse the debacles of 11th century.

    Hope you are right and that the price will not be too big.
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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:08 pm

    "The Soviet Ukraine emerged as a result of the Bolshevik policy, and even nowadays it can with good reason be called Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Ukraine. He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by the archive documents, including Lenin’s directives regarding Donbass which was literally squeezed into Ukraine,"

    Laughing lol!

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    Post  auslander Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:09 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia ready to show what true de-communization means for Ukraine - Putin

    "Now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call de-communization. Do you want de-communization? Well, this quite suits us. But you must not stop halfway. We are ready to show you what genuine de-communization means for Ukraine," Very Happy

    Somehow methinks the orcs will not like this, whatever few are still there tomorrow. I will not be surprised to see a couple 'spontaneous' explosions on the main orc gas line to europe.

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    Post  bitcointrader70 Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:20 pm

    Here come the sanctions. MAX PAIN

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    Post  auslander Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:24 pm

    Dawn tomorrow, Lughansk and Donetsk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB1CtLQ2ARg Notice what the band begins to play...the Hymn Sevastopol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJcnuZB4Xt4

    Auslander, with my complements.


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    Post  PhSt Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:24 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Here come the sanctions. MAX PAIN

    Then there will be no reason for Russia to restrain their actions, time for Russia to take all of Ukraine as collateral russia attack
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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:25 pm

    Putin instructed to provide the Russian armed forces with the functions of maintaining peace in the DPR and LPR
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    Post  Finty Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:35 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Here come the sanctions. MAX PAIN

    Then there will be no reason for Russia to restrain their actions, time for Russia to take all of Ukraine as collateral russia attack

    Wibble. You can't be serious?

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    Post  Urluber Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:37 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Now imagine if China turns on Russia as well, and they and the West all declare Putin a violator of international law and new Saddam Hussein

    Well. Don't say it can't happen What a Face

    I don't see any good to come from this. If it's a pressure tactic, it didn't work. If it's a bluff, time to call it off has passed. If it's real, then what next? Restart of civil war in the Ukraine?

    Difference is that Russia is de-facto one of the leading powers in the world. Iraq was not and is not and most likely won't be.
    Bit more self esteem, please.

    But anyway, China is not going to do that. They are at point where they need to take the next step to become the top dog. Growing inside the western system is nearing its limits for China. I'm sure they know it. USA won't let China rule the UN, IMF etc. even if they would denounce Russia.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:39 pm

    Finty wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Here come the sanctions. MAX PAIN

    Then there will be no reason for Russia to restrain their actions, time for Russia to take all of Ukraine as collateral russia attack

    Wibble. You can't be serious?

    It's pretty much that

    US and EU only have one sanction package remaining and if they pull the trigger on that then there's no reason left for Russia to softball anything anymore

    If someone charges you a ticket for the game you might as well buy beer and hit the stadium

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    Post  Maximmmm Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:44 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Here come the sanctions. MAX PAIN

    Visiting Russia again in a month, gonna spend all the money I can afford buying local shit. F%^k sanctions. Twisted Evil

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:49 pm

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:52 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Here come the sanctions. MAX PAIN

    Visiting Russia again in a month, gonna spend all the money I can afford buying local shit. F%^k sanctions. Twisted Evil

    The only sanctions that are left are: swift and Nordstream 2. NS2 isn't important as the gas is being diverted via power of Siberia 2. Next is SWIFT. If banned from SWIFT, expect Boeing, Airbus, Telsa and nearly anyone that uses Aluminum, Titanium and other metals to go near bankrupt cause prices will skyrocket as most comes from Russia. Oil and gas will skyrocket too further destroying Europe's economy. Outside of that, handful of people and maybe no iPhones in Russia. Woopy. They get Huwawe as they have facilities in Russia. They got access to others. Guarantee samsung won't stop selling in Russia since they got facilities there too.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:56 pm

    This seem to escalating slightly. There was video footage of a burning BMP but sputnik has since removed it ????

    Russia Recognises Donbass Republics' Independence

    https://sputniknews.com/20220221/russia-recognises-donbass-republics-independence-1093241178.html

    Russian Military and FSB Prevent Illegal Crossing of Border by Sabotage Group From Ukraine. Five members of a Ukrainian sabotage group have been killed by Russian troops and FSB border guard forces after attempting to illegally cross the Russian border, the press service of Russia's Southern Military District has announced.
    The incident was said to have taken place near the border between Ukraine and the Russian region of Rostov.

    Monday's incident was at least the third time that the escalating conflict in the Donbass has spilled into Russia in the past 48 hours. Earlier in the day, the FSB reported that a projectile fired from the Ukrainian side destroyed a border patrol outpost in Rostov. No one was hurt in that incident.

    https://sputniknews.com/20220221/russian-soldiers-border-troops-prevented-illegal-crossing-of-border-by-sabotage-group-from-ukraine--1093234085.html

    Shoigu says that Ukraine could arm Tochka-U complexes with tactical nukes. Russian Defense Minister Shoigu: Ukraine has much more capabilities in nuclear weapons than Iran or North Korea, there are technologies and specialists, plans to abandon nuclear-free status are dangerous


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Now imagine if China turns on Russia as well, and they and the West all declare Putin a violator of international law and new Saddam Hussein

    Again, not one of your best posts.

    1.) Saddam Huessin never had a nuclear triad, if they would of never done jack shit to him if he did. The West is collectively losing their shit over the potential of small swarming drones, imagine if Saddam had swarming P-500's/P-700's/P-1000's in large quantities and in sufficient numbers?

    2.) VVP is a absolutely loved by the PRC's leadership, and that also holds true for the citizens of the PRC. The Wallstreet Journal reported back in 2015 that a poll of Chinese citizens that was held in regards to their general attitudes towards VVP, and it was shown that VVP has a '90%' approval rating amongst the general Chinese population.

    Let's not even talk about how valuable Russia is towards OBOR, or pipelines, or the Arctic Sea Route being superior alternative to the Suez Canal and the Straits of Malaaca. While were talking about the the Straits of Malaaca and the Americuntski's cryptic threats to China,  Russia out of nowhere answered those cryptic threats with the development of shipping container weapons.......no doubt with a 'wink' and a 'nod' towards the PRC's leadership.

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    d_taddei2 wrote:This seem to escalating slightly.

    Russia Recognises Donbass Republics' Independence

    https://sputniknews.com/20220221/russia-recognises-donbass-republics-independence-1093241178.html

    Russian Military and FSB Prevent Illegal Crossing of Border by Sabotage Group From Ukraine. Five members of a Ukrainian sabotage group have been killed by Russian troops and FSB border guard forces after attempting to illegally cross the Russian border, the press service of Russia's Southern Military District has announced.
    The incident was said to have taken place near the border between Ukraine and the Russian region of Rostov.

    Monday's incident was at least the third time that the escalating conflict in the Donbass has spilled into Russia in the past 48 hours. Earlier in the day, the FSB reported that a projectile fired from the Ukrainian side destroyed a border patrol outpost in Rostov. No one was hurt in that incident.

    https://sputniknews.com/20220221/russian-soldiers-border-troops-prevented-illegal-crossing-of-border-by-sabotage-group-from-ukraine--1093234085.html

    Shoigu says that Ukraine could arm Tochka-U complexes with tactical nukes. Russian Defense Minister Shoigu: Ukraine has much more capabilities in nuclear weapons than Iran or North Korea, there are technologies and specialists, plans to abandon nuclear-free status are dangerous

    If you watch the video Duran did I posted, they mention how Russia used the claim by Ukraine as an advantage. In reality, everyone including Shoigu knows Ukraine doesn't come close to having the ability. From my understanding, most who did have left nearly 15 years ago or longer. They may use nuclear waste material which is bad but yeah, beyond that, they cannot processes Uranium into Plutonium.

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