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    Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:52 pm

    Scorpius wrote:The Federation Council approved the request of the President of the Russian Federation on the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation outside the national territory. This is an official permit for the entry of troops into the territory of the LPR and the DPR, obtained as a result of a legitimate procedure in accordance with the laws.

    Does this include Syria and other places as well?
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    Post  Krepost Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:58 pm

    Guys, stop spreading BS. Read the news properly please.

    NS2 is not cancelled.
    Its certification is just suspended.
    "Germany will put an immediate halt to the certification of the Russian-backed Nord Stream 2 pipeline", Chancellor Olaf Scholz has announced.

    NS2 is not needed now anyways since gas is flowing through:
    - NS1
    - Turkish Stream
    - Yamal line (through Belarus & Poland)
    - Ukraine

    NS2 will become important only after 2024 when Russia plans to stop or drastically reduce flow through Ukraine.
    Negotiations with the West will start before the above date and possibly gas will flow through NS2.

    Otherwise:

    https://www.rt.com/business/550254-europe-gas-price-double/ wrote:EU will soon pay double for gas – Medvedev

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    Post  Broski Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:58 pm

    If the Germans are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the dick as far as NS2 is concerned, that's their choice. But tell me, what happens to Germany's manufacturing base when they no longer have access to cheap energy?

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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:The Federation Council approved the request of the President of the Russian Federation on the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation outside the national territory. This is an official permit for the entry of troops into the territory of the LPR and the DPR, obtained as a result of a legitimate procedure in accordance with the laws.

    Does this include Syria and other places as well?

    ?

    The 2015 intervention in Syria was authorized the same way. There is no new blanket foreign adventures authorization.

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    Post  Krepost Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:03 pm

    It's Official.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/550281-putin-donbass-recognition-borders/ wrote:Moscow has recognized the Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk with the borders they've had as regions of Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters at a press conference at the Kremlin on Tuesday.

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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:18 pm

    DW and other NATzO propaganda outfits were yapping yesterday about Russia sending in its military into "Ukraine".
    This has not happened. In fact, what has been seen is the movement of BMPs, tanks, trucks, with "Z" marking towards
    the Donbass that will likely be handed over to the LDNR forces. Russia will likely render remote assistance via EW and
    maybe missile strikes.

    It makes sense to push back the Kiev regime forces to the borders of Lugansk and Donetsk. They are way too close
    to the high population density part of the republics and can engage in terror shelling at their leisure. The only down
    side of this is that the LOS on the Oblast boundaries will be much longer and harder to defend. But this is a two way
    street since the regime will also have to stretch out its forces.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:47 pm

    Now that LDPR is recognised , then any help can arrive at their request . No need to strike from Russian soil , with expensive stuff . As GarryB said a sniper can take care of an anti- Tank nest with ATGM . No need even for artillery , that can be detected via satellite . Better use suicide drone against armour . Easier logistics too .Also removes  justification for Ukrotards , to fire from own soil into Russia . I hope the 60,000 refugees will now return , as very important for morale . Reconstruction and security important tools , to win hearts and minds .

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    Post  LMFS Tue Feb 22, 2022 11:52 pm

    The way I see it, and of course it will be interesting to follow the development of the events, is that, should the ukies or parts of their army/foreign terrorists & mercenaries / special forces/nazi battalions not comply with the warnings given by Moskow and move away from the contact line to never come back, and that is a likely outcome, Russian armed forces will have the duty to suppress them, and that suppression can be extended plausibly towards the second echelon or beyond, de facto allowing the NAF to recover territory and stablish buffer zones around population centers and infrastructure, further, the bigger the Ukrainian resistance to withdraw from LOC. This can be done without a major presence of Russian troops (or maybe with no troops at all), since recognition of the republics allows Russia to provide them with major military support and arm them to de facto Russian standard, while PVO and VKS ensure air superiority over the area. Again, should the ukies refuse to comply and fight back with drones and tactical aviation, they will only grant the VKS ample training opportunities against somehow obsolete yet real world targets like combat aircraft, SAM sites, air bases etc. In case anyone was forgetting about it, there are a lot of new weapons to test and Ukraine is far closer and more convenient grounds than Syria angel

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:08 am

    Putin and cadre want the administrative borders.

    Some Russian MP's got no idea what's going on, or are chicken shitting their pants and believe the recognition goes as far as the contact line demarcation.

    Sanctions are in full swing. From all Russian MPs, to NS2, to "entities" yet to be revealed, to financial access to Europe, etc.. more measures, and the details will obviously come online as they're "voted" upon.

    Ukrops are not making a forward move into the Donbas (they're not biting the casus belli), which means they may well pose and act as a sacrificial lamb in defending the current demarcation and contact line (aka "Ukranian sovereignty"). Perfect for selling the Russian aggression narrative if Russia decides to evict them to the administrative borders.

    The Operation is so far a Georgia 2.0 OP, of which the U.S/UK have clearly gamed well (they actually let it out loud they preferred this scenario - and baited for this scenario). Where it goes from here is another thing entirely.

    Germans and French fall in line. If the reunification of Germany and ascension into NATO after the collapse of the USSR, on what should have been a neutral state wasn't a wake up call about where Germany's loyalty lies, I'm not sure what you'll ever need to grasp the reality.

    Moreover, the Ukrainian puppet regime is as much a German project as it's an anglo-saxon one. The Union State and Eurasian Economic Union can not move West!  "Over their dead bodies".  You can believe that.

    Keeping a zombified Kiev alive is the play. Nothing much in the chessboard has changed except a necessary measure on a chunk of Ukranian territory was taken by the Kremlin, which has resulted in economic and political costs for Russia. Kiev, as a client regime is still alive - as the anti-Russian project that it's. As such, Russia has not yet put an end definitively to the anti-Russian project in historical Russian lands, and as such it will continue to linger, doing what it's meant to do... serve as a source of tension, destabilization and staging area for anti-Russian activity.


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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:17 am

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:22 am

    par far wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    par far wrote:

    Nord Stream 2 was already canceled, it was canceled in Munich by the EU cocksuckers, that is why Russia recognized the two republics.

    As I say, build a pipeline to kaliningrad and call it a day. Eventually the Germans will be begging for gas and sell it below market but still massive amounts above normal.

    What you are saying is the best thing for Russia, Nordstream 2 was a German project.

    I think it is good to cancelled, it frees up Russia to make moves it could not make.

    Russia already made money with the pipeline, thanks to western "experts" like Scholz, Habeck and Beerbock ( Wink ).
    unshaven
    Maybe the german government is already working with Russia??? Laughing

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:23 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    RTN wrote:Let's hope Putin doesn't execute his intelligence chief.


    How could VVP 'execute' him when there's been a moratorium on capital punishment in Russia for over 25 years you grotesquely misinformed greasy goofball sandwich! pwnd

    He was talking about including Donbass into Russia and Putin reminded him that this was not the question.

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:25 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:The Federation Council approved the request of the President of the Russian Federation on the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation outside the national territory. This is an official permit for the entry of troops into the territory of the LPR and the DPR, obtained as a result of a legitimate procedure in accordance with the laws.

    Does this include Syria and other places as well?

    Only Donbass.

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:26 am

    Broski wrote:If the Germans are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the dick as far as NS2 is concerned, that's their choice. But tell me, what happens to Germany's manufacturing base when they no longer have access to cheap energy?

    But they can have access to cheap energy, just resettle the production to Russia. Cool

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:27 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:Great. 21st is gonna be the century we reverse the debacles of 11th century.

    This is only but one small, longgggggg overdue step, on what should be a series of steps that end with the takeover of Kiev, to end the fucking nightmare. Will it be more costly now in 2022 than in 2014, were Putin and cadre had put resistance to the coup right then and there? Absolutely... it's gonna be more costly. But it's necessary. Considering the stakes, the players involved and the moving pieces.... mistakes will be made and are unavoidable. But the overarching objective is more important that hesitation... hesitation and inaction leads to defeat.

    Here is to hoping there is a massive second act coming to whatever shit the U.S/UK cook up. There is no turning back from this now. Russia has finally acknowledged its enemy in its full horror as during the cold war. This shit is about to go down. Russia has challenged the security of an American client state. The racket works if you can keep those within it in line. It ain't gonna go down easily.

    I don't see the regime in Washington acting like thinking that they have the strong hand militarily. Those things go hard on people when they consider you the behemoth. Block might crush down to s chaotic period that internal conflicts return as ghosts. Many want to befriend the winning army and truth is, since the second Chechen war, Russia has only victories and USA only defeats or debacles.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:31 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:Great. 21st is gonna be the century we reverse the debacles of 11th century.

    This is only but one small, longgggggg overdue step, on what should be a series of steps that end with the takeover of Kiev, to end the fucking nightmare. Will it be more costly now in 2022 than in 2014, were Putin and cadre had put resistance to the coup right then and there? Absolutely... it's gonna be more costly. But it's necessary. Considering the stakes, the players involved and the moving pieces.... mistakes will be made and are unavoidable. But the overarching objective is more important that hesitation... hesitation and inaction leads to defeat.

    Here is to hoping there is a massive second act coming to whatever shit the U.S/UK cook up. There is no turning back from this now. Russia has finally acknowledged its enemy in its full horror as during the cold war. This shit is about to go down. Russia has challenged the security of an American client state. The racket works if you can keep those within it in line. It ain't gonna go down easily.

    I don't see the regime in Washington acting like thinking that they have the strong hand militarily. Those things go hard on people when they consider you the behemoth. Block might crush down to s chaotic period that internal conflicts return as ghosts. Many want to befriend the winning army and truth is, since the second Chechen war, Russia has only victories and USA only defeats or debacles.

    The Americans don't have to move a single finger militarily and wage hot war on Russia. It has never been in the cards. This is an expendable puppet regime whose sole purpose is to hurt Russia and serve its geopolitical designs.

    It's perfect in doing so and it's following the script. The whole re-armament of "Ukraine" takes into consideration the fact that they will be wiped out by Russia in the eventuality of an actual invasion - it's not in doubt. The goal is simple, to provide and facilitating resistance, to bog down the enemy (Russia) and cause visible loses, should Russia decide to evict Washignton from Kiev by force, like Washington did to Russia in 2014. Two different beasts play this game, one however knows how to exact cost on its rival, the other, well, it's a fumbling mess of a player.


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    Post  Arrow Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:33 am

    Only Donbass. wrote:


    Not entirely Donbass, but only separatist republics within their borders. Putin has been allowed to use troops but has indicated that it is now an option.We'll see.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:52 am

    Pleased to see the tradition is being maintained  Laughing

    Not sure what the article says.

    Andrey Davydov
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    11h
    while all repost Kalashnikov on old Donbas borders pro-Kremlin Nezygar channel suddenly reveals @ZelenskyyUa
    stashed $1.2 bln in @GermanyDiplo
    Dresnder Bank in just 1,5 years from which he purchased villa in Miami for $34m. Yermak his chief of staff has  $56m @Tsihanouskaya
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:56 am

    Dow jones has plunged 600 points and Oil nears 100 per barrel

    Those some mighty fine sanctions ya got there

    clownclownclown

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:56 am

    From the commentary here I thought Z was "crying"...

    Failed to mention the details of course... crying with dollar bills.

    Oil price goes up, American producers benefit just much as Russian ones to recoup their loses. It will eventually stabilize as this is speculative trading. As far as I'm aware the U.S has no plans to sanction Russian crude deliveries and take them off market like they did with Venezuela or Iran. Even if they did they wouldn't have the same level of success as with those two countries, even if it actually results in lowering Russia's marketshare. It won't be a significant amount.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 23, 2022 12:58 am

    Maximmmm wrote:Biggest question now is the borders. The recognition doesn't describe them and it seems like the republics are talking about the original borders of the regions. Will we actively push the Ukr troops back though?
    Imho now is definitely the time to do it, it seems like Kiev and Washington have no idea what to do right now. Good to seize the initiative.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:00 am

    Arrow wrote:


    Not entirely Donbass, but only separatist republics within their borders.  Putin has been allowed to use troops but has indicated that it is now an option.We'll see.

    Not completely clear yet. If they decide to go for the whole oblast Ukraine will operate scorched earth so the militia will have to block the roads at their 'to be new' borders.



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    Russia. ⚡⚡The head of the Duma Committee on the CIS Kalashnikov (KPRF) said that the LPR and DPR will be recognized within the borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions

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    Russian Duma on LPR/DPR BORDERS: "LPR/DPR currently occupies less than what they believe their borders are, but how these borders will be restored is not provided for in this agreement. What the LPR and DPR will do for this is no longer our decision ... we'll see how it goes on.”

    MAP: Red area is the territory Of Donetsk and Lugansk currently under control of Ukrainian armed forces — which Russia states they’ll recognize as independent territory of the LPR & DPR. — those are the true oblast borders of LPR/DPR


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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:11 am

    Ukrainian army deploys five Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems in Donbass — DPR militia

    https://tass.com/world/1408391

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    Post  Finty Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:14 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Arrow wrote:


    Not entirely Donbass, but only separatist republics within their borders.  Putin has been allowed to use troops but has indicated that it is now an option.We'll see.

    Not completely clear yet. If they decide to go for the whole oblast Ukraine will operate scorched earth so the militia will have to block the roads at their 'to be new' borders.



    Victor@vicktop55·11h

    Russia. ⚡⚡The head of the Duma Committee on the CIS Kalashnikov (KPRF) said that the LPR and DPR will be recognized within the borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions

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    ASB News / MILITARY〽@ASBMilitary·11h

    Russian Duma on LPR/DPR BORDERS: "LPR/DPR currently occupies less than what they believe their borders are, but how these borders will be restored is not provided for in this agreement. What the LPR and DPR will do for this is no longer our decision ... we'll see how it goes on.”

    MAP: Red area is the territory Of Donetsk and Lugansk currently under control of Ukrainian armed forces — which Russia states they’ll recognize as independent territory of the LPR & DPR. — those are the true oblast borders of LPR/DPR


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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:17 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Putin and cadre want the administrative borders.

    Some Russian MP's got no idea what's going on, or are chicken shitting their pants and believe the recognition goes as far as the contact line demarcation..

    This wasnt some MP with no idea. It was deputy foreign minister Andrei Rudenko who stated this. And was later clarified on by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

    What you will likely find after some agreements and time that it will eventually extend to administrative borders if Kiev knows what's good for them, and hopefully without force. But there seems to be a lot of politicians saying different things.

    https://sputniknews.com/20220222/foreign-ministry-moscow-recognises-dpr-and-lpr-within-borders-where-republics-exercise-their-powers-1093264860.html

    https://sputniknews.com/20220222/russia-recognises-dpr-lpr-within-borders-in-which-they-proclaimed-independence-kremlin-says-1093265194.html

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