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    Post  nomadski Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:08 am

    Looks like KVS was right about a false flag . Here the extremists have put Nazi sign on this drone , to fool us into thinking that Nazi Germany has attacked ! So Russia goes to war with Hitler !  It is a cunning disguise !  Where is Nazi Germany on the map ? ,...............Hmmmmmmmm............need a time machine ...stewie has one !


    Lol .


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l77sq3Fgkrg

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 09, 2022 2:40 am

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    Kremlin says 'French assertions that...Putin had promised...Macron that Moscow would not carry out new military initiatives around Ukraine for now were "not right". A French official said Putin had made the pledge during long talks in Moscow

    Smelled like bullshit from the beginning, so I'm not surprised.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:36 am

    Here's a thought. If someone threatens me in a pub and their friend throws them a knife/gun, that friend is basically as guilty as the first one.

    So whats the difference if the EU and US send the Pukraine the arms to attack Russia?
    Especially with everything else - the Nazi coup in 2014, the NATO expansion etc.

    I think the fact Putin and gayboy Macron sat at a huge table suggested Putin didn't take too kindly to the lying poison dwarf.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:31 am

    A total clown show. Instead of Russia getting "legally binding security guarantees", Macron walks away with some guarantees of his own.... sunny 6D Chess...

    Ahhh please... that would be like Putin crowing about getting hard guarantees that the US wont invade Fiji in the next year... they don't want to invade Fiji...

    Russia does not want to invade the Ukraine... there would be no point.

    But if they did, now would be a good time to make Micron look small.

    Completely undermining Russia's public threat posture! ..........." asymmetrical, military ..Bluff, cough, bluff...technical measures" Can't even handle keeping a good poker face!

    Liar.

    Russia never threatened to invade the Ukraine.

    The only mention of Russia getting involved directly in the Ukraine was said by Putin who said if Kiev invaded the separatist regions that Russia will respond with force and kick them out.

    Most western media outlets claimed that was proof of the aggression of Russia... Rolling Eyes

    Peskov hurried up to damage control afterwards.... lol1 lol1 "NO DEAL!" "NO DEAL!".. What a fucking disaster! Can't make this shit up!!!

    Putin has said all this time they are not going to invade the Ukraine.... nothing has changed... except it is starting to sink in the thick western skull that Russia is not interested in invading and occupying the Ukraine.

    The U.S was right to drag it out.... easy! easy!... just watch the Russians trip over themselves.

    All they have done is drive up the price of gas and improved the profit margins of Gazprom.

    At this point, a false flag actually provides clarity and sanity. No lol1 Begging for it!

    False flag events are irrelevant... Russia was always going to get the blame for any attacks no matter what happens, but HATO needs to understand that Russia is not going to muck around... their bases in Ukraine will likely be destroyed and the Ukraine as a working system will likely be seriously damaged and the west is going to have to go in there and spend billions to fix it... unless it wants to abandon its new ally/meatshield.

    Bright Kremlin men at work ladies and gentlemen. In the U.S, a president would be eaten alive by opponents for less.

    Hahahaha... Lewinsky joke is in order here I suspect...

    Though there would have to be a lot of Whisky involved to get most women to do that... and I doubt he would even notice...

    As for Zelensky... the man is just asking for a bigger paycheck. Check Kolomoisky complaints of the current relationship .. they want to extract more from the Uk/U.S/EU.. not be on a fucking stipend. Obviously the U.S wants to keep the dogs hungry... holding the carrot up high if the dog behaves as he should... only allowing little bites when deemed necessary. It works when dealing with corrupt thieves and rats.

    The cupboard is bare mate... no snacks for the poodle are left... just expired shiny weapons, and Biden pretending to be hard core...

    Zelensky is asking to get replaced like Saddam... who was the hero that fought Iran in the 1980s, but risked an oil monopoly and threatened Saudi Arabia and so he became persona non grata very very quickly... but it still took them a couple of decades to murder him.


    I would hate to be a Russian spin doctor... wouldn't wish that job even on my worst of enemies! Jesus!

    Western politicians need spin doctors to make the shit they deliver look like icecream... the rest of the world generally doesn't need to sugarcoat stuff... it is only the west that can't handle how evil the west is... the rest of the world is already well aware... most have seen us in action.

    Why should Russia give GAYTO, the United Snakes and the Nazis any guarantees.
    They broke all the rules. They overthew the democratic pro Russian govt.

    By giving them guarantees regarding things they never intended in the first place it costs them nothing but the west in their paranoid delusions thinks they have thwarted the Russians from an invasion plan they were so sure they were going to go ahead with...

    Their bad advisers make them weak and useless... so that is a good thing really.

    Here's a thought. If someone threatens me in a pub and their friend throws them a knife/gun, that friend is basically as guilty as the first one.

    And that is why Russian forces training in Belarus are on the border with Poland and not the border with the Ukraine...

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    Post  Backman Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:33 am

    Funny comment from Twitter

    We need a reductio-ad-Chamberlainum law to go with Godwin's Law.
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:49 pm

    As expected. The landing ships have now arrived in the black sea. This is also militarily a landing in Odessa now possible. Almost all military building blocks for a satisfaction operation in Ukraine are available.

    Should Putin leave the military free hand so they are ready.

    Sanctions and image are nothing against fascists the bilateral 2025 send a dirty weapon on Moscow. NATO is pleased and Russia can not answer? Never. Better now 3/4 of Ukraine free to free the Westurkaine with OKVs velvet border with Poland. It's good.

    The country and topic ensures a per Russian government with per Russian Ukrainian military. Gas doubling fees double to strengthen household, gas price to 100 US dollars to warm and strengthen their economy.

    Theme done.

    Putin has to know how soft medvedev near Libya was with his stupid abstention. He has to secure Russia now for later. No Syrise Baderas Scenario 2035 to Russia limits which were upgraded by CIA and SAS.

    Clarify now, finish with funny!

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:15 pm

    Putin isn't the type to use Military force unless he believes is absolutely necessary and has an ultimate last resort, this attitude has bit him in the ass at times and also helped him at times. That's thing with matters like these, you're not always going to win and you're not always going to get your way all the time.

    As of right now, I don't see him invading, those military forces are there has intimidation nothing more.

    Occupying Ukraine all of it, will cost russian lives and lots of them. Tbf the Russian public doesn't really want war with Ukraine either.

    Putin isn't looking to gain more territory, now maybe in the future this will change and there will be a war but IMO based on all I know its very unlikely atm.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:35 pm

    Sure a full scale invasion , on a long term basis is more problematic . But there is a point to consider too , regarding the growing NATO and Nazi influence in Ukraine for Russia . I agree with those that are more cautious , with regard to Ukraine . Not recognising the LDPR officially , means Russia not painted itself into a corner , and avoids some of the fallout from possible intervention . However , if intervention aimed and surgical and quick , like recently in Khazakstan , then no real fallout for Russia and cause of the problem removed . Russia can justifiably target Asov , without destroying  other units . Or remove anti-Russian politicians , and anti-democratic clown coup elements , without touching others . All within a week . With huge payoff and minimal fallout . This way Russia can keep NATO noses , out of other people's underwear ! No war with Ukraine , but an eco-friendly and anti-virus operation against the Rats .




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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:44 pm

    That would be a terrible option if Russian forces do that, it will ensure one thing. Ukraine will enter NATO, you need to have rose tinted glasses to think Russian forces attempting to remove the government will go that way for them.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:46 pm

    There won't be any invasion in any case. There is nothing for Russia to do there.

    A little gunboat diplomacy works wonders though when convincing Kiev to finally piss off with their shelling of the rebel regions and take the peace process seriously

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    Post  nomadski Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:52 pm





    Ukraine already joining NATO . Out of the four options of full occupation , partial occupation , indirect military aid or doing nothing , then a surgical strike is best . Followed by periodic surgical strikes to take out UK/Yank special forces and Asov and coup organisers ! Ukraine then can not join NATO . Ukraine people safe from war and live in safety from ethnic conflict .



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    Post  flamming_python Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:20 pm

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    Ukraine already joining NATO . Out of the four options of full occupation , partial occupation , indirect military aid or doing nothing , then a surgical strike is best . Followed by periodic surgical strikes to take out UK/Yank special forces and Asov and coup organisers ! Ukraine then can not join NATO . Ukraine people safe from war and live in safety from ethnic conflict .




    Germany and France are regaining the initiative from the US and UK in the Ukraine

    Latest news conference of Macron and Zelensky has the former talking about the obligation of holding to the Minsk agreements.

    In the US meanwhile, while Scholtz was meeting Baiden, he refused to mention anything about cutting Nord Stream 2

    Basically Germany and France are willing to accept a neutral Ukraine and Georgia. Therefore Russia has no further argument with them, so long as they reign in Zelensky.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:48 pm

    My view is that Romania, Poland, E Germany etc should be the neutral ones.
    And the Novorossiya, Malorossiya should be part of the Ru world.
    Galicia can be a neutral area with Russian forces present on its Western border to prevent GAYTO weapons being slipped in.

    I was also wondering... is anyone from Russia in contact with the Azov filth/Galicia etc.
    Basically "you can have some form of autonomy in Galicia, or we kill every last one of you".
    And force them to accept the garbage flushed out of Malorossiya.

    Does anyone have any ideas how close the Pukraine is towards a more Russia-centric counter coup?
    Or even just a denouncement of the American shit stirring and a move towards proper Russia relations and federalisation etc?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:19 pm

    E Germany?...you mean East Germany? You do Realize East Germany isn't a thing....and this isn't the USSR anymore right?

    I doubt Putin can pull off a Coup at this stage, not feasible plan for him at all.
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    Post  jhelb Wed Feb 09, 2022 6:42 pm

    Isos wrote:There is clearly no room for diplomacy anymore. US and Nato have refused all their conditions and are even arming ukraine. If Putin back down they will hurry to send troop there and officially make it a nato state.

    Macron can talk all he wants russians made it clear only US can reach an agreement. Why ? Because US = 95% Nato.
    There won't be any war because Russia won't gain anything by annexing Ukraine whose condition today is at par with 3rd world Asian and African countries.

    Some european countries like U.K wants to see a full blown war between Russia and U.S because UK benefits from it. But to fight the US effectively Russia will have to open up fronts in Mexico, Canada and Cuba. Should be a situation 10X worse than the Cuban missile crisis. Only then the US will budge.
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    Post  Firebird Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:46 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:E Germany?...you mean East Germany? You do Realize East Germany isn't a thing....and this isn't the USSR anymore right?

    I doubt Putin can pull off a Coup at this stage, not feasible plan for him at all.

    Yep I do realise that Germany was reunified (or should we say East Germany was "annexed" hahah like the West says about Crimea)
    decades ago.  But what I mean is that, its in everyone's interests to have some sort of demilitarised buffer area.

    Unless of course you are the Americans who will happily watch everyone on the European landmass kill each other.


    Re coups...they can take many forms and come in varying degrees.
    I can't believe the non Azov battalion leaders are that anti Russia. Many snrs would be pro Russia for many reasons.
    Perhaps some battalions will refuse to fight Russia or give up or even change sides early on.
    The Nazis will do whatever the Americans tell them however.

    Are the police and security forces in the Pukraine all anti Russian? Again I doubt it.
    Even the Ukraine'[s oligarchs tend to have made their money with Russia or even IN Russia.
    I'd say the place is about 45-55 split right now. (Given that the Crimea and most of the  Donbass are already gone).
    And in language terms, a big chunk is Surzhyk not Ukrainian.
    Finally how many hohols really want to be cannon fodder for America?

    Tactical strikes all over, but esp vs Azov, solidify the Donbass. Maybe take areas srrounding cities like Kharkov and Kiev and the Ukraine as a rabid Nazi-American pisspit is basically not far off done for. Odessa could be a next step after that.
    Kiev isn't even that far from the borders of Russia/Belarus. Stop GAYTO weapons flooding in.
    Maybe a "military lite.. ish" option could have arguments in its favour.


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    Post  nomadski Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:41 pm

    Yes agree about military light in Ukraine , and gun-boat diplomacy heavy . These could take place simultaneously , since NATO is not leaving  Eastern Europe or Ukraine withdrawing forces from DLPR border or disbanding Asov or upholding  Minsk or .......NATO , may or may not station Nukes in Eastern Europe . However no active fighting is needed in Europe . Deterrence can be provided by Russia in Eastern Europe , using many different means . Such as short range Nukes near their border , or tactical Nukes in South America . Ukraine needs active response , since no amount of diplomacy is dissuading or disarming  ( by US/UK) of the extremists against ethnic cleansing .


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    Post  Isos Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:51 pm

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    They are bringing ships from the pacific and north there. He shouldn't be that optimistic.
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    Post  Firebird Thu Feb 10, 2022 12:21 am

    Something I've forgotten in all this.
    It was supposedly 50:50 Russians vs hohol Banderite trash before the coup.
    Since the coup of course Novorossiya and Crimea left.
    But the Pukraine has been an absolute joke under Western control.
    I suspect most of its residents hate the Nazi trash... and the increased poverty. But can't vote for a leader, Medvedchuk (or Yanukovich) who is in house arrest/taken asylum.

    Russia gambled with soft power and met with hard power that banned pro Russian parties etc.
    With hard power Russia can kill a few Nazis and at least return the pro Russian politicians to the folder, together with associated media etc

    Maybe it can't win over Galicia. But would it be THAT hard to win over Malorossiya ie Kiev and much of the Central region? Assuming the SEastern half of the Pukraine is pretty much on side already.

    Half the Pukraine was avoiding the military draft, so how could they not welcome Russian intervention? How could they consider voting against a proRussian party? Its overwhelmingly likely they will vote against GAYTO puppet parties.

    If America wants to promote "insurgents" aka terrorists in a freed Ukrainian region, then Russia can do the same back.
    Is promoting terrorism in Russia a wise thing for America to do? Surely not.

    But make to my main point, take away the tyrany of the Banderatrash, surely 70% + of most of the Ukraine would support liberation by Russia?
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:10 am

    jhelb wrote:
    Isos wrote:There is clearly no room for diplomacy anymore. US and Nato have refused all their conditions and are even arming ukraine. If Putin back down they will hurry to send troop there and officially make it a nato state.

    Macron can talk all he wants russians made it clear only US can reach an agreement. Why ? Because US = 95% Nato.
    There won't be any war because Russia won't gain anything by annexing Ukraine whose condition today is at par with 3rd world Asian and African countries.

    Some european countries like U.K wants to see a full blown war between Russia and U.S because UK benefits from it. But to fight the US effectively Russia will have to open up fronts in Mexico, Canada and Cuba. Should be a situation 10X worse than the Cuban missile crisis. Only then the US will budge.
    It's not about winning!
    It's about not being attacked from Ukraine from "terrorists" from Ukraine in 10 years. What you can do nothing.

    When Bandits from Ukraine create a Syrian scenario against Russia and throw them from there a dirty bomb on Moscow (Hypershall Made by CIA) or even a nuclear weapon then Russia can not immediately attack NATO immediately.

    Imagine the USA sparkling in 10 years with the fascists in Ukraine in the Crimea, in Rostov, in Belarus and Medvedev is again a coward, then Russia has lost.

    Therefore, a complete solution must now and contracts with the US are sound and smoke. It is nothing but the safety and survival of Russia at the game and therefore ...

    ... now gently in Ukraine pure, per Russian the military and politics make with a city holder and secure the boundaries through the OKVs. Creating facts and showing NATO, finish with funny.
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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:51 am

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    Funny in french "léche" which sound like Lech, his name, means lick lol1 .
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 10, 2022 5:18 am

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    Here's my updated list of military cargo flights to Flag of UkraineUkraine 15 Jan 2022 - 09 Feb 2022. The list now contains 31 flights.

    Of which:
    By the Flag of United StatesUnited States: 13 flights
    By the Flag of United KingdomUnited Kingdom: 14 flights
    By members of the Flag of European UnionEuropean Union: 1 flight (!)

    I hope I didn't miss any.


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