Western propaganda #2

It is amazing though... it seems Putin is all powerful and fools the 150 million Russians to vote for him every election and interferes with elections around the planet including but not limited to the US of A, and it seems the Russians annexed Crimea by force against their will with no bloodshed at all... makes you wonder why tiny Ukraine is taking so long... except if western propaganda got to them first.

Russia is sorting the Ukraine out so it really doesn't matter what your friend thinks and the all powerful HATO and the US seem to be unable to do anything except prolong the conflict and create more death and destruction.

Putin tried time and time again to sort this out without any bloodshed at all and the west pretended to care and cooperate but really they wanted bloodshed all along so really the only side that should be happy is the US and EU because they are getting exactly what they wanted all along.

The irony is that stat that was posted here before from a western source that suggests Russia earned 600 billion since the day the war started, and the west collectively have spent tens of trillions of dollars in lost resources, lost revenue, used up weapons and ammo that is going to take decades to replace and trillions of dollars because they are replacing it with new expensive stuff even if it was cheap cold war Soviet stuff they used up.

As BRICS expands the west is going to become less relevant and decline so it is going to have to reinvent itself or fade away.

At a fundamental level it is hilarious... just look at the history of journalists asking western politicians about elections in other countries and they will always give their view... they are especially keen to say that this election Russia can finally get rid of Putin or Iraq can get rid of Saddam etc etc, but even when Hilary and Trump were going at it the European leaders and officials who were asked the question said no doubt Hilary would win and America would be mad to vote in Donald Trump... and I suspect some Americans took that as a challenge.

Personally I think Donald won because no republican could vote for Hillary and half the democrats... well more than half... the ones that supported Sanders and got screwed by their system, probably also voted for Trump to raise a middle finger at Hilary, but that is my personal opinion... there was no evidence of Russian hackers but Sanders supporters throughout the democrat party had every opportunity of getting her dirty laundry and releasing it at the right time.... but of course lack of an independent media means such possibilities were never even considered. The Ruskies did it... the real irony is that I would rate her about as incompetent as Trump so for Russia it really didn't matter much which clown led the circus... the problem is that the writers writing their material are just not funny.

But in comparison listen to when western reporters ask Putin who will win and he will say it is not up to him to make any decision, he has no vote in the contest, it is up to the public of that country to decide for themselves and in other words you shouldn't let people with no say influence your decision.

He is the most democratic politician around and they hate him for that.

@Garry, kvs: "history" is com...pli...ca...ted.... *cough, cough*    

kvs wrote:Politicians and bureaucrats are nobodies who can be offed, blackmailed and terrorized.   Don't even try to claim that they are more
powerful than oligarch billionaires with private security and links to the underworld.    Government is intrinsically disorganized and
would be paralyzed with competition by nobodies in office politics.   Government is acting coherently because these lemmings
have the whip cracked over them.   The whip is not from the electorate.   The bimbo who got elected in Italy on an anti-immigration
flood ticket flipped around tout de suite once in office.

Congress critters get rich after holding office for a while (e.g. Pelosi, AOC, etc.) but they are dirt poor by oligarch standards and could
never afford to engage in true power games which operate through coercion.    I have never seen any of these lemmings instigate any
policy that could be identified as their own initiative.   They are always pandering to the oligarchy and all of their policies serve the interests
of this oligarchy.  

The US never left the gilded age and only had some polish introduced to keep the proles confused.   The pattern in all the ex-commie states
demonstrates that oligarchs pull all the strings.   They emerge on a time scale of a few years and not decades.  If the government was
this super-powerful entity this could never happen.

Sorry kvs, i just don't buy it, and never will, the notion that the political class that have full control over numerous three letter enforcement agencies and the military, being supposedly bought of by a bunch of oligarchal billionaires (who's billions can easily be seized, frozen or just done away with at the flick of the finger by the political class) somehow or other control the political class is to me, utter nonsense.
It nothing more than socialist/fascist propaganda, since these 2 always seek to usurp power by blaming "The Rich" as some sort of boogeyman that they must unify against, be they simply "the rich" or "the Jews".

They pander because "the oligarchs" need to pay them off, its protection money, for the government is nothing more than a giant mafia.
If you don't pay the mafia, well, Epstein didn't kill himself.

You see your patterns and i see mine.
You see the oligarchs, i see the politicians.

AlfaT8 wrote:

kvs wrote:Politicians and bureaucrats are nobodies who can be offed, blackmailed and terrorized.   Don't even try to claim that they are more
powerful than oligarch billionaires with private security and links to the underworld.    Government is intrinsically disorganized and
would be paralyzed with competition by nobodies in office politics.   Government is acting coherently because these lemmings
have the whip cracked over them.   The whip is not from the electorate.   The bimbo who got elected in Italy on an anti-immigration
flood ticket flipped around tout de suite once in office.

Congress critters get rich after holding office for a while (e.g. Pelosi, AOC, etc.) but they are dirt poor by oligarch standards and could
never afford to engage in true power games which operate through coercion.    I have never seen any of these lemmings instigate any
policy that could be identified as their own initiative.   They are always pandering to the oligarchy and all of their policies serve the interests
of this oligarchy.  

The US never left the gilded age and only had some polish introduced to keep the proles confused.   The pattern in all the ex-commie states
demonstrates that oligarchs pull all the strings.   They emerge on a time scale of a few years and not decades.  If the government was
this super-powerful entity this could never happen.

Sorry kvs, i just don't buy it, and never will, the notion that the political class that have full control over numerous three letter enforcement agencies and the military, being supposedly bought of by a bunch of oligarchal billionaires (who's billions can easily be seized, frozen or just done away with at the flick of the finger by the political class) somehow or other control the political class is to me, utter nonsense.
It nothing more than socialist/fascist propaganda, since these 2 always seek to usurp power by blaming "The Rich" as some sort of boogeyman that they must unify against, be they simply "the rich" or "the Jews".

They pander because "the oligarchs" need to pay them off, its protection money, for the government is nothing more than a giant mafia.
If you don't pay the mafia, well, Epstein didn't kill himself.

You see your patterns and i see mine.
You see the oligarchs, i see the politicians.

Look up the Dutroux affair and franklin coverup to see how it indeed does happen. Human compromise is a powerful thing homie.

You see your patterns and i see mine.
You see the oligarchs, i see the politicians.

What you fail to see is that without one then it doesn't work.

If it was only corrupt politicians then rich families wouldn't have a say... only crime bosses... and if it is only the rich that are corrupt how could they get anything done without buying off the key politicians on both sides... because if they only bought off one side then they would lose influence when their party was out of power.

If you are spending millions to make billions then doubling your bribe to bribe both viable political parties is the obvious and safe choice and if you don't do it your rivals will and you will be the loser unable to comply with the new regulations because they were formulated by a rival company to make their company richer and to add red tape and obstacles to you competing with them in this market.

Hahahahaha... one of them said no one tried to negotiate with Hitler... read a fucking book bitch.

But it is pretty clear why this war is ending on the battlefield and the EU and HATO and the US will have nothing to do with any agreement that is signed at the end of it.

GarryB wrote:

You see your patterns and i see mine.
You see the oligarchs, i see the politicians.

If it was only corrupt politicians then rich families wouldn't have a say... only crime bosses... and if it is only the rich that are corrupt how could they get anything done without buying off the key politicians on both sides... because if they only bought off one side then they would lose influence when their party was out of power.

If you are spending millions to make billions then doubling your bribe to bribe both viable political parties is the obvious and safe choice and if you don't do it your rivals will and you will be the loser unable to comply with the new regulations because they were formulated by a rival company to make their company richer and to add red tape and obstacles to you competing with them in this market.

Because if they don't pay off both sides then one of them will eventually come after them.
You need to pay off both mob bosses, or else.

They are not formulated by rival companies, they are formulated by the political class using your rivalry as an excuse, to capitalize on both of them.
The ones who profit most are the politicians, one with red tape into the government coffers and the other one paying directly into the coffers, in order not the get F'ed with.

Doesn't matter how much these companies bet, in the end, the house always wins.

https://www.newsweek.com/nuclear-bomb-map-shows-impact-if-b61-13-dropped-russia-1840606

Wow, it seems NATO is really getting desperate to start a nuclear war with Russia. Imagine NATO outrage and bitching if a Russian publication made a similar story about dropping nukes on Washinton DC or New York

They were using 8" floppies, not even 5 1/4" ones.


They replaced the floppies with solid state devices in 2019. It only took them, what, four decades to upgrade the thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/nuclear-weapons-floppy-disks.html

In a different direction...

Because if they don't pay off both sides then one of them will eventually come after them.
You need to pay off both mob bosses, or else.

No. If they don't pay off both sides of the politics then when their side gets kicked out someone else can pay the other group to change laws for them which will cost you contracts and business and lots and lots of money.

For a tiny amount, you bribe both sides so no matter who wins you get to change laws and create an environment where you can make more money... whether it is allowing you to fire people without warning for any reason you want, or to keep minimum wage low.

Politicians come and go... Microsoft and Apple and Google and Amazon will outlast all of them...

The ones who profit most are the politicians,

They get peanuts... the whole point of the bribe is to influence laws and regulations in their industry to help them and to make things harder for their rivals. This costs millions but they earn billions.

You don't give a politician a 10 million dollar donation to his campaign fund cause you like him... you give the 10 million to get him or her to vote against government regulation of your industry that stops you earning hundreds of millions each year. Government regulation is communism... but of course when you are making billions each year and prices are getting too high for customers and they start complaining your bribe no longer prevents regulation... what it does is it gets you seats at the table when that government decides on regulations for that industry... the official justification will be that you are the experts and you were there as an advisory role because politicians are not experts in that industry and we want to regulate it and not destroy it or make it uncompetitive with the rest of the world...

So your guy makes sure any rules are designed so your company can keep making good money and possibly other big rival companies become less competitive and make less... which will increase your share price... well worth the bribe.

Doesn't matter how much these companies bet, in the end, the house always wins.

It is the other way round... governments come and go but big business is making huge money through its bribes and corruption and paying out a pittance in bribe money.... in the US MIC the bribe is as simple as... you are in charge of deciding who makes the next US aircraft carrier... there is only one company that can manage the job anyway but if you make the terms so we make the most possible money on this contract in 10 years when you are ready to retire you can take my job.

I have my job now because 10 years ago I had your job.... remember me? You were under me and I recommended you for your current position inside the Pentagon... if you play ball with me when you retire in 10 years you can have my job because I don't want to work forever... like me you get your military pension, but the company i work for will give you my job which means having lunches and dinners on their tab with the pentagon officials in 10 years time that make decisions on big ticket items... you get free air travel, you get a salary of a million dollars a year and you can work for 10 years and then you pass it on to someone else, which means most of the time you get the contracts... they sell themselves because there is little to no competition in the US MIC... there are not dozens of companies competing for each contract.

It is all about who you know and not what you know but these guys usually know their stuff anyway...

But it is not called corruption either.

The lie factory media has clearly turned on the society that hosts it.

Ironically there is plenty of real racism going on right now... no need to make it up from the past...

So when you search for T-90M on Youtube, these disgusting NATzO propaganda trash is first to show up.

Russia needs to blow up a dozen more Leopard 2s, Challenger 2s, and Abrams tanks, and make sure that its recorded in HD and plaster the beautiful footage all over the internet for the entire world to see