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    Post  jhelb Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:02 pm

    Jews run the world. They shift wealth from region to region. So 1800s was Europe, 1900s was USA, 2000s will be China. The West will collapse (very soon) and China will be the supreme power. The intelligence agencies work as one to make this happen.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:29 am



    This video is a good example of how to blend truth with lies to weave a narrative.

    Lies:

    - Russia has centralized marine research laboratories and design bureaus unlike they claim. Typically centered around St. Petersburg. And naval procurement is centralized.
    - They claim the Admiral Kuznetsov is still in dry dock when it is being outfitted in a naval pier.
    - They claim that Russia cannot build gas turbine engines because they were imported from Ukraine and still hasn't built them despite trying to do so. When the Admiral Golovko frigate entered service with Russian gas turbines last month.
    - They talk about fires in Russian shipyards claiming this shows their lack of capability or corruption or whatever. While ignoring fires in US shipyards. Heck the US burned down a whole amphibious carrier.
    - They claim Chinese ships are "light". When they are anything but. It is just that China has a more balanced fleet than the US one which got rid of its frigates. The Chinese lack aircraft carriers but that is about it.
    - They claim the Karakurt lacks anti-air capabilities when it comes with naval Pantsir-M.
    - They claim the Russian submarine fleet played no role in the Ukrainian conflict. When it fired Kalibr cruise missiles and likely deployed mines. I would say it was one of the most successful components of the Russian naval effort there really.
    - The multiple ship designs, they claim are due to lack of centralized procurement, were meant to reduce risk in acquisition. It was perceived that the Admiral Gorshkov class would take too long to enter service and Admiral Grigorovich was pursued as a lower risk design.
    - They don't even mention the Project 20380/5 corvettes. Probably because they would look good. So let's ignore them.
    - Claims that Russia lacks the shipyards to build the Lider destroyer are bullshit. The Kirov class destroyers were built at the same shipyard that is building the nuclear icebreakers. The only problem is the shipyard is right now busy building icebreakers. This is the main reason for the delays in Lider in my opinion.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:17 am

    Kirov class destroyers
    Cruisers

    The multiple ship designs
    Well, if Russia had a big ocean to the left and another to the right of her, the Navy
    would propably procure only Frigates and Destroyers + Subs. But there are a lot of
    different types of Seas around Russia.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:44 am

    YouCrap is full of lunatic propaganda videos produced by retards pissing and shitting their pants with fear of Russia and projecting
    their excrement on it.

    If you have to lie in your "analysis", then you have literally nothing to say. Who cares about your mental issues and need to spread
    them around? Social media has become one enormous circle jerk of head cases.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:32 am

    I think it's pretty funny they have to cope this way when Russia has dealt with peer NATO weapons and continues to operate normally

    Meanwhile the Houthis have denazified the red sea

    I guess Americans should ask why they don't have free Healthcare after all

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 28, 2024 6:44 pm

    kvs wrote:YouCrap is full of lunatic propaganda videos produced by retards pissing and shitting their pants with fear of Russia and projecting
    their excrement on it.  
    If you have to lie in your "analysis", then you have literally nothing to say.   Who cares about your mental issues and need to spread
    them around?   Social media has become one enormous circle jerk of head cases.

    Bullseye.
    Sometimes I wonder if some of us are so paranoid. Honestly Laughing
    No, not everything surrounding us is a conspiracy and deliberated propaganda.
    Some of it is the one indeed.
    But most of it, is just some farts made by a random folk with inferiority syndrome considering himself a Napoleon or Alexander the Great. Or better than both, combined.
    Only the world has not found him out as such a great person yet.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:21 pm

    No, not everything surrounding us is a conspiracy and deliberated propaganda.
    That is exactly what THEY want you to believe! Suspect Suspect Suspect

    lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  PhSt Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:32 am

    WikiCRAPia is another good example of NATzO's Hypocrisy based world order

    when the result supports their narrative:

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    when the result is favorable to Russia  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:53 pm



    Russian propaganda.... Razz

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    Post  PhSt Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:21 pm

    I'm sure a lot of you are already familiar with this youtube channel which regularly spews anti-China propaganda, but recently, the channel has also started including anti-Russian content in its videos, The majority of the content being pushed is this narrative that both Russia and China are out to backstab each other Rolling Eyes

    Anyways, in this particular video, at around 6:47, the host lied about how the new official map of China has annexed the Russian city of Vladivostok in the Far Eastern federal district.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by0zxkVv2-c


    So the spot with the red circle is where the propagandist host claims Vladivostok is situated  Rolling Eyes

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    BUT, in reality, Vladivostok is in this spot where the red circle is

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    This can be confirmed using other maps like google:

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    NATzO propaganda is going off the roof after their recent battlefield defeats in Ukraine attack

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    Post  ahmedfire Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:36 pm


    the content being pushed is this narrative that both Russia and China are out to backstab each other

    As Putin said: Russia often hears 'boogeyman stories' about China, but sees its peaceful nature.

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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:38 am

    NATzO-tards have a hard time controlling their wishful thinking. So we see endless fantasy projection onto Russia, China and the
    rest of the planet that does not submit to their whims. The whole Ukraine shit-show is a delusional fantasy by NATzO. The
    expectations they have are lunatic grade nonsense.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:49 pm

    In the west there is a game ironically called Chinese whispers.

    Basically you get a large group of people who line up and the person at one end will whisper into the next persons ear a phrase. That person whispers the phrase into the next persons ear and so on and so on till the last person says out loud what was whispered to them.

    The thing is that anyone at any point along the row of people can change the message to anything they want.

    The amusement in the game is how much the phrase changes even with honest players playing.

    When some idiot tries to ruin everything by completely subverting the message everyone in the row knows what they heard and what they said and it is a question of tracking down who made the change.

    The reason it was called Chinese whispers was of course racist... can't trust them Chinese... they speak with forked tongue.

    But western intelligence services and their propaganda machines around the world are running at the highest bullshit setting to say things like... Russia is going to double cross China... they are going to sign all sorts of new defence agreements with the US when the war ends and they are going to turn on China, or China is secretly negotiating with the west because they have lots of ammo to sell to Kiev to make billions of easy dollars and upgrade their production capacity at the same time.

    And China will invade India and India will invade China...

    Because China and Russia and India actually working together and cooperating is actually more economically and politically dangerous to the US than Russia working together with Europe.

    The US and the west is funding the murder of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers... things are not going back to normal any time soon... and the Chinese know it is just a matter of time before the US comes up with some excuse to start a war on its border... whether it is over Taiwan or with India so there is no point sucking up to the US because they don't care about anyone... they need a few wars to build up their MIC and make a few Americans who were already rich... a little bit richer, and also distract the American people away from the fact that they are in the shit.

    They broke the EU trying to hurt Russia and it worked... the EU is broken, but it failed because it was supposed to damage Russia and it made her stronger and more sure that her future does not really involve Europe or the west.

    Will they break Taiwan or India trying to damage China?

    They don't care which... if it damaged China they would break both.

    India is going to be a problem down the road anyway so might as well damage India and China at the same time.

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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:35 pm

    The US is actively trying to transplant Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing to US territory. They fully plan to use Taiwan as another
    Ukria, as a battering ram against China. This plan is utterly detached from reality just like the Ukrian one. These lunatics expect
    China to fold like a limp noodle. Disruption of global trade will more likely force the NATzO west to fold like a wet noodle.

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