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    Post  lancelot Mon May 01, 2023 12:01 am

    Retarded video.

    It took the US 15 years from first flight of X-35 prototype to first serial produced F-35 delivered to USMC. 15 years from first flight of YF-22 prototype to first serial produced F-22 delivered to USAF. Russia took 10 years from first flight of T-50-1 prototype to first Su-57 delivery. And production rate will ramp up as the program proceeds as is the case for any aircraft.

    Both US 5th generation fighters are worse than the Su-57 in several metrics. The F-22 has much older avionics and weapon systems. The F-35 cannot supercruise and has crap maneuverability. The F-22 does not even have an IRST and the F-35's EOTS sensor has questionable performance in the air to air role.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 01, 2023 5:06 am

    Russia has the Su-35 in production and the Su-30 is going to be a two seat version with radar and engines and electronics from the Su-35 added to it, there is simply no urgent need to ramp production up any further... over the next few years they will get 70 odd aircraft and then after a while they can decide if it is worth the extra cost for stealth or whether they should continue with a mixed fleet of 4th and 5th gen fighters.

    They can reduce costs by adding 5th gen avionics and equipment to their 4th gen aircraft too.

    The MiG-35 can be tested and used to make sure it is cheaper than the Su-35 and the new 5th gen light fighters can also eventually be built in small numbers and tested an evaluated.

    The MiG-35 and the Su-75 or the MiG equivalent of the Su-75 are the light aircraft... the numbers aircraft... they are the planes you should be building in large numbers because they make up the body of your fleet... not the heavy expensive planes that cost more to operate and use similar sensors and equipment and weapons.

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    Post  franco Tue May 02, 2023 12:54 am

    I know some don't like him and I have not followed the situation but this is classic...

    President of Azerbaijan destroys BBC bullshit reporter accusing him of censoring free speech but can't give an example.
    He fires back:

    "Let's talk about Julian Assange"

    https://twitter.com/ricwe123/status/1653040347520413700?cxt=HHwWiMC9lYPc4_AtAAAA

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 02, 2023 3:04 am

    Hahahahaaha... it seems countries are learning to stand up to the wests bullshit... have seen African countries standing up to German diplomats and now this... this is great for the world... and honestly it is good for the west because they had great ideals and now they are fat and lazy and predatory monsters and if they don't see that they have to be shown that... for their own good.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 10, 2023 3:22 am

    Holy shit I had a retarded convo at work

    I was told:
    - Russia had no right to attack Ukraine because they just wanted to join NATO
    - Told him it was because they attacked and killed 14K people in Donbass. He said that was just Russian nonsense.
    - Told that Russia is arresting people who are speaking out against the war including a child.
    - Told Russia lost hundreds of thousands of troops and Ukraine has 300K men for the counter offensive and will retake Crimea
    - Told that General Sirovikin was fired from his job in Syria.
    - Putin is a Nazi cause he is genociding Ukrainians.

    Rather impressed how much people eat up propaganda here

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    Post  Broski Wed May 10, 2023 5:00 am

    sepheronx wrote:Holy shit I had a retarded convo at work
    You're wasting your time at this point. Not even at the height of Soviet power did the people of the USSR believe everything their government and media told them, but the western world does. These people will wake up one day in a 3rd world country with a brutal dictatorship ruling over them wondering how did things get so bad so quickly.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 10, 2023 5:02 am

    Broski wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Holy shit I had a retarded convo at work
    You're wasting your time at this point. Not even at the height of Soviet power did the people of the USSR believe everything their government and media told them, but the western world does. These people will wake up one day in a 3rd world country with a brutal dictatorship ruling over them wondering how did things get so bad so quickly.

    My final comment to them was "lets see what happens". I have a feeling they will have a rude awakening.
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    Post  GarryB Wed May 10, 2023 7:17 am

    You could have said that the west collectively have invaded countries for a lot less reasons than the Russians had, many of which are proven to be lies which were known to be lies at the moment but that didn't stop them using it as an excuse.

    The bio weapon labs in Ukraine and China and all around the world that are US government funded seem to exist so they can do things that would be illegal to do in the US or the west.

    The CIA has been using eastern european countries to do things they can't do in the west too, as has the US military keeping people in Cuba at Guantanimo bay because it would not be legal for them to do to them what they are doing there in the US.

    Essentially they are doing things that are war crimes and anyone who speaks out like Assange gets put into jail.

    What moral right does the west have left if it just ignores international law and morality when it suits them?

    - Told him it was because they attacked and killed 14K people in Donbass. He said that was just Russian nonsense.

    Technically it is Ukrainian nonsense because at the time they were Ukrainian citizens whose crime was to want to continue speaking Russian.

    You are in Canada... if the government of Canada decided that it was time to use native languages from the region instead of evil colonial languages like French and English and both languages were banned and regions in Canada revolted against those rules and the government of Canada sent in the military with air attacks and artillery to shell those people and kill them... would the US and France be wrong to intervene to stop that government?

    If that government got into power with 5 billion dollars of "investment" from China would it still be OK?

    - Told Russia lost hundreds of thousands of troops and Ukraine has 300K men for the counter offensive and will retake Crimea

    Russia is not doing this for fun, there is evidence the Ukraine was going to attack the Donbass and try to retake the entire territory and then attack Crimea, which means this war was always going to happen, but Russia got in some serious blows first and it is taking billions of dollars and a rearmament from the western weapon stocks to keep them going... but they are in no condition to do anything to Crimea except pin prick terrorist attacks.

    - Told that General Sirovikin was fired from his job in Syria.

    Russian generals can't pick and choose... they get sent to posts and they get removed from posts... there is no resigning posts.

    - Putin is a Nazi cause he is genociding Ukrainians.

    Ironic... the May Day parade is about destroying the nazis in Germany, so why would he allow that celebration if he supported them?

    At the end of the day however his ignorance is amusing and ineffectual... just let him continue to fund the Ukraine because no amount of funding will help them... and the more they give the less Russians will think about the west as a future partner in anything.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 10, 2023 7:52 am

    sepheronx wrote:Holy shit I had a retarded convo at work

    I was told:
    - Russia had no right to attack Ukraine because they just wanted to join NATO
    - Told him it was because they attacked and killed 14K people in Donbass. He said that was just Russian nonsense.
    - Told that Russia is arresting people who are speaking out against the war including a child.
    - Told Russia lost hundreds of thousands of troops and Ukraine has 300K men for the counter offensive and will retake Crimea
    - Told that General Sirovikin was fired from his job in Syria.
    - Putin is a Nazi cause he is genociding Ukrainians.

    Rather impressed how much people eat up propaganda here

    And what in detail did you expected from someone soaked with Canadian media flow?
    The same Canada that hosted thousands of hard core nazi Bandera lovers and murderers after the war?
    Maybe his grandpa was killing Jews and getting bonuses for that, who knows?

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    Post  kvs Wed May 10, 2023 1:10 pm

    Being immigrants from the USSR to Kanada during the 1970s the first thing we noticed was how conformist were people to the mass media
    narrative framework. Even if you live in a democratic utopia, you still need some skepticism when dealing with official and mass media information.
    Nobody is going to give you something for free and this applies to mass media. Their advertisers are not paying for your free lunch. They are
    selecting the food in the lunch. For example, Pfizer.

    In the "totalitarian" USSR of the 1970s people would talk about politics in social settings. In Kanada, talking about politics was not the thing to do
    when going out for a beer. The real totalitarianism is in the "free" west. It is more of the Huxley variety than the cheesy Orwell type. But at the
    end of the day, the sheeple are livestock.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 10, 2023 4:14 pm

    The west is the sort of prison where if a guard leaves a door open and the truth accidentally gets out... like with Assange and that Hersh reporter... the prisoners are so well trained when they see the door of their prison cell is open they call the guard on the prisoner that opened it , and then shut the cell door themselves again because the truth will set them free but they prefer to be fed and controlled... it is simpler that way.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed May 10, 2023 7:11 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Holy shit I had a retarded convo at work

    I was told:
    - Russia had no right to attack Ukraine because they just wanted to join NATO
    - Told him it was because they attacked and killed 14K people in Donbass. He said that was just Russian nonsense.
    - Told that Russia is arresting people who are speaking out against the war including a child.
    - Told Russia lost hundreds of thousands of troops and Ukraine has 300K men for the counter offensive and will retake Crimea
    - Told that General Sirovikin was fired from his job in Syria.
    - Putin is a Nazi cause he is genociding Ukrainians.

    Rather impressed how much people eat up propaganda here

    And what in detail did you expected from someone soaked with Canadian media flow?
    The same Canada that hosted thousands of hard core nazi Bandera lovers and murderers after the war?
    Maybe his grandpa was killing Jews and getting bonuses for that, who knows?



    Or perhaps his grandpa was mass murdering ethnic Poles?

    Or both Jews and Poles?


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944



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    Post  GarryB Thu May 11, 2023 12:24 am

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

    The west does not choose its allies and friend based on values or morals, but on who they hate and if you hate Russia or China too then you are the good guy no matter how many corpses are in your history.

    Bandera can be useful against Russians but the fact that he murdered anyone that got in his way is ignored... until Ukraine is no longer flavour of the month.

    In Iraq Saddam was a hero in the west because in the 1980s he was fighting Iran, but when he risked a monopoly on oil by invading Kuwaite... but more importantly threatened the border of Saudi Arabia risking a real monopoly on oil then he was the guy that gassed his own people.

    A crime that was ignored at the time because he was fighting Iran, but when he became the bad guy it was a crime... ignoring the people he gassed were Kurdish separatists so really his attempts to kill them were very similar to American attempts to infect the native Americans with European diseases. by giving them infected blankets.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu May 11, 2023 10:46 am

    There it is again Odin with another comment with his favorite word "ethnic" and the same links he usually posts to his webpage.

    Don't you have more than two sentences to say to any subject with actual information and not just linking/copying stuff from somewhere?

    Your posts have a bad taste like the annoying ads that appear between every few comments.

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    Post  andalusia Fri May 19, 2023 8:43 am

    Frank Gaffney is very hostile to China. He says Chinese Communist Party is a transnational criminal organization but that is the US government which is supported by the oligarchy.


    https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2023-05-17-show/
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    Post  andalusia Sun May 21, 2023 10:09 pm

    Does SA even manufacture weapons in Russian calibres?
    Does Russia use western weapons & calibres??
    Is Russia short of weapon & ammo manufacturing capacity?
    I find this story VERY unlikely, & may be just another (((neocohn))) hoax....




    https://www.news24.com/news24/politics/government/breaking-us-ambassador-says-south-africa-gave-weapons-to-russia-for-ukraine-war-20230511

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    Post  kvs Sun May 21, 2023 10:35 pm

    Judge China by its actions and not by the bleating of imperial swine in the NATzO west. China actually invests in countries and
    helps them develop. It does not engage in regime change to install bootlicks that sell their people down the river. The US
    wanted Navalny to dial up the comprador sell out of Yeltsin and in 2011 attempt to foist this corrupt stooge clown on Russia.
    Any American bleating about bad Russia and bad China has zero credibility and is just spreading shit in a pathetic attempt to
    maintain American hegemony. American hegemony is on the way out and 85% of the planet has demonstrated that it does
    not want to submit to the US mafia domination.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 22, 2023 1:33 am

    I find this story VERY unlikely, & may be just another (((neocohn))) hoax....

    Well ironically the fact of the matter is even if they did supply weapons or ammo to Russia... that is not a crime.

    Russia is not under international sanction, the west has imposed their own sanctions and continue to arm and fund and support one party in a conflict and attack anyone who might be supporting the other party.... no great surprise because the west created this entire conflict in the first place.

    I would love to see some military cooperation between South Africa and Russia, they have some excellent equipment and designs and they make Soviet calibre ammo and weapons too AFAIK because for a while they were using captured weapons who were supplied by the Soviets.

    A good question is... the US ambassador to South Africa should be focused on US trade with SA... why are they commenting on SA trade with Russia... why do they think that is any of their business?

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    Post  andalusia Sun May 28, 2023 7:07 am

    Not following the war that closely but is it true that the Patriot Missile System has successfully intercepted Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-squeezed-out-of-the-us-patriot-missile-system-a-capability-that-the-pentagon-did-not-think-possible-military-analyst-says/ar-AA1bLLIw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c863069aec0542c19345e25eeffad542&ei=11
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun May 28, 2023 3:32 pm

    andalusia wrote:Not following the war that closely but is it true that the Patriot Missile System has successfully intercepted Russian hypersonic cruise missiles?
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-has-squeezed-out-of-the-us-patriot-missile-system-a-capability-that-the-pentagon-did-not-think-possible-military-analyst-says/ar-AA1bLLIw?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c863069aec0542c19345e25eeffad542&ei=11

    Yes, as posted in the other thread the patriot launcher and radars intercepted the russian missiles on the ground Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 29, 2023 5:56 am

    Patriot PAC-3 missiles, which are the new expensive anti ballistic missile types were so successful they are replacing them with NASSMs... basically ground launched AMRAAMs... will they do any better?

    The Russians are not idiots and knew of the weaknesses of the PAC-3 and they can find weaknesses in the new systems too...

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon May 29, 2023 8:05 am

    Theoretically Kinzhal missile is inteceptable because (if my memory made mistakes here feel free to correct it) unlike Iskandar, Kinzhal warhead after separating from its engine is unable to independently maneuver and change its trajectory.

    Therefore, Kinzhal's movement at its terminal stage is predictable and theoretically the enemy can intercept it. Evasiveness is the combination of both speed and maneuverability.

    But I am not sure whether the Maidan regime can materialize that theory into reality.

    From my perspective every claim of the Maidan Kiev regime should be taken with 1000000000 kg of salt, especially in this case when they even claimed to be the only one to defeat Kinzhal and even their USA master, the one who develop the PAC system, were unable to do like them.

    By the way Russian armed forces have begun to pay serious attention to the PAC systems. Expect more PAC systems to be destroyed.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon May 29, 2023 8:53 am

    kvs wrote:Judge China by its actions and not by the bleating of imperial swine in the NATzO west.   China actually invests in countries and
    helps them develop.   It does not engage in regime change to install bootlicks that sell their people down the river.   The US
    wanted Navalny to dial up the comprador sell out of Yeltsin and in 2011 attempt to foist this corrupt stooge clown on Russia.
    Any American bleating about bad Russia and bad China has zero credibility and is just spreading shit in a pathetic attempt to
    maintain American hegemony.   American hegemony is on the way out and 85% of the planet has demonstrated that it does
    not want to submit to the US mafia domination.  

    It is even better than that.
    The last EU tournee via Africa was a real joy to watch.
    I can't even call the number of countries, where they have been beaten in public.
    The dumbass Macaroni, standing hand by hand with some African country president, who is saying that the times of Europe lecturing Africans are gone ... and started to lecture him Laughing Laughing what ended up with a whole room of journalists openly laughing at him.
    The other idiot, chief of Bundestag, lecturing Namibian president if I am not mistaking, about the Chinese threat ... Ended up with an open stand up show, when the president started to lecture Herr Bas about sticking his nose in his own arse rather than others.
    Mrs. Bamberbroken "360 deg turn" bringing a book about women's rights on a visit to South Arabia - what is here not to admire? Laughing Laughing
    Mrs. von der Luegen, president of Europe, stepping down the plane on technical ladder i Indonesia ...
    Every single time, the western politicians are trying to convince anyone outside their own circle about anything, turns to be a disaster.
    Latest tournee in South America brought the very same results.

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    Post  GarryB Mon May 29, 2023 10:28 am

    Theoretically Kinzhal missile is inteceptable because (if my memory made mistakes here feel free to correct it) unlike Iskandar, Kinzhal warhead after separating from its engine is unable to independently maneuver and change its trajectory.

    Afraid your memory has failed you my friend, Kinzhal is just an air launched Iskander and neither as a separating warhead and both have rocket deflection vanes in the rocket exhaust which means the rocket motor runs from launch to impact with it able to pull very high g manouvers at any point in its flight.

    Therefore, Kinzhal's movement at its terminal stage is predictable and theoretically the enemy can intercept it. Evasiveness is the combination of both speed and maneuverability.

    If that were true then that would be very stupid because most targets have air defences located nearby so the terminal stage is the most likely point where they will encounter air defences... especially when the targets are ships.

    It is not true.

    But I am not sure whether the Maidan regime can materialize that theory into reality.

    The US Navy has much better SAMs that the US Air Force and even they admit they can't stop Kinzhal or Zircon or Kh-32 or even Onyx reliably.

    From my perspective every claim of the Maidan Kiev regime should be taken with 1000000000 kg of salt, especially in this case when they even claimed to be the only one to defeat Kinzhal and even their USA master, the one who develop the PAC system, were unable to do like them.

    The version of Patriot Kiev was using was the PAC-3 which is optimised for shooting down improved Scuds... non manouvering targets that move rather fast... about mach 7.

    Kinzhal and Zircon are both faster and actively manouver to make interception difficult.

    By the way Russian armed forces have begun to pay serious attention to the PAC systems. Expect more PAC systems to be destroyed.

    Most likely they probably think the west will try to build an IADS so they can fly F-16s as far east as possible to launch cruise missiles against targets in Russia including Moscow, so destroying their Patriot systems and their NASSMS might make them change their minds... or not... either way stuff is going to get blown up in the Ukraine.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon May 29, 2023 11:01 am

    ALAMO wrote:It is even better than that.
    The last EU tournee via Africa was a real joy to watch.
    I can't even call the number of countries, where they have been beaten in public.
    The dumbass Macaroni, standing hand by hand with some African country president, who is saying that the times of Europe lecturing Africans are gone ... and started to lecture him Laughing Laughing what ended up with a whole room of journalists openly laughing at him.
    The other idiot, chief of Bundestag, lecturing Namibian president if I am not mistaking, about the Chinese threat ... Ended up with an open stand up show, when the president started to lecture Herr Bas about sticking his nose in his own arse rather than others.
    Mrs. Bamberbroken "360 deg turn" bringing a book about women's rights on a visit to South Arabia - what is here not to admire? Laughing Laughing
    Mrs. von der Luegen, president of Europe, stepping down the plane on technical ladder i Indonesia ...
    Every single time, the western politicians are trying to convince anyone outside their own circle about anything, turns to be a disaster.
    Latest tournee in South America brought the very same results.

    Western propaganda deceptively describes China as the gigantic evil creditors who install "debt traps" over the world. But the hard fact is that China is NOT the largest creditors in Africa. Country by country she is the largest. But if you gather the Western companies together as one to compare with China, as the West has already done to pick a fight against China, we can clearly see that Western companies are the biggest creditor together.

    We also do not have to say more about the devastating effects of the Western debt traps and other kind of intervention and wars over the world.

    Western propaganda have been trying restlessly to demonize China and paint China as the biggest evil trying to dominating the world.

    Except that the world has been dominated, oppressed, bloodsucked and terrorized by the Western evil who brazenly and deceptively claim itself as an angel.

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