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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:16 pm

    What i find funny is how they interpret the exodus from Russia.
    As if these people were the hard working driving force of the Russian economy.
    Its hilarious, most of these people are more than likely part of the liberal menace that exists in Russia, they are not the driving force of anything, except the delusional liberal ideology.
    Russia has done well to get rid of these rats who would eventually sell Russia out to the west if they had remained.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:24 pm

    Russia didn't get rid of anything. These people got rid of themselves. They were the cosmopolitan layer of Russian society that made their money from tourism, international trade, English-language teaching, retail, IT, entertainment. But rather they were the scum that forms on top of the broth than the broth itself, even in regards to those industries. The people who do the actual hard work and profit have mostly continued to do so in Russia now; it's the intermediaries and middle-men that have been cut out.

    The same crowd the West has invested heavily in as Navalny's support base. Seems they bet on the wrong horse as these are really not the hardcore revolutionary types. Hell they weren't even ready to give up Instagram and Starbucks. And now they all have sights on moving to and establishing themselves in the West where they expect a cushy life has been prepared for them as members of the liberal internationale and former intermediaries of Western capital. Boy are they in for a surprise.

    There are some good and valuable people who left for sure. But mostly it's just ballast as you say.
    Nevertheless it's not my place to judge anyone. Some people have pragmatic reasons for living, others do it out of necessity.


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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:31 pm

    Some problem is tha fact, that a big part of those are IT specialists - those who are mobile laborers and can work remotely in any country, using the same skills. But Russia is running a full scale replacement program for exportozamieschenye of those individuals if I am aware of Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:36 pm

    Some problem is tha fact, that a big part of those are IT specialists - those who are mobile laborers and can work remotely in any country, using the same skills. But Russia is running a full scale replacement program for exportozamieschenye of those individuals if I am aware of

    More work for me, I'm not complaining, as one of those people myself Cool

    In my eyes they've simply cut themselves out of a market. Although if you rely on foreign orders and thus foreign bank transfers, or if you work for a Western multinational then it makes sense to move with the company, if your other circumstances permit it.
    I used to, and a lot of my former colleagues from that corporation did make the move. Great pay in that job, especially when I started out, but you can get the same money or more in domestic companies these days.

    My prediction is that a lot of these people will come back as demand in Russia is quite high for programmers at the moment.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:38 pm

    That was a case for Belarus.
    On the one hand, it made Minsk a capital of modern IT business.
    On the other, it brought tons of people who doesn't care about nothing more than a soya latte in the morning, and to watch some gay porn on his brand new iPad.

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:29 pm

    From different russian bloggers and minor officials I have already heard that majority of the "draft-dodgers" and cancel-culture occultists have returned as they have realized that nobody will give them money for free and they have burned up most of their saved money.

    The issue is, this rats will come back in. I think Russia should make it easier for such people to lose their citizenship especially if their leave is associated with being aligned with the West or their deeds and plans would affect Russia or Russian society negatively.

    Even if most of these are feminine hipster like child-free type people they still have a lot of audience, especially young folks that are all somewhat sympathetic towards liberals and these garbage western "values". NGO's are targeting kids for a good reason.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:50 pm

    I was watching one of the Fox News "comedy" news panel shows and there was this full bore attack on the UN as the most useless
    organization ever. As "proof" the panelist spouted off that China and Russia are on the security council. As if that is self-evidently
    bad. Western sheeple have been weened from birth on drivel about being exceptionally good and advanced. But the reality is
    something else.

    1) Oppression. China represses seditionists. So does the USA. We have the January 6th, 2021 "insurrection" as an example.
    Some protestors who were actually peaceful and all the violence was from the corrupt Capitol Hill police goon squad are treated
    as the worst form of seditionists. Russia is actually more free than the USA since real foreign agents such as Navalny were allowed
    to run free for years until they finally got to see some justice. Fox-tards lump China and Russia together as if the have the
    same political structure. Typical yanqui chauvinist and malicious "ignorance".

    2) Human Rights. I suppose the administration of hormone blockers and child genital mutilation surgery (sex change) is an example
    of western "human rights". We have children (i.e. minors who are not autonomous under the law and who require legal guardians)
    being herded into mutilation which then leads to a very high suicide rate and attempt to revert the mutilation later. This is one
    of the most grotesque abuses of human rights there is. Navalny's prison term is justice and not any violation of human
    rights. The security measure against foreign agitated and sponsored seditionists in China is not human rights abuse.

    3) Freedom of information. Russians can watch all the NATzO anti-Russian drivel on demand. NATzO residents have a censored information
    space where any legitimate criticism and discussion of facts (e.g. covid vax injuries) is repressed. Doctors who go against the
    NATzO fake stream media narrative servicing NATzO regime agendas have their licenses withdrawn. Deplatforming, reputation destruction
    and job termination are actual examples of human right abuse and oppression. It does not matter that it is not some state element
    that does this, the NATzO states create the climate and finance the activity of the elements that do. CNN et al. are de facto part of the
    state structure and the SJW degenerates are the brown shirts.



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    Post  Werewolf Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:45 pm

    kvs wrote:I was watching one of the Fox News "comedy" news panel shows and there was this full bore attack on the UN as the most useless
    organization ever. As "proof" the panelist spouted off that China and Russia are on the security council. As if that is self-evidently
    bad. Western sheeple have been weened from birth on drivel about being exceptionally good and advanced. But the reality is
    something else.

    That garbage is only consumed and affects students of western educational system as it requires to be raised in a society to develop such acceptance of exceptionalism. The mere phenomenon that after ridiculous amount of decades of telling everyone that everything that Russia as a state or Russians say is always a lie or has underlying evil intentions and therefor can be disregarded as untrue or cynical at best. It is a pain to life and work in a western country especially in the IT Sector. Many people believe they are somewhat an intellectual elite of society based on their work which subconsciously reinforces their "exceptionalism". Such people are very stubborn to look at any alternating view point and completely shut you down if you challenge their views with evidence pointing out that they are wrong.

    Who would you protect yourself more from?

    The guy that got mugged three times and had to rely on violence for his own protection or the guy that has never been punished and committed violent crimes with murder, pillaging, raping and human trafficking for the 38 years out of his 50 years of existence on this planet?

    Pseudo-democratic countries or in more clear terms countries controlled by the US have no place to be.

    If I am not mistaken we can count truelly sovereign countries on one hand, which can and are following their own interest. That's China, Russia, North Korea, Turkey and USA. If we take into consideration about internal politics and if countries are following the principle of following politics to ensure and follow citizens interest, then we could easily through out USA from this list as they are following a destructive policy for the society and thus de-industrializing themselves.
    What I mean by that is obviously the artificial created issues of radical liberal origin which inflicting unpleasant conditions on society. Radical feminism making dating and partnership and marriage for many people undesirable and increasing the likelihood for marriages to fail. Alphabet gang is perverting everything and unavoidably will see it in almost every movie or tv series up to the point of touching kids and brainwashing them becoming radical or drop their development and mental health into the pit where they can not even understand universal prinicples of our species as to what is male or female. Cancel Culture and Political correctness implemented to reduce the willingness to criticize all these mechanisms in power to bring the society to a collapse.

    Absurdity and restrictive nature of western "values" and a rigid system who is allowed to make or break rules is what makes the entire West an semi-closed asylum. They themselves don't allow anyone into their system who isn't likely-minded and it is about time to create a high enough fence to keep all the insane inmates of this asylum from spreading their vile and dangerous gibberish.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:53 am

    Another gem from Zakharova Laughing

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    Post  Airbornewolf Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:02 am

    speaking of Russian I.T guys, some where quite persistent on evading Draft Razz

    this guy camped out in the woods and still managed to work, shame.
    Imagine just doing your service as an I.T Nerd if you got these skills? Razz

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    In al seriousness tough, If one does not know by now what the West is really about.
    fomenting the destruction of Russia and creating an Nazi state on the border hell-bent on genocide of your people with NATO weapons.
    And you run away from your responsibility in this war, you do not deserve to live there.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Nov 25, 2022 5:31 am

    I dont get it. Are Russian males turned to Eloys like here in the west? Slack jawed plump goblins that lap up western propaganda? It doesnt take much intellect to realize that this current conflict is just essentially a proxy war gone very hot and that Ukraine is a puppet state of the US state department. If China was doing this nonsense in say Cuba and was getting Cuba to try and retake Guantanamo bay and started writing defense pacts and getting money/weapons I know ma y here would be in total agreement with an invasion of Cuba (sorry to any Cubano homies out there it's just theoretical).

    ...but now that I think about it there would indeed be plenty of types like discussed above. Damnit. It is angering to 5hink about. I guess you have the same kinds of people over there in Russia too. Eloys. Perfect consumers. Ready for UBI, universal surveillance, and a bar code on the forehead by mr antichrist himself.

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    Post  Werewolf Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:24 am

    TMA1, the nature of most (big majority) of IT guys and many other sectors like entertainment, art and such sectors where most are flowerly, soya latte and pro LGBT hipsters have always only their own ass and money on mind. They will never be patriotic.

    The more of this people go the better it is for Russia. It will open up more work places and what I experience from headhunter.ru is that the salaries are increasing for my field of profession. Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:51 am

    It is about your world view as well... everyone in the west finds it easier to believe their lying thieving politicians than the politicians of foreign countries they see demonised every minute on western media... if you ask them if western politicians are honest and reliable they will reply that they are scum and worse than used car salesmen, but those same sensible people will then totally believe any such snake oil salesman if they contradict what Putin or Xi or Assad or Iranian or NK or Cuban leader just said... they become patriots and suspect most if not all Russian or Chinese or Iranian or other stereotypes are absolutely true... and when you are dealing with people every day in a high tech industry where you have to do Microsoft exams to be qualified to operate on Microsoft operating systems/servers, then the west gets more influence.

    Mobile workforces like IT are fickle and I suspect many went to Russia for the flat tax rate or because their company was making huge money there and so they went to get a piece of that.

    Those clowns pissing off in solidarity with their Ukrainian brothers is an opportunity... western software companies that didn't leave should be told to leave and Russian companies should be encouraged to replace them... Russian companies should already be replacing Windows and Huawei should be replacing Apple shit just to eliminate the western spyware from the country as much as possible.

    Replacing Google should be the next focus and priority and Youtube as well.

    New rules on copyright and IP rules should make Youtube competition sprout up like weeds... make sure they are all Russian and Russian owned and keep all their data inside Russia under Russian control and let the public pick a couple of dominant brands... perhaps some anti monopoly laws that prevent any Russian companies from taking over the market completely and becoming too powerful like Amazon and Google and Microsoft and Apple and Facebook and Twitter have.

    If every European and western IT person leaves Russia there are plenty of Indian IT guys looking for good paying jobs... but of course there should be plenty of Russians in the mix as well.

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    Post  andalusia Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:34 am

    Didn't know where was the perfect place to put this but the US Soccer Federation eliminates Islamic symbol on Iranian flag:

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:16 pm

    That is an example of the rabid hypocrisy of the establishment so-called left that runs the MSM. They have love fests for ISIS terrorists
    but at the same time desecrate Islamic symbols. Iran is not Sunni and basically all the western backed and sponsored terrorists are Sunni.
    So attacks on Iran and Shi'ites are "legit" just like attacks on the Russian Orthodox church. All the real independent countries are to be
    demonized and destroyed.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:02 pm

    These idiots need to catch a clue.

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    Post  Hole Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:10 pm

    NO! Let them live in fantasy world. Reality will struck them even harder.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:45 am

    When YouCrap pimps TLDR videos I never bother to click on them. They are utter clickbait and delusional masturbation since in this
    case the book can be judged by the cover.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:54 am

    Post Hole Yesterday at 10:10 pm

    NO! Let them live in fantasy world. Reality will struck them even harder.


    From this week Mischustin's weekly report about Jan-Sep results:
    Russkie repaid 25% of all debts.
    Fiscal incomes rise 10% if compared to Sep21.
    Budget expenditures raised 5.5%
    Budget surplus retains, at 0.5 trln RUR.
    Most of the expenditure hikes applied to social welfare and additional allocations to refugees and the military.

    Yup, sounds a dead meat to me either!

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    Post  lancelot Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:07 am

    Only in Western propaganda is paying extra for the exorbitant privilege of buying Brent crude a "plus". Russia is still getting more per barrel of oil than before the conflict started.

    The Western propaganda meme that Russia is importing fridges and washing machines to get its electronics is so laughable I am not sure how they can even say bullshit like this and keep it straight. People are just that ignorant I guess.

    As for the 4% GDP collapse, these Western pundits were claiming it would have been 15% and even 18% collapse and other BS like that. If anything the reduction in GDP was minor given the huge amount of sanctions they put on Russia. They clearly wanted to cripple Russia's economy but they failed and it continues chugging along. Sure there are lots of problems. But I am pretty sure in 2 years most of them will be gone as new suppliers and factories come online.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:59 am

    And again, how much of that "GDP decrease" is done by debt repayments? Like all of it? Laughing

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    Post  andalusia Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:31 am

    I want to know is this true that Russia forced African students to fight for Russia in the Ukraine War?


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-university-accused-of-pressuring-african-students-to-fight-vladimir-putins-war-in-ukraine

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    Post  Broski Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:15 pm

    I want to know is this true that Russia forced African students to fight for Russia in the Ukraine War?
    Already confirmed by the Kyiv Independent and British Intelligence as true, now go back to sleep, sheep.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:59 pm

    I want to know is this true that Russia forced African students to fight for Russia in the Ukraine War?


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-university-accused-of-pressuring-african-students-to-fight-vladimir-putins-war-in-ukraine

    Please desist from re-posting the same NATO propaganda article all over the forum; 1 place is enough, not 3

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:42 pm

    another example of the idiocy of Western propaganda: The Great USA claim that the Russian army is a joke, a paper tiger, barely armed with Mosin rifles. At the same time, the United States complains about the too rapid consumption of shells for artillery - one day of the war in Ukraine consumes a supply of shells like a month in Afghanistan. But the US shamefully fled Afghanistan, losing to the Taliban. But Russia, which requires 30 times more resources to fight, will undoubtedly lose to the Great USA.

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