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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:10 pm

    Maybe , but it really is more of an internal power struggle in kazakhstan between elbasy and tokayev.

    Svidomo and libs were useful idiots, the security state won out.

    Russia gets sphere of influence, so on and so forth

    Nazarbayev bet on the wrong direction , sort of a Yanukovych but in reverse, and tried to fight against nur otan
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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:18 pm

    The US media is focused on manufacturing the myth of the January 6, 2020, "insurrection" on Capitol Hill.   Today is a special day.
    Funny how some peaceful demonstrators are called terrorists when two women protestors were killed by the Nancy Pelosi controlled
    goon squad (aka police) (one was shot in the neck and another was beaten to death with baton hits to the head and face).  
    They were not armed and were not ransacking anything.   At the same time the real terrorists in Kazakhastan looting, murdering
    and burning cars and buildings is "democracy protestors calling for democracy".

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    Post  Godric Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:24 pm

    reports that police officers have been beheaded, 13 in total dead is not a good sign, Kazakhstan has to get control of the situation quick before they lose there country to America .... Russia and President Putin making it clear outside forces are involved ... this level of violence is not over gas prices but a coup attempt
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:34 pm

    Possible explanation of Kyrgyzstan's position:

    Kyrgyz President Sadyr Zhaparov and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan discussed the situation in Kazakhstan by phone. The conversation between the leaders of the two states took place on the initiative of the Turkish side.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    European media is reporting on this but almost nothing in USA

    Very unusual for them not to jump on this well in advance

    I think this confirms that this was solely Brussels/East-Europe Hail Mary pass

    Euros (especially Tier 2 ones) know that someone will be getting thrown to the wolves during those upcoming USA/RU negotiations and are desperate to prevent them from happening

    CIA is sitting this one out, their ex-Afghan assets (jihadists) may be getting used here by their European buddies but they are not playing this one



    Na. It was just a desperate move that they weren't sure will succeed

    And now that the wind started to blow in the other direction they scrammed quick. They need continued co-operation with Kazakhstan.

    I mean I don't exclude the possibility that the US isn't in on this, but it's hard to believe. We're talking about about a critical time, and a critical country, where all the technologies of regime-change were employed and all the NGOs were activated. The only thing that stayed silent was the media and politicians, waiting to see what would happen.

    That either Tokayev or Nazerbayev may have co-ordinated with the West on this in the hope of deposing one another is certainly not out of the question though. In fact it almost certainly must be the case, considering what was witnessed. Just a few oligarchs and opposition groups outside the power structures could not have wrought such chaos over just 3 days.


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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:48 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Possible explanation of Kyrgyzstan's position:

    Kyrgyz President Sadyr Zhaparov and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan discussed the situation in Kazakhstan by phone. The conversation between the leaders of the two states took place on the initiative of the Turkish side.

    The most recent coup/revolution in Kyrgyzstan was a Turkish sponsored one, which brought in some leaders that tried to beef with Tajikistan.

    Although it didn't exactly net the Turks much. The country is up to its neck in Chinese debt and dependent on Russia in regards to migrant work and its border issues with Tajikistan (that Russia turned a blind eye to Taikistan teaching a lesson to Kyrgyzstan on recently, but nontheless Kyrgyzstan didn't lose any territory).

    It's another Pashinyan case basically. Secretly pro-West but has to be pro-Russian by necessity.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:56 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Maybe , but it really is more of an internal power struggle in kazakhstan between elbasy and tokayev.

    Svidomo and libs were useful idiots, the security state won out.

    Russia gets sphere of influence, so on and so forth

    Nazarbayev bet on the wrong direction , sort of a Yanukovych but in reverse, and tried to fight against nur otan

    Russia doesn't need a sphere of influence per say. That can actually be a drag and breed resentment or whatever else.

    It needs stable neighbours who will co-operate with Russia and build stronger economic ties

    It basically needs to keep the ex-Soviet space out of the West's sphere of influence. The more ex-Soviet countries understand that this is in their interests as well, the better.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:09 pm

    Anybody knows what the russians are taking with them?.
    Looks like an EW or satcom system.

    An Krashuka-4 perhaps?.
    i dont know how it looks exactly with its antenna's folded for air transport.
    its angled upper cabin and antenna positioning on the rear matches the looks of an Krashuka-4 tough.

    If it is,...someone is going to have some service problems Razz

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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:26 pm

    I would call it standard operating procedure. Control over wireless communications is rather important.
    NATzO assets in Kazakhstan need to be fully isolated from each other and from their handlers.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:33 pm

    Fighting in Almaty earlier in the day

    https://t.me/kstati_p/18074
    https://t.me/kstati_p/18070

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:38 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:Anybody knows what the russians are taking with them?.
    Looks like an EW or satcom system.

    Got to be gear that screws with mobile phones to blind those using them as a, amateur command and control mechanism.


    It seems to me that there might have been a longer term plan for destabilisation via NGOs etc that may have had an emergency bring forward in an attempt to put the Russians on the back foot in the negotiations next week.

    If so, it has turned into another 'shot in the foot' that the US State Department seems to becoming an expert in over the last few years.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:51 pm

    GEROMAN -- 👀 -
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    #Kazachstan
    Unconfirmed reports about Almaty is completely secured (I think clean up operations are still going on though)
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    So far 18 KIA and around 700 wounded reported (of wich 16 are security forces (Army / Police)
    (I think the death toll is higher - but not reported so far)

    more and more reports about Almaty is back under Kazakh security forces coming in - no visual confirmation because internet is still down.

    ASB News / MILITARY〽
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    All previously besieged government buildings are now controlled by the authorities - Kazakhstan

    27m
    Kazakhstan — 18 security officials were killed by rioters whom the president labels  “foreign-trained terrorists”, 748 were wounded.

    2298 people were detained throughout the country

    Maxim A. Suchkov
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    7/ #Russia was presented w/ a sudden crisis that it now seeks to turn into an opportunity. That #CSTO was invoked is interesting and imo is a good move.
    (a) it’s branded as a collective Eurasian effort, not a RUS whim  
    (b) gives more legitimacy to the actions to stabilize KZ..

    5/ Side comment - interesting today's interview by Mikheil Saakashvili where he's talking about how he met with #Kazakhstan/i opposition in #Ukraine and welcomed "their struggle"

    4/The protests seemed coordinated,well-organized. To me,as a non expert on KZ,this looks like a combination of factors – intra-elite showdown + some foreign invlvment.If you believe it’s purely local,take a look where the protests coordinated from,who “opposition leaders” are,etc

    56m
    3/ #Russia-#Kazakhstan border is 7599 км (4721 miles) long.The crisis unfolded quickly. No matter who behind the protests, RU 'd not allow for KZ to turn into a grey zone of instability.Even if it wasn’t a “color revolution”, as some speculate,there’re reasons for RU 2B concerned


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    Current situation in Kazakhstan

    The most difficult situation is in Alma-Ata. Several premises of state agencies, financial organizations, television companies, and trade facilities were occupied and partially destroyed.
    In the regions of Aktobe, Atyrau, West Kazakhstan, Mangistau, several sections of the road and 1 railway were blocked

    ▪ In the regions of Nur-Sultan, Shymkent, Akmola, Kyzylorda, Pavlodar, North Kazakhstan and Turkestan, the situation is stable

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:59 pm

    Seems to be a few burned out military trucks by the sides of the road. Likely part of a convoy, and there is speculation they were targeted with RPGs. But could just as easily have been surrounded, surrendered and the vehicles torched for all we know

    https://t.me/kstati_p/18080

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:02 pm

    I don't think that this was planned as the result, west influence reduced!

    Endi Zentarmi
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    #KazakhstanProtest

    For the moment:

    -Winners: Current President Kasim-Yomart Tokáev

    -Losers: Former President Nursultan Nazarbayev and his clan

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Seems to be a few burned out military trucks by the sides of the road. Likely part of a convoy, and there is speculation they were targeted with RPGs. But could just as easily have been surrounded, surrendered and the vehicles torched for all we know

    https://t.me/kstati_p/18080

    Meanwhile the big boys are on the way  russia

    Marko Mihkelson
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    Russia has deployed to #Kazakhstan same military units (76th Guards Air Assault Division from Pskov and 45th Guards Spetsnaz (Special Purpose) Detached Brigade from Kubinka) who were lead force in occupation of Crimea in 2014.

    ZOKA
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    45th separate special-purpose brigade of the Russian Airborne Forces is on the way to the Chkalovsky airfield, from where the special forces will go to Kazakhstan by planes.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:11 pm

    When I consider who can be behind this "random violence" and consider all the usual suspects, I pick Putin. Its actually a brilliant move on his part. Of course the West is trying to court all former Soviet republics, and Putin does not want another Ukraine problem on his border. So raise some hell, get Russian troops in there, and lets just say, they are not leaving...EVER. AND he forces the country to invite them. I bet they know Putin is behind it, but they know they have to show fealty as they are are better off as a Russian satellite and overtures to become a western satellite are far too dangerous. It also strengthens Putins hand TREMENDOUSLY in the up coming negotiations as he demonstrates his will and determination in a non-sanctionable activity, all without a direct clash with the US. The guy is really a strategic genius.


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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:14 pm

    I am hearing that Russian forces moved in to secure the airport seized by the militants yesterday. This is a replay of the
    Crimea situation where a cargo plane with Tatar militants was attempting to fly in from Turkey but was stopped by the polite
    people securing the airport. Controlling the airport for delivery of militants and other support for the insurgents is a priority.
    That they lost control of this asset so fast supports the claim that the airport was secured by Russian forces.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:16 pm

    Urluber wrote:Plenty of civilian airplanes in Kazakh airspace still.
    I would like to see it closed off, just in case. Even if all government stocks of air defence systems are in the know, there has been months of preparation leading to this situation and no one can be sure what has been smuggled in the country. Even during the chaotic past day(s) when Almaty was in hands of aggressors. Hard to rule out potential provocation like shootdown of airliner - it's integral part of US playbook.

    Exactly this. Clear the air space. Russia should be able to catch the US red handed , doing a terror attack involving an airliner. It happens so often and is so predictable.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:17 pm

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    you will see a lot of Western agents busted in the coming hours in #Kazakhstan
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    also the real leadership has changed there - including the commanders of the security and military
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    remember - The Sultan is now another one - the double game with Russia and the West has ended.

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    Serbia declared that foreign intelligence agencies are behind the #Kazakhstan Flag of Kazakhstan protests

    Serbia is enthusiastically embracing  Russia's colour revolution rhetoric, and is even beating the Kremlin to the punch

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    As an avid observer of international developments and student of foreign policy, I must admit Putin is making master chess moves in Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan to further his country's interests.

    Lately, Moscow seems to be 2 steps ahead of Washington and Brussels.

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:This time it might be a network of western agents trying to start a coup.
    Maybe the intention of the West is to stretch Russia's resources both on the Ukranian front and also in Central Asia.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    European media is reporting on this but almost nothing in USA

    Very unusual for them not to jump on this well in advance

    I think this confirms that this was solely Brussels/East-Europe Hail Mary pass

    Euros (especially Tier 2 ones) know that someone will be getting thrown to the wolves during those upcoming USA/RU negotiations and are desperate to prevent them from happening

    CIA is sitting this one out, their ex-Afghan assets (jihadists) may be getting used here by their European buddies but they are not playing this one



    This one seemed to get too violent too quickly to play the "muh human rites" "muh police brutality" angle.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:34 pm

    mnztr wrote:When I consider who can be behind this "random violence" and consider all the usual suspects, I pick Putin. Its actually a brilliant move on his part. Of course the West is trying to court all former Soviet republics, and Putin does not want another Ukraine problem on his border. So raise some hell, get Russian troops in there, and lets just say, they are not leaving...EVER. AND he forces the country to invite them. I bet they know Putin is behind it, but they know they have to show fealty as they are are better off as a Russian satellite and overtures to become a western satellite are far too dangerous. It also strengthens Putins hand TREMENDOUSLY in the up coming negotiations as he demonstrates his will and determination in a non-sanctionable activity, all without a direct clash with the US. The guy is really a strategic genius.

    Russia has needed a new color revolution strategy for a long time. Injecting double agent provocatours to turn the protests violent is a welcome innovation. Then they can control the temperature instead of having the CIA turn them violent with snipers.

    But we'll never really know.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:37 pm

    mnztr wrote:When I consider who can be behind this "random violence" and consider all the usual suspects, I pick Putin. Its actually a brilliant move on his part. Of course the West is trying to court all former Soviet republics, and Putin does not want another Ukraine problem on his border. So raise some hell, get Russian troops in there, and lets just say, they are not leaving...EVER. AND he forces the country to invite them. I bet they know Putin is behind it, but they know they have to show fealty as they are are better off as a Russian satellite and overtures to become a western satellite are far too dangerous. It also strengthens Putins hand TREMENDOUSLY in the up coming negotiations as he demonstrates his will and determination in a non-sanctionable activity, all without a direct clash with the US. The guy is really a strategic genius.

    No it is actually the assorted nationalist, pan-Turk, Islamist and criminal retards behind it all, that the Western NGOs and local oligarchs have bred for the occasion, but can't even control. Plus the mobs of village people angry about having to do low-paid jobs, who looted all the shops or signed up to the rent-a-crowd shenanigance.

    One of these people is a notorious member of the Kazakh criminal underworld who has just returned from abroad, Arman 'Wild', who has been sounding the alarm about mob rule and how the protestors are not conducting themselves properly. He's in a panic as he knows that the movement has failed to capture popular support in Almaty


    Ukronazis on the Maidan were doing the same thing - arson, strangling cops, beating politicians and so on, even seizing weapons - but all their sins were excused as the coupists won in that country.

    Tokayev either let the marauders have their day for a period of time to show ordinary people what they're about, or else couldn't exercise control over the army and security forces before as it was Nazarbayev as head of the security council, who in fact was in commander-in-chief.

    The only place protests have progressed somewhat peacefully was in the west of the country, where the retards already have mass support and there is no need to bus in a whole bunch of people from out of town, and where they already disarmed local police and army units. Presumably a lot of those people were the ones who then assaulted Almaty.

    Now it looks like the west of the country is preparing to fold as Tokayev asserts authority. For now they're still gathering in the main square in Aktau, but bringing their wives and kids along.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:52 pm

    Backman wrote:
    mnztr wrote:When I consider who can be behind this "random violence" and consider all the usual suspects, I pick Putin. Its actually a brilliant move on his part. Of course the West is trying to court all former Soviet republics, and Putin does not want another Ukraine problem on his border. So raise some hell, get Russian troops in there, and lets just say, they are not leaving...EVER. AND he forces the country to invite them. I bet they know Putin is behind it, but they know they have to show fealty as they are are better off as a Russian satellite and overtures to become a western satellite are far too dangerous. It also strengthens Putins hand TREMENDOUSLY in the up coming negotiations as he demonstrates his will and determination in a non-sanctionable activity, all without a direct clash with the US. The guy is really a strategic genius.

    Russia has needed a new color revolution strategy for a long time. Injecting double agent provocatours to turn the protests violent is a welcome innovation.  Then they can control the temperature instead of having the CIA turn them violent with snipers.

    But we'll never really know.

    Hardly a new innovation, has been around forever.

    But I'm more than ready to believe that it more than anything depends on the quality of who you recruit.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:57 pm

    Britain calling for Kazakhstan's sovereignty to be respected Razz



    Is that the best they can come up with?
    Maybe if they and their allies respected Kazakhstan's sovereignty themselves, there would be no CSTO troops there. Which the Kazakh president and leadership themselves invited, quite legitimately.

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