The Situation in the Ukraine. #31

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SeigSoloyvov wrote:You feel that way they do not, which is a common theme for people on this forum, they think their feelings are represented by the people. You can type 13 pages of why you feel that way but that's not represented by the masses.

They are not neutral and they have voted for the guy who has favored aligning with the west double for going towards the EU.

Has for facts various polls done within Ukraine well as demonstrations by the people in it.

West and Central pro NATO and EU

Eastern Sides on russia boarder, pro russia and the eastern sides kinda between those two areas are on the fence bu total pop wise there is many more in favor vs against

Not sure if this was meant for my post of not as it was posted right after my post. But it wasn't my views but views of Ukrainians and Ukrainian friends.

I agree with u that many Ukrainians voted towards a pro EU president, but remember Ukraine is highly corrupt one of the worst countries I have been to and I have been to many corrupt countries. This goes for any polls taken in Ukraine. Everyone in Ukraine will tell you the same.

What I don't agree with is west and central is pro EU and pro NATO. For a start both are completely different things to join, you will find almost most of the west and central want EU membership for job opportunities and many think the EU as some utopia. NATO very few want, why? Because majority want a peaceful country and don't want conflict with Russia knowing fine well membership of NATO will cause grief. Many Ukrainians are tired of their country being in conflict and conscription. They want jobs not just any old job a job in the EU and many want to build homes in Ukraine by earning good wages in EU, many Ukrainians love their country and culture, and don't want it to change (apart from the corruption). Just like the polish when they came to UK they sent their money home to build homes etc they enjoyed the higher wages in the UK but didn't want to buy homes their but build homes in their own country, the Romanians did the same. Why because they love their country and culture.

Many still go to Russia for work as do other ex Soviet countries. And part from the die hards or knuckle draggers, most regret 2014 and how it ended up. Nobody wanted turmoil on that level and nobody wanted the Ukrainian and Russian issues they face since then. But they also realise that it's almost too late to reverse it. And if they did reverse the issues it would jeopardise their EU membership. And that's something that they are now willing to strive for even if it means a major fallout with Russia, they are at a point of no return. Aand as my Ukrainian friends have said they are looking at falling out with Belarus as well over this. Some of my Ukrainian friends are worried that if it all goes wrong and Russia invaded that it will be the normal person on the street that will suffer while the hierarchy flee to Poland (their words not mine). Another friend has a son who is currently serving his conscription he has 3 months left and he hopes no conflict will erupt while his son is in service, he told me that when his son finishes he wants to send him out of the country to avoid being called up if conflict starts. Let me hope for him this happens.

Ukrainians thought that if any potential conflict between Russian and Ukraine that NATO would deploy vast amount of troops, armour, artillery, aircraft and ships to Ukrainian territory. But they are now seeing that's not going to happen many Ukrainians feel somewhat worried, and let down.

Those deployments to Belarus will not be used to invade Ukraine. This is not even plausible. Is Russia "hiding" them in Belorus?
That would have to be some sort of stupid joke. If these forces are going to be used, then it is to deter a NATzO military incursion
into Ukraine and/or Belorus.

NATzO is run by lunatics so their recent announcement that they will not use military force to save the Khuyiv regime could be a bluff.
I have been hearing and reading for the last 20 years how NATzO can fight a conventional war against Russia. This circle jerk echo
chamber has clearly brainwashed NATzO deciders. Russia is making sure that there are no surprises from NATzO.

In 2010 according to opinion polls conducted by western companies in Ukraine only 40% supported NATzO membership.
I suppose this number could have gone up, but it is not 90% today. The clown in Kiev got elected because he promised
to normalize relations with Russia. That he lied does not mean that the electorate now wants war on Russia. It means
that the clown and his NATzO backers have no legitimacy.

They have wet dreams about Russian invading them because that would resolve all the miseries they have created, turning a normal country into a shithole.
Invade&conquer us, brother Moskals, please please please!

I can repeat that any time when needed: ones who wishes Russia to get Ukraine, must really hate Russia.
This shithole is useless.
Just let them live till they die.

A nazi provocation in Donbass, followed by a volley of let's say 100 Kalibrs, smashing into Rada, presidential palace, and all the know location of nazbats, but leaving the army intact for a moment.
Yeah, that would be a useful lesson for all and a quite clear message.