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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:34 pm

    Tons of Russian capital, both privat&corporate, returned to Russia already due to laws they put into operation a few years ago.
    Long story short, they granted a fiscal pardon for all the assets .. lets say, not fully legal Laughing ... if you will return it to the Russian financial jurisdiction.
    As the whole action was combined with the amok on ze Wezt about blocking&sanctioning the Russian assets abroad, the trains of cash run back into Russia.
    Must find the hard data for the matter, as simply don't remember details and wont play a smartass, but really huge money we talk about, and really, really big business. Sometimes, quite unexpected, as I remember that some really potent metallurgical corpos were the ones who joined ...
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:40 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Tons of Russian capital, both privat&corporate, returned to Russia already due to laws they put into operation a few years ago.
    Long story short, they granted a fiscal pardon for all the assets .. lets say, not fully legal Laughing  ... if you will return it to the Russian financial jurisdiction.
    As the whole action was combined with the amok on ze Wezt about blocking&sanctioning the Russian assets abroad, the trains of cash run back into Russia.
    Must find the hard data for the matter, as simply don't remember details and wont play a smartass, but really huge money we talk about, and really, really big business. Sometimes, quite unexpected, as I remember that some really potent metallurgical corpos were the ones who joined ...

    Russia has cancelled the double taxation treaties with Cyprus and Holland which has removed much of the value for these offshores for
    Russian business.

    Russia has been purging the offshore racketeering since the the early 2000s and the "raskulachevanya" of Khodorkovsky and other
    gangster oligarchs. The measures in recent years have been more of a cherry on top of the cake.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Pacense wrote:Word on the street is that there are at least 1T USD worth of assets ready to be taken from Russians in the west. Some even say that number can reach out 3T USD. That number might seem impossible to reach but if we consider all types os assets as real estate, shares, gold, bank accounts, etc, it might easily reach that number. SWIFT disconnection and tech boycott, is not even an issue any longer, it's already consider done.

    A backclash from Russian people to those measures seems likely, but the "lets punish Putin and his inner circle only" just seems not enough now from the west perspective in the event of a war....

    Average Russian doesn't have shit in foreign banks nor any property abroad and would love nothing more than see those who do get taken to the cleaners

    Also any rich bitch who does have anything abroad will instantly lose any influence he has the moment he loses money, nobody asks beggars for opinions

    Plus if anyone is was dumb enough to still keep money abroad doesn't deserve to have it

    The irony is that's usually the West's agent's of influence that are in the position to have massive wealth overseas. Seriously that would be cutting off their nose in spite of their faces lol! Razz

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    Post  franco Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:13 pm

    General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the shortage of ammunition and fuel in the Ukrainian army

    Colonel-General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Igor Kolesnik said that the Ukrainian army is now experiencing a serious shortage of many types of ammunition, including bulletproof vests, helmets and fuel. According to him, the army also lacks means of protection, in connection with which the general expressed hope for the help of Western partners in solving this problem, as well as covering the lack of ammunition.

    “We know that there is practically no strategic and operational stock of fuels and lubricants. For some types of ammunition, there is a shortage,” Kolesnik said on the air of the Apostrophe TV channel.

    Earlier, a former employee of the Security Service of Ukraine, Volodymyr Mulyk, said that the weapons supplied by the UK to Kiev to allegedly "deter Russian aggression" were expired. According to him, in this regard, weapons should be used until they become unusable. In addition, the list of weapons supplied to Ukraine by the Polish side includes anti-aircraft shells. ■

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2022262046-5TiZT.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:02 am

    The British Ministry of Defense has decided to send to Ukraine more than 100 military personnel from the special forces: the SAS Special Airborne Service, the SBS Special Forces Landing Ship Service, the Special Reconnaissance Regiment and the Special Forces Support Group. It is emphasized that the dispatch is not related to the participation of the British military in possible military operations against the Russian army, this is excluded. All military personnel sent to Ukraine will take part in the training of military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, i.е. "help and advise".

    https://en.topwar.ru/191972-otrjad-specnaznachenija-britanskoj-armii-perebroshen-na-ukrainu.html

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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:17 am

    Belarusian leader predicts when Ukraine could form Union State with Russia

    https://www.rt.com/russia/548474-lukashenko-ukraine-union-state/

    “You know, Belarus is already there, I think that there was a good lesson for Kazakhstan,” he said, referring to the violent turmoil the Central Asian country endured early in January, which prompted the Kazakh government to request a brief peacekeeping mission by the Russia-led Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).

    “If you say 15 years, I’m sure that Ukraine will be there if we don’t make any mistakes,” Lukashenko predicted.

    Don't tell that to the "Russia doesn't need Ukraine", "Russia doesn't want Ukraine", "Deadweight" crowd. Their heads may explode, splattering propaganda everywhere.

    Luka is right, they better make no mistakes cause they already made a huge blunder in 2014, and the Americans are intent on not allowing it. Wondering what the fix will be to boot out the trash from Kiev.... the political game has utterly failed, all assets neutralized by Washington and Kiev.

    At any rate, even if in 15 years some version of "Ukraine" gets to become part of the Union State, the U.S policy of containment can only be called but a success....pushing back integration, and its potential by 20 or so years.... for a few billions, cookies and the stupidity of some "bright" Kremlin men.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:36 am

    Countries that would be involved have already expressed concerns that it won't be profitable. It won't happen 😂

    "NATO Reportedly Contemplates Building New Pipeline in Bid to Reduce Dependency on Russian Gas"

    https://sputniknews.com/20220206/nato-reportedly-contemplates-building-new-pipeline-in-bid-to-reduce-dependency-on-russian-gas-1092797490.html

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    Post  littlerabbit Mon Feb 07, 2022 1:19 pm


    I need a feedback about something. On the 14th of February, Duma will consider the proposal of recognition of Donbass republics.

    Could it be the trigger for Kiev's intervention in Donbass?

    Is there a strong possibility for acceptance of this proposal, next week? scratch


    What do you guys think? dunno

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    Post  nomadski Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:54 pm

    @ Littlerabbit

    ".....I need a feedback about something. On the 14th of February, Duma will consider the proposal of recognition of Donbass republics.Could it be the trigger for Kiev's intervention in Donbass?Is there a strong possibility for acceptance of this proposal, next week? scratch What do you guys think? dunno ......."


    in my view , if without recognition , there can be no military help to save the lives of the people against an attack , then recognition is needed . Since likely that Kiev will attack , as without an attack it can not stay in power . But if help can still be provided , without recognition , then this offers advantages politically . Since present international borders remain unchanged . Forceful change of borders , should be avoided , as far as possible . My solution for any change in borders is through a public vote . But who is eligible to vote ? Well the lives of all those who will be affected by the vote . And this is not as simple to determine as it seems .

    Compare this situation to the Kurdish problem . Should Kurds only have a vote on forming separate country ? How about non-kurds , who live in Kurdish areas ? How about non-kurds who live in Syria , those that will be  cut off from neighbours by a separatist vote ? How about the people in Turkey or Iran , who will have their countries torn apart as a result of separate homeland for Syrian Kurds ? So we see that , there are consequences for many people . And they should all have a vote on the issue . And if all people in Syria and Iraq and Turkey and Iran had a say in the vote , it is obvious that there should be no separate Kurdish region or nation . We can apply this to the situation in the EU or the conflict in Israel/ Palestine  . A vote over Eastern Ukraine , should extend to Ukraine and Russia at least . Who else could be affected by a separation of Eastern Ukraine ? Certainly not the British or the Yanks !

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    Post  auslander Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:10 pm

    littlerabbit wrote: I need a feedback about something. On the 14th of February, Duma will consider the proposal of recognition of Donbass republics. Could it be the trigger for Kiev's intervention in Donbass? Is there a strong possibility for acceptance of this proposal, next week? What do you guys think?

    The orcs don't take a dump without permission from Foggy Bottom, ergo the orcs won't move a millimetre without orders from On High.

    Mother may well recognize Novorossiya as a separate entity from the land of orcs, depends on what VVP and Xi decide to do. Whatever they do, it will be well thought out and every implication and result of such a move will have been examined top to bottom and inside out before Duma pontificates and does what they are told to do. Duma handles the day to day running of the country, National and International Policy is decided in Kremlin by VVP and his quite large and multi talented team. If recognition is granted SehSha will have a fit the likes of which we haven't seen.....yet. So be it, the only thing SehSha et al has not sanctioned is the air we breath and they'd sanction that if they could. A pox on the lot of them and toss in a dose of the clap for good measure.

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:30 pm

    If the Khuyiv regime does not make a move, the Duma will not pass any resolution on recognition. Putin has been clear and consistent
    of mandatory implementation of the Minsk Agreement. Recognizing LDNR as independent breaks this Agreement. I expect the Duma
    to call on the government to supply weapons to LDNR since NATzO is brazenly supplying them to the Khyuiv regime. This does not violate the
    Agreement in any substantial form and NATzO cannot claim any high ground.

    It is highly likely that Washington's puppets in Khuyiv will make a move since Biden's regime is hyper-invested in provoking a war both
    for domestic reasons and for undermining Russia.

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    Post  Azi Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:02 pm

    Hey guys...ONE serious question!

    If I am to believe Western media, 90% of Ukrainians are for their regime and want to fight. Almost everyone hates Russia and would fight to the last drop of blood. So that's it for representation in the western media. Don't forget that the Nazis in Ukraine have one of the largest troll armies in the world. A lot of disinformation can be spread linked to the trolls of the British and US.

    But what is the real situation there? Are there reliable sources that describe the correct situation? Do any of you have contacts in Ukraine?

    I personally find it difficult to estimate. My impression is that the picture shown in the media does not correspond to reality...but I don't know that many people from the region either.
    I know the history of the region, how people generally think. But now, in a very specific situation, it is difficult to assess how much sympathy there is for Russia in the eastern and central regions of Ukraine. After all, there was years of brainwashing by the Nazis.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:38 pm

    Well of course media lies. They lie everywhere but west's and Ukraines are a particular bad.

    Anyway, most of the pro Russians have left Ukraine. The Ukrainians who remained either: 1) Support Banderaites (2) don't care who rules them (3)Too poor to leave or can't leave for some sort of reason and (4)Old and can't do much anyway.

    Polls don't mean much in Ukraine either as they can be skewed in any way possible for pro this or that.

    But I guess last polls show about 50% support the nonsense and other half don't. So it's an even split to which I don't believe. May be less people support it so they were able to skew the numbers whichever way and average person just doesn't care anymore about their conditions.

    Believe it or not, there comes a point where the local population just stops caring about what happens to them and their economy as they live in the situation long enough. We see this all over the world. So maybe 100% of population may not agree with the regime but they fall under the "I won't do anything cause I don't care".

    Like us Canadians and liberals. We all hate Justin Trudeau and we may get some angry protestors, but in the end, he will be voted again. People here are that dumb.

    Now I think about it, Ukrainians and Canadians have a lot in common after all see as a huge portion of them live here and are of the Banderite clan too.

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    Post  Krepost Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:42 pm

    Unconfirmed reports that the cruiser Moskva will sail to the Mediterranean to join her sister-ships Varyag and Marshal Ustinov.
    This is to confront the Harry Truman aircraft carrier battlegroup.
    Would be nice to have a picture of the 3 cruisers together.



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    Post  Singular_Transform Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:14 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:

    Don't tell that to the "Russia doesn't need Ukraine", "Russia doesn't want Ukraine", "Deadweight" crowd. Their heads may explode, splattering propaganda everywhere.

    Luka is right, they better make no mistakes cause they already made a huge blunder in 2014, and the Americans are intent on not allowing it. Wondering what the fix will be to boot out the trash from Kiev.... the political game has utterly failed, all assets neutralized by Washington and Kiev.

    At any rate, even if in 15 years some version of "Ukraine" gets to become part of the Union State, the U.S policy of containment can only be called but a success....pushing back integration, and its potential by 20 or so years.... for a few billions, cookies and the stupidity of some "bright" Kremlin men.

    The 2014 CIA coup was the biggest blunder of the USA.

    That was a tactical win, and a strategical loss for the USA.


    They win Ukraine for a time, and they created a cornered enemy, Russia.

    After that they started Syria, accelerated all military procurment and reform, get closer to China , and become very active and pushy against all USA interest.

    Without Ukraine the MIC and the Russian goverment / people would be tied up with "how to get more cash and be more corrupt" .

    Now they want to tide up.

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