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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31

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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:15 pm

    Nice for Russia.

    They already got access to plenty of western toys back when the invincible-nato-supported-and-armed-supposed-to-won-but-no-one-knows-why-they-lost- dunno -in-the-west georgians miserably lost.

    Let's hope they send some f-35. lol1

    Lot of gift for free for russian MiC engineers.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:41 pm

    https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1481259515962179584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1481259515962179584%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdefencehub.live%2Fthreads%2Fukraine-russia-conflict.3279%2Fpage-38

    Imagine getting into a nuclear war for Ukraine.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:45 pm

    The Weasle is on his way out anyway. Who cares what he says?

    Russia will make sure it does what it needs to for its survival. None of the NATO states have enough weaponry to be able to prevent a Russian onslaught.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:35 pm

    Who cares about Stoltenburger ? He is a parrot repeating the propaganda CD put in his ass.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:00 pm

    Stoltenberg is an absolute clown.

    Us Europeans with gas shortages see Stoltenberg:
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 8 2904110

    How Russia sees Stoltenberg:
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 8 Xvxyj810

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:23 am

    Isos wrote:Who cares about Stoltenburger ? He is a parrot repeating the propaganda CD put in his ass.

    Yeah seriously, of all Brussels apparatchiks Stoltenburg is the most pathetic one by far

    Meter-maid who pretends that he is police commissioner

    Only people more pathetic than him are the ones who think that he is in any way shape or form relevant

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:40 am

    There are some rumblings that the Biden regime is cooperating more than expected in the talks. Ray Mcgovern is bullish on the talks.

    https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc3ByZWFrZXIuY29tL3Nob3cvMjk3NjI1NS9lcGlzb2Rlcy9mZWVk/episode/aHR0cHM6Ly9hcGkuc3ByZWFrZXIuY29tL2VwaXNvZGUvNDgyNTg2NzY?ep=14

    This is a dangerous omen. Watch out for false flags. This is when they always happen. Be on alert.
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    Post  VARGR198 Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:52 am

    https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1481297079460847620

    I rather enjoyed the Russian Embassy UK's response to this article.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:25 am

    VARGR198 wrote:https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/1481297079460847620

    I rather enjoyed the Russian Embassy UK's response to this article.

    Yeah, that was pretty funny.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:35 am

    I never claimed what my rank or position was but by your definition, every major power on earth are Nazi's has each country has killed people defending their own land at one point or another.

    Why must you make such stupid remarks?

    You claim to work for the most evil country on the planet, that currently is trying to equate the Soviets with the Nazis to justify their hate campaign... treating their enemies like they are nothing... just things in your way... it is not the cuddly friendly model you try to hide behind... spreading freedom and democracy by destroying freedom and democracy where ever you go...

    I was not familiar with that computer game or franchise and I thought your avatar looked nazi related too... and I thought the abbreviation for you name was a bit suspect too... I mean ... SS...

    Your allies in the Ukraine and Baltic countries love that shit too... there are lots of western units caught with nazi type symbols and being made to change them.

    The head admin on this forum going "well he's kinda like a nazi, cause he's from the US hur hur" have some standards real Piece of trash move to go there and you know it.

    A member on this forum made a mistaken assumption and was abused for it.... I just pointed out the mistake was not that impossible to make.

    It is the US that is making itself an enemy of Russia... not the other way around.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:07 am

    GarryB wrote:
    A member on this forum made a mistaken assumption and was abused for it.

    Yes,...sorry for any misunderstanding on my part.
    I should have, like my own advice given. done this trough PM instead of an public thread.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:28 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/545948-putin-ukraine-crisis-worsens/

    Putin briefed on military options, the fact this is publicly announced signals a commitment to punishing NATO. Fireworks flying soon!
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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:42 pm

    Russia is choosing not to have any leverage in these talks and its annoying to watch. If the US is violating your Monroe doctrine then you violate theirs.

    Send a few il76 transport planes to Cuba. Then some to Venezuela. Then Nicuragua. That will get their attention. Hold some special forces exercises in these countries. Is Russia doing anything in these countries lately ?

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    Post  Isos Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:48 pm

    Backman wrote:Russia is choosing not to have any leverage in these talks and its annoying to watch. If the US is violating your Monroe doctrine then you violate theirs.

    Send a few il76 transport planes to Cuba. Then some to Venezuela. Then Nicuragua. That will get their attention. Hold some special forces exercises in these countries. Is Russia doing anything in these countries lately ?


    Why should they.

    It was worth back in the 50s when the ICBM were non existant. Now they have everything they need to destroy USA from Russia.

    Ukrainians choosed some neo nazi to harass russians. When you know history you know it is stupid. Now just face consequencies.

    Nato is barking but they aren't moving any force to counter Russia and there are already rumours that the "sanctions" will be just for the show and not to affect russian economy.

    Ukrainians are used like puppets to re-enforce nato propaganda about the bad russian that wants to take over europe. US are pushing all this to war just to grab europe even more. It's a shame to have those dickheads at power.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:06 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Backman wrote:Russia is choosing not to have any leverage in these talks and its annoying to watch. If the US is violating your Monroe doctrine then you violate theirs.

    Send a few il76 transport planes to Cuba. Then some to Venezuela. Then Nicuragua. That will get their attention. Hold some special forces exercises in these countries. Is Russia doing anything in these countries lately ?


    Why should they.

    It was worth back in the 50s when the ICBM were non existant. Now they have everything they need to destroy USA from Russia.

    Ukrainians choosed some neo nazi to harass russians. When you know history you know it is stupid. Now just face consequencies.

    Nato is barking but they aren't moving any force to counter Russia and there are already rumours that the "sanctions" will be just for the show and not to affect russian economy.

    Ukrainians are used like puppets to re-enforce nato propaganda about the bad russian that wants to take over europe. US are pushing all this to war just to grab europe even more. It's a shame to have those dickheads at power.

    Why should they ? Because that's where the leverage is. Russia looks weak by not bringing it closer to the US. The US isn't concerned about Russia's nuclear threat. If it was, it wouldn't be walking over Russian red lines.

    If anything , this situation proves that we can have wars between great powers in the nuclear age. Because the US is walking over Russia's red lines.

    Bringing it to the US's backyard is something only Russia could do. By not doing it , it looks like a typical have-not state that the US fucks with for fun. Like Iran

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    Post  AZ-5 Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:51 pm

    Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:00 am

    AZ-5 wrote:Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.


    Clearly, lined up like that, not expecting the RuAF any time soon.


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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:00 am

    AZ-5 wrote:Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 8 Sukhoi10

    I think if Russia invades anywhere, it will be Odessa. The Ukraine and Moldova put a blockade on Pridnestrovie at the beginning of the year and things there could get critical

    However Putin knows his judo and the Russian military knows its Sun Tzu. They're not going to attack a target that everyone expects them to, at a time everyone expects them to, from a direction everyone expects them to.

    Russia also doesn't have any legal grounds to invade the Ukraine, nor a justification to do so before its own people.

    It may be that a rebellion or insurgency is launched in the Ukraine. But overall I hope we stay out of there, and the Ukrainian elites or Moldova figures out that blockading Pridnestrovie is a bad idea.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:00 am

    However Putin knows his judo and the Russian military knows its Sun Tzu. They're not going to attack a target that everyone expects them to, at a time everyone expects them to, from a direction everyone expects them to.

    Would normally agree, but if this is a token move to basically tell the US to back the **** off then attacking the obvious target at an expected time from expected directions.... and totally wiping the floor with them... would be the message such a move was intended to deliver from the start.

    Having said that I don't think Russia will start anything... time is completely on their side... the longer this draws out the more desperate the situation becomes for Kiev... Ukraine hasn't been genuinely friendly to Russia for two decades now... an invasion by Russia is not going to fix it.... nor is the trillions of rubles it would take to fix the damage...

    Even the best case scenario there are no returns that could approach the costs involved and that is even ignoring loss of life potential.

    I think the stupid sanctions the west would impose would be extra good for Russia.... banning Apple products... who cares... they are a monopoly that needs competition anyway... banning Russia from Swift... Russia should withdraw from Swift and demand countries that trade with it join their money system so they can profit from it instead of Europe making all the money... what else is there?

    Russia also doesn't have any legal grounds to invade the Ukraine, nor a justification to do so before its own people.

    X10.

    It may be that a rebellion or insurgency is launched in the Ukraine. But overall I hope we stay out of there, and the Ukrainian elites or Moldova figures out that blockading Pridnestrovie is a bad idea.

    Don't let a good opportunity go begging... just say that invasion is not on the cards unless for humanitarian reasons to overcome an illegal blockade... the west has been justifying its military invasions and violence on humanitarian grounds for decades now...
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    Post  AZ-5 Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:46 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.

    The Situation in the Ukraine. #31 - Page 8 Sukhoi10

    I think if Russia invades anywhere, it will be Odessa. The Ukraine and Moldova put a blockade on Pridnestrovie at the beginning of the year and things there could get critical

    However Putin knows his judo and the Russian military knows its Sun Tzu. They're not going to attack a target that everyone expects them to, at a time everyone expects them to, from a direction everyone expects them to.

    Russia also doesn't have any legal grounds to invade the Ukraine, nor a justification to do so before its own people.

    It may be that a rebellion or insurgency is launched in the Ukraine. But overall I hope we stay out of there, and the Ukrainian elites or Moldova figures out that blockading Pridnestrovie is a bad idea.

    Russia will loose major face if they let Transnistria get choked by Moldova-Ukraine, but she might try to play the Gagauz card in Moldovan politics to keep that in check.
    Going to the Ukrainian side (Budjak), that place is >60% non-Ukrainian. It's got a Crimea vibe. Many Russians actually live there and Bulgars.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:51 am

    Actually, russia may have full rights to make sure products like medicine get into the region, regardless what Ukraine does. As we all know, no one will save Ukraine and Russia can easily take Odessa to force open the border there.
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    Post  Isos Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.


    Clearly, lined up like that, not expecting the RuAF any time soon.

    It's not like they could face russian air force. Russia has tested its EW system against their own su-27 and mig-29 since they operate them. They know very well they are safe from any ukrainian jet.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:52 pm

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.


    Clearly, lined up like that, not expecting the RuAF any time soon.

    It's not like they could face russian air force. Russia has tested its EW system against their own su-27 and mig-29 since they operate them. They know very well they are safe from any ukrainian jet.

    I don't think Ukraine has much an AF left. Hence why they use turkroach drones.
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    Post  Godric Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:50 pm

    fun in games will start in 18 months time when Scotland votes to leave the UK, rUK will lose £120 billion over 30 years on defence spending and if expected Wales and N Ireland follows suit that figure becomes around £250 billion over 30 years £45 billion more than the lifetime cost of Trident 2 meaning England will not be able to afford to have Nukes and afford to run 2 super carriers and to top it off NATZO will lose control over the southern half of the Atlantic Gap as it falls into Scottish maritime waters and London will lose it's seat on the UN permanent security council without Scotland's support without either Scotland or England there is no UK

    even if it's just Scotland that leaves the UK London will have a £120 billion defence blackhole over 30 years, no seat in the UN security council and NATZO and London loses control over half of the Atlantic gap as Scotland will not be a NATZO member

    and we will be the Ire of America

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    Post  AZ-5 Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:01 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.


    Clearly, lined up like that, not expecting the RuAF any time soon.

    It's not like they could face russian air force. Russia has tested its EW system against their own su-27 and mig-29 since they operate them. They know very well they are safe from any ukrainian jet.

    I don't think Ukraine has much an AF left. Hence why they use turkroach drones.

    Their Flankers are a capable opponent, but's there's less than 30 of them.
    I bet if -S- hits the fan those aircraft will operate from western bases, under cover from NATO air defense and AWACS.

    Isos wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    AZ-5 wrote:Interestingly Odessa airport got 4 Su-27s on guard duty.


    Clearly, lined up like that, not expecting the RuAF any time soon.

    It's not like they could face russian air force. Russia has tested its EW system against their own su-27 and mig-29 since they operate them. They know very well they are safe from any ukrainian jet.

    The only thing unclear on the Russian side is whether they got R-77s in sufficiect numbers. To clear them off the skies.

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