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    Post  Mir Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:00 am

    Of course you can shoot down an airship, but you can also shoot down an AWACS 747... but that has never happened AFAIK.

    Because there are no AWACS 747's to shoot down Wink Laughing
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    Post  nomadski Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:27 am

    Shoot down for balloon no problem , as long as Radar survives . Parachute down , and send up again ! Housing for RADAR  , can be like Awacs . Material can be chosen that resist fragmentation but allow Radio to pass through ? Slack in the line , will allow Balloon to change height rapidly ? Use older Radar with different characteristics and save new Radar for mass attacks .


    Edit : Only the Radar dish or elements need be in The air . Connection to electronics by wire or wireless to ground . The Radar elements may even be designed to be replaced quickly if damaged or work well with slight damage ?

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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:20 am

    A salvo of Smerch MLRS and that thing is dead.

    Drones will also be very good against it.

    A radar to be effective needs to be at good distance from the front.

    For protecting the rears, you can just send your radar on a hill where it will be just as good.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Nov 08, 2021 8:08 pm

    ISOS wrote :

    ".......A salvo of Smerch MLRS and that thing is dead.Drones will also be very good against it.A radar to be effective needs to be at good distance from the front.For protecting the rears, you can just send your radar on a hill where it will be just as good......."

    I am not Radar Engineer . But purely from logical point of view , we could say that almost any Radar apparatus is vulnerable to attack . Everything else being equal , an underground Radar base is most protected , for obvious reasons . However the Radar Antenae needs to be above ground . Agree about Radar being deep inside defensive lines , with AA and SAM stationed ahead to intercept incoming . Topography in Syria , puts high Hills to the West , near Golan and Lebanon . This means that if we want to take advantage of the height of these Hills , as in early warning Radar , that they are no longer deep inside defensive line . But near the SAM sites . Shortening the time  between detection time and  interception time . If SRBM in low trajectory , and fast , then virtually no time between detection and interception . Therefore the need for AWACS planes , or more safely or cheaply the Balloon solution . Israel is close , therefore height of Balloon needs not to be excessively high . Perhaps 2000 meters . Increasing detection time , for computers solution for firing . Design of Radar dish , could be like LEGO set . Elements breaking off during blast , without damage and collected later and inserted back into lattice . Balloon is expendible and simple Hydrogen of spherical design , aerodynamic at subsonic wind speed . Radar lattice can  be arranged to sweep or be of other kind . The SAM can be near border with Israel , be of smaller and more agile type , to intercept near border , before missile gains speed and height .


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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:09 am

    Isos wrote:I mean what's going on ? Who are they giving all that oil to ? Is the photo taken by turkish army ? Are they attacking it ? Is Russia attacking it ? Any other info about that shipement.

    That's a big juicy target there.  

    The photo is cool and show interesting events but the tweets are poor in terms of informations.

    This might help. The Russians are clearly OK with it.

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    Yesterday USA occupation forces in Syria moved a caravan of hundreds of oil tankers full of looted Syrian oil to Iraq, then Turkey, with the Zionist Colony as the final destination. This is enough oil to run all the electricity needs of Syria for months.
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    Post  crod Tue Nov 09, 2021 5:31 am

    What a real shame to see all that stolen oil depriving the Syrian people.

    isreal at it again overnight too. Looks like lots of different air defence stations in action.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:48 am

    U.S. military hid airstrikes that killed dozens of civilians in Syria -NYT

    https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/u-s-military-hid-airstrikes-that-killed-dozens-of-civilians-in-syria-nyt

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:08 am

    So they pretended they didn't kill any and every other day were announcing that the Russians were daily hitting schools and churches and hospitals...

    Congrats on managing to actually be worse than the enemy you try to demonise to justify your illegal presence in that country...

    Talk about the treatment being worse than the cure.

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    Post  Mir Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:29 pm

    The US doesn't care one bit for civilian lives. To them all civilians in any conflict are considered as terrorists. "Collateral Damage" is the closest they will ever come to admitting that they killed innocent civilians.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:36 pm

    PhSt wrote:U.S. military hid airstrikes that killed dozens of civilians in Syria -NYT

    https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/u-s-military-hid-airstrikes-that-killed-dozens-of-civilians-in-syria-nyt

    >Central Command said the strikes took place while Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) were under heavy fire and in danger of being overrun and the SDF had reported the area clear of civilians.
    And they wonder why not one of their neighbors want anything to do with them...

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:02 pm

    "self-defence"

    "armed children"

    Mad Mad Mad

    https://www.rt.com/usa/540267-pentagon-syria-legitimate-strike/

    US military defends strikes on ‘armed’ women & children


    A US military spokesperson has defended a series of strikes on civilians in Syria, which killed 80 people including women and children, claiming they were in self-defense and that no disciplinary measures were necessary.


    US Central Command told the New York Times that it “was not clear” whether they were civilians “in part because women and children in the Islamic State sometimes took up arms.”
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:23 pm

    They have struck armed women and children?
    Shit, they have bombed Texas? Shocked

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:53 am

    Absolutely pathetic.

    Innocent civilians could have turned into terrorists by taking up arms so that made them legitimate targets in war.

    I am sure the police would love to use that one... lock everyone up because statistically speaking everyone is going to break the law eventually so save time and go straight to jail for everyone...

    The very idea they thought they could use that as an excuse for not punishing a war crime... no surprise Assange is in jail and Snowden is in exile, the insane are running the asylum... and the media and public could care less... they are more worried about whether sports people take a knee before a game for black lives matter.

    Maybe there should be a group called WLM... white lies matter because they are clearly killing people...
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:39 pm

    Could be getting closer to SAMs chasing them home.

    LEB news Flag of Lebanon
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    ● A Syrian military source: The Israeli enemy carried out an air aggression with bursts of missiles from the direction northeast of Beirut, targeting some points in the central region, and the air defenses shot down most of the missiles

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    2 Syrian civilians and 2 soldiers were killed, and 8 injured in #Homs when #Israel jets fired missiles from the Lebanese air space.

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    A Syrian air defense missile fired toward Israeli jets amid the strike in central Syria overnight, exploded off the coast of Haifa, Channel 12 reports.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:34 pm

    We all believed that this was happening but worth quoting here in full. They weren't even operating out of the US, this was local.

    The New York Times (NYT) has revealed that a top secret US cell known as Talon Anvil sidestepped safeguards and repeatedly ordered airstrikes that killed an untold number of civilians in Syria under the guise of targeting ISIS fighters. According to the report published on 12 December, the shadowy group operated from anonymous rooms “cluttered with flat screens” in three shifts around the clock between 2014 and 2019.

    Among US officials, Talon Anvil was known to disregard safeguard procedures to function at the “speed of war,” and obscured a countless number of civilian deaths including farmers trying to harvest, children in the street, families fleeing fighting, and villagers taking shelter in buildings.

    The NYT report also claims that Talon Anvil played an “outsize role” in the dropping of over 100,000 bombs in the war-torn country. “They were ruthlessly efficient and good at their jobs … but they also made a lot of bad strikes,” a former Air Force intelligence officer who worked on hundreds of classified Talon Anvil missions told the NYT.

    Among the many bombing campaigns that Talon Anvil was responsible for is the 2019 airstrike in the eastern Syrian governorate of Dayr al-Zawr which killed over 60 civilians, including dozens of women and children. This particular attack has been described as being “part of a pattern of reckless strikes that started years earlier.”

    US Air Force officials who spoke with the NYT on condition of anonymity said that over the years they notified their commanding officers several times about Talon Anvil’s disregard for civilian lives. However, the military leaders seemed reluctant to scrutinize the strike cell as it was “driving the offensive” on the battlefield.

    According to Larry Lewis, a former Pentagon and State Department adviser, every year that Talon Anvil operated in Syria the civilian casualty rate increased significantly. Lewis also claims that US military commanders “enabled the tactics by failing to emphasize the importance of reducing civilian casualties.” He singles out General Stephen J. Townsend, who commanded US troops in Syria in 2016 and 2017, as being “dismissive of widespread reports from news media and human rights organizations describing the mounting toll.”

    Talon Anvil’s operations were highly classified and the strike cell as a whole never existed in an official manner. It was run by a classified Special Operations unit called Task Force 9, whose other tasks included training allied Syrian and Kurdish armed groups. The strike cell reportedly worked out of “bland office spaces” both in Iraq and Syria and were in control of a “fleet of Predator and Reaper drones that bristled with precision Hellfire missiles and laser-guided bombs.”

    They carried out most of their operations based on tips from allied forces, secret electronic intercepts, drone cameras, and other information to find enemy targets.

    A former member of Talon Anvil told the NYT that the strike cell often decided that something was an enemy target with scant supporting evidence. But as suspicion mounted over their tactics, Talon Anvil began to classify nearly all of its attacks as defensive – even when targets were 100 miles away from the front lines. “It’s more expedient to resort to self-defense,” said Lewis. “It’s easier to get approved.”

    The drone operators were also known to turn away the drone cameras away from targets before launching bombs or missiles to avoid accountability.

    The operators also pressured analysts, who watched drone footage after strikes had taken place, to report that they had seen weapons or other evidence that would justify a strike hit. If they refused, the cell would simply ask for another analyst.


    https://thecradle.co/Article/news/4755
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:08 am

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    Strikes by Israel reported, Syrian Ministry of Defence reports 1 soldier killed and material losses have occurred
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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:26 am

    The operators also pressured analysts, who watched drone footage after strikes had taken place, to report that they had seen weapons or other evidence that would justify a strike hit. If they refused, the cell would simply ask for another analyst.

    In other words they were teenagers playing video games who didn't think of the people they were murdering as being people.

    These are the sort of war criminals that Assange and Snowden exposed in their day, so it is not surprise they continue to murder people... wonder how long before such drones are operating in US airspace monitoring things and keeping the "peace"...
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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:27 pm



    SAA Pantsir systems took out 40 Turkish UAVs, Bayraktars and Ankas.

    Meanwhile Ukr-tards think that Bayraktar are "game changers" that allow them to take on the Russian army
    supposedly about to invade their toilet state.

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    Post  Mindstorm Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:36 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:ELINT News
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    Strikes by Israel reported, Syrian Ministry of Defence reports 1 soldier killed and material losses have occurred


    Yes, the attack is the last of a long series of almost completely or totally failed attacks by part of IAF.

    In this instance Панцирь-С1 of SAA placed at defense of Damascus international airport (usually 2 vehicles) have destroyed 7 out of 8 Delilah missiles launched by the usual squad of 4 IAF's F-16s.

    https://rg.ru/2021/12/16/kompleksy-pvo-pancir-s-sorvali-udar-izrailia-po-aeroportu-damaska.html

    As said previously for some reason IAF Humint network since half of this year has repeatedly failed to receive reliable informations on the position and movements of the few most advanced Syrian air defense vehicles and this has produced several attacks with zero munitions arriving to theirs intended targets (2 times 12 out of 12 missiles intercepted one time 8 out of 8 missile/bombs and one time 6 on 6 missiles) and much others with 1/2 munitions passing not intercepted.

    In mine opinion the most probable explanation is that a cell of moles working for Israel has been discovered among SAA's operatives but, instead of suppressing it , Syrian intelligence has used it to spread purposely false informations.

    kvs wrote:
    SAA Pantsir systems took out 40 Turkish UAVs, Bayraktars and Ankas.

    Meanwhile Ukr-tards think that Bayraktar are "game changers" that allow them to take on the Russian army
    supposedly about to invade their toilet state.

    Only scarcely knowledgeable people believe in the fairy tales about the supposed revolutionary impact of drones in this and lower weight class on the course of hostilities.

    Reality is that even few moderately advanced short range aid defense vehicles, often no more than 2 or 3, are capable to inflict criplling losses on those kind of UAVs paralising theirs activity in a matter of a day or two maximum ; this has been repeteadly proved both in Syria ,in Lybia and even in the Nagorno-Karabath conflict when the action moved too close to Armenian borders and few Тор-М2КМ - 3 vehicles - literally obliterated in few day more than half the UCAV fleet of the Azerbaijani north "hook" forcing a complete stop of theirs operations in a 30 km territorial strip.

    As said more times the greater weapon of this class of UAVs is the videos they record; those UAVs are perfect to obtain a PR, psycological and media victory over the enemy.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Dec 24, 2021 4:12 pm

    To say that a weapon with the characteristics of a Cessna is the game changer of modern war is retarded beyond words, but lots of people seem not to have the slightest grasp of how easy such targets are for even rudimentary AD. And of course they do not bother researching the military context that is the truly crucial part to applying UCAVs in a particular conflict.

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    Post  Krepost Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:17 pm

    Destruction of Syrian militants' oil refinery using loitering munitions (LANCET).

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    Post  RTN Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:28 am

    Mindstorm wrote:Yes, the attack is the last of a long series of almost completely or totally failed attacks by part of IAF.
    Russian military forces are cooperating with Israel in Syria. Israelis inform them 15 minutes before each airstrike.
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:09 am

    Mindstorm wrote:

    In mine opinion the most probable explanation is that a cell of moles working for Israel has been discovered among SAA's operatives but, instead of suppressing it , Syrian intelligence has used it to spread purposely false informations.

    Or they are primarily performative strikes, meant to puff up egos, no so much inflict military damage. Sort of like the Palestinian bottle rockets Razz

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    Post  Mindstorm Sat Dec 25, 2021 1:40 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:

    In mine opinion the most probable explanation is that a cell of moles working for Israel has been discovered among SAA's operatives but, instead of suppressing it , Syrian intelligence has used it to spread purposely false informations.

    Or they are primarily performative strikes, meant to puff up egos, no so much inflict military damage. Sort of like the Palestinian bottle rockets Razz



    In a not distant past and several years before that, IAF was capable to repeatedly execute absolutely identical attacks (4-6 F-15/F-16 delivering 8-12 missiles from Lebanon airspace) matching exactly the transition to new positions of the few SAA's Панцирь-С1 or Бук-М1Э/M2Э vehicles or attacking targets partially outside theirs coverage's footprint .

    The percentage of missiles on targets, when this situation was the rule and air defenses activated was only Оса and Стрела, was from 68 to 82% now this parameter plummeted to 7-8 %.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Dec 25, 2021 2:50 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    lyle6 wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote:

    In mine opinion the most probable explanation is that a cell of moles working for Israel has been discovered among SAA's operatives but, instead of suppressing it , Syrian intelligence has used it to spread purposely false informations.

    Or they are primarily performative strikes, meant to puff up egos, no so much inflict military damage. Sort of like the Palestinian bottle rockets Razz



    In a not distant past and several years before that, IAF was capable to repeatedly execute absolutely identical attacks (4-6 F-15/F-16 delivering 8-12 missiles from Lebanon airspace) matching exactly the transition to new positions of the few SAA's Панцирь-С1 or Бук-М1Э/M2Э vehicles or attacking targets partially outside theirs coverage's footprint .

    The percentage of missiles on targets, when this situation was the rule and air defenses activated was only Оса and Стрела, was from 68 to 82% now this parameter plummeted to 7-8 %.


    You will be right at the statement with the traitors. Syria has probably received help with the spionage defense from Iran and changed processes in the leadership of the air defense overall.

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