Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #4

We were once promised that the jab would stop the virus in it's tracks.

For fucks sake get over yourself... if your house caught fire the normal thing to do would be to try to put water on it to stop the fire... the people running with the buckets might not realise because of all the illegal chemicals you have in your house that throwing water around in the house might make things worse.

Nobody knew what to do and for the countries that did **** all like the US and UK they certainly paid a price.

By now we should know it's not true.

How exactly do we know what is true... remember all teh current statistics are being kept by immoral evil hospitals that get funding for Covid deaths so their numbers cannot be trusted... and famous peoples views are given the same or more weight than actual experts... and of course many of those experts work for companies that require access to drugs... are they really going to be 100% honest and shit where they eat?

The core problem is you have basically two sides not interested in the actual truth just all wanting to be right... but ignoring anything proving them to be wrong which means they can't be right.

Those that spread Omicron around the world were fully jabbed travelers and tourists.

Bullshit... the virus had already fully spread around the world to every country before omicron even existed... most of the different variants originated from different locations too and spread from there... so essentially lack of lockdowns is why it spreads... but lockdowns is communism and nazism all combined together and anyone suggesting that should be lynched... despite isolation and quarantine is standard procedure to prevent the spread of contagions...

The unvaxxed mortals are not allowed to travel the globe.

For the first 8 months of the pandemic there were no vaxxed people and that is when it spread to the corners of the globe.

We all know that none of the jabs will stop the spread of the virus, but thanks to Omicron we now have herd immunity.

Being unvaxinated will likely maximise the negative effects when you get the virus... and which one are you going to get... because not only are they all out there, but new ones will be brewing all the time...

Omicron seems to be mild but the next gen might be worse... Omicrons effects might not appear for years... the big rich pharma companies have had time to study the virus and could have weaponised it... make it seem weak and in 5 years you all become infertile... in five years time who is going to link and omicron infection with infertility.... it is so mild you might not even notice you got it.

Got to hand it to Bill... he really gets the job done doesn't he.

It is now fact that your own natural immune system is far better than any amount of jabs and boosters you may take in future.

What a stupid thing to say... honestly.

If natural immunity was better than vaccines then there would never have ever been a need for any vaccines at all.

Why do you think natural immunity would stop the transmission of the virus?

If Natural Immunity protected you from anything at all then how could anyone die from any virus.

If only people with weak immunities could die then why have so many other people died from this and other viruses.

Pity you screwed your own censored natural immune system by injecting these experimental drugs.

My natural immunity is fine.

Is that an attempted racial slur!?

No.

Pot calling the Kettle Black is a normal common western saying.... the implication being you are the pot and I am the kettle and my response ... no, you (are) black, is clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle black and the kettle (me) responding by saying no I am not, you are black.

Garry in fairness you need to calm TF down.

I am having a discussion, you are the one that thinks this is an argument.

Firstly I'm very sorry to hear if your family genuinely did get killed by drunk drivers.

Some were the drunk drivers... one was drunk in a pub and got into an argument and rather than go down there and shoot everyone he went half way and thought the better of it and just shot himself.

Not a fan of booze myself.

Secondly, I am actually a very sensible driver. And have been every day since not long after I passed my test. (Which is getting on 2 decades now). As an aside, for a very short while, when newly qualified, I was a pretty wild driver... on a few v rare occassions, when I was a kid. (Lots of kids have been unfortunately) I think driving fast in built up areas is a very cuntish thing to do, and would likely slap someone for doing it if I saw it. And I have no desire to take drugs or drink before driving (I actually hate driving and find it a pain in the neck btw).

Everyone makes mistakes and has to grow up... congratulations on surviving your mistakes. The way your phrased what you did seemed to be that you were proud of what you did.

My cousin was not a drink driver... he liked to drive fast and was in to street racing... till one night he as in a race and the other guy pulled in front of him and crossed into his lane... driving at high speed he changed lanes a few times to get in front but the other guy was in front and moved to block him each time... then a drunk woman stepped out in front of them all dressed in black leather waving to get their attention... the guy in front swerved and avoided her but my cousin had no chance... he wasn't drinking, she was. He spent the next 10 years in jail for manslaughter. I am sure he will tell you it wasn't worth it now but before that happened he wouldn't listen to you telling him it was dangerous... he was a great driver...

The point is, as I mentioned. U might not have died from the vax. BUt plenty of others have. Saying "its fine, because it hasn't killed me" is just like saying "drink driving is fine because it hasn't killed me".

When the only posts on this thread are about second cousins or neighbours whose arms have fallen off because they got vaccinated then it creates a slanted view, so I posted my own experience. I have told no one they have to get vaccinated. I just shared my experience. I have banned no one for their views of vaccination.

I gave Vann a temporary ban for accusing me of some how profiting from big pharma poisoning the world, and saying I like to see children die and other nonsense.

I have also banned Vann for telling people to commit suicide in the past, so this is not a new experience for him.

Some people act like children and don't understand rules or don't think they apply to them.

Drink driving is illegal... whether it kills you or anyone else, it is something that can get you put in jail or lose your licence and all sorts of other consequences that you are going to regret time and time again.

Doesn't matter how sorry you are afterwards... you can't undo it.

Obfuscating the truth about the risks and harms of the virus is bad. Harrassing people into taking the vax is bad. As bad as drink driving perhaps. Perhaps worse (We don't know the exact stats yet due to medium and long term factors). I'm not saying u have harrassed people or anything, of course not. But saying "it didn't kill me" is quite a flippant/dismissive way to look at it in the f ace of the evidence yes?

I stated the truth as it relates to me and my position... I live in a country with a population of 5 million with a very large portion of that population are vaccinated.... and officially 53 deaths.

People have been trickling in to the country over the last two to three years, they are the main source of any outbreaks we do have, but by and large we have kept it under control.

You think it is a bad thing... going back to drink driving... some people support prohibition on alcohol because so many people lose control and can't be trusted with it. Personally if I never drank alcohol again in my life I would not be upset but I recognise there are plenty of others who would not want to live in such a society.

The costs in terms of deaths and injuries, and also policing... part of the reason the cops are happy to arrest drunk drivers is because they go to the accidents with injured and dead people and they know what they just prevented by taking that selfish idiot off the road.

We have a anti speeding advert here where a guy has been pulled over for speeding and he tells the cop... its OK he knows the road so going fast is fine. The cop replies he knows this road quite well too and the view jumps to him visiting a woman to tell her a family member has been killed in an accident. When it goes back to the guy getting speeding ticket it is hard to take his side.

On most topics, you've actually been one of my favourite posters, prob alongside Auslander. But on this topic you are far wide of the mark. I'm not some "lizard people" conspiracy theorist. But I'm not actually sure how far the evil goes with Covid. Either way, something very sinister has occurred under the control of Big Pharma.
Regards

I don't know anyone with whom I agree with on everything.... I don't care if you don't trust big pharma... their actions and history... I don't trust them... they don't deserve trust. But the very idea they are trying to kill us all... their customers... is a bit of a stretch.

As I have said... given the opportunity I would have chosen the Chinese or Russian jabs because their focus was health and their people and not profit and control, but beggars can't be choosers and so far the track record here in New Zealand is not bad at all... despite the doomsayers.

This post regarding drink driving etc is rather more mature and sensible and restores some of my respect for you, your previous two posts seemed rather emotional and irrational.

I am impressed with those saying I am wrong and making fun of my decisions.... must be amazing being able to sift through all the shit available on the internet and actually be able to immediately know what is truth and what is lies, I must say I look at people arguing... and they are arguing rather than discussing, and I wonder if they even care what the real truth actually is.

They cherry pick things that support their view and totally ignore anything that contradicts that view.

PS Jacinda Arden is a POS who should be rotting in jail.

She is the virtue signalling leader of the free world... the pinnacle of the west... she isn't old, she isn't a man... she is white, but she is also an unmarried mother.... and anyone who thinks I like her needs to take in to account that she confiscated and destroyed a perfectly good AK and M4 carbine and FN FAL in my collection... that were no threat to anyone at all.

I hate the bitch with a passion, but that is not to say everything she does is wrong... I think up until now she has been quite good regarding the pandemic... but now we are vaccinated and boosted... well everyone is who wants to be... so I think they should open the borders and let the virus in... we are as prepared for it as we could ever be and if we cut ourselves off and the damn virus just keeps trickling in it just means we need more boosters and then next virus might be worse... who knows what combinations might result in... a new version that spreads like omnicron but is as lethal as delta...

One funny thing about freedom is everybody instantly becomes happier.
People seem to be greeting each other more and smiling more (and of course now you can actually tell that they're smiling). Also the streets, shops and restaurants filled up like it's the height of summer.

I haven't had to wear a mask until recently... when it first broke out there was a first lockdown for a month and then about a year later there was another outbreak, but otherwise things have been rather normal here for me.

That is why I am dead against small children wearing these masks - and over here they have to wear it for hours on end whilst in school.

I bet halloween sucks at your place....

hey can speed up ,the genocide of most world population or slower it ,their killing of people depending how aware population it is . if western pharma notice , the popularity of their vaccines going down , and too many people being killed , and being reported by doctors.. they can completely halt the poisoning , and give a pause to the genocide for up to 1 year until things calm down ,and then they "investigate " and find it was a machine during production of the vaccine that "mixed wrongly the ingredients ",that is to blame.. "but that now is fixed " .
Only those aware of how evil they are , and what they have been doing for a very long time ,will not fall for any of their tricks.. no matter which deceptive tactics they use.

Thanks for the entertainment Vann.

Can I ask... now considering these big pharma companies make the prescription drugs in pharmacies and supermarkets and that doctors prescribe to patients... if they want to decimate the worlds population why are they doing it through these vaccines... surely you want to kill off the weak and the elderly so you would poison the medication of the weak and elderly... but then if the real plan is to reduce the whole worlds population surely you would start knocking off the foreigners first so put the poison in the anti AIDS medicine and the anti malaria drugs... why would they make it so easy to escape their trap because you live in a poor country that can't afford those expensive vaccines?

When you look hard enough you will find conspiracies... but sometimes you have to ask yourself if they make any real sense.

Big Pharma and even western governments are a bunch of I totally agree with you on that, and I have fun winding some members up by not denying that the moon landing was a hoax... I think they are too incompetent to successfully fake that, just like I disagree with Atlasclub that the west is controlling the world... they couldn't organise an orgy in a whorehouse, but that does not mean I like or support them... they probably would have if they had the chance and the capacity... except in this case I don't think that.

Big Pharma is making huge profits selling their shit right now... why would they kill the golden goose by killing off even a percentage of the population... especially when there is competition from other countries and companies that might not be so lethal which is going to show down the track when the stats are in... when western shit killed 5% of those taking it and the Chinese and Russian and Indian and other vaccines didn't kill anyone that was not already going to die anyway then that is going to be a real hit for that company in financial terms.

Now obviously with news reporters being useless propaganda specialists CNN and BBC and Fox News are not going to notice, but Al jizz or RT or perhaps a Chinese news agency might notice and start reporting it.

Bad publicity is bad for income and existing and future contracts.

Perhaps you should read my post more carefully as I was specifically referring to the spread of the Omicron variant...

You said Omicron was spread by vaccinated people, with no evidence at all... outside of the west the rest of the world has a 2% vaccination rate or worse.... the idea that vaccinated people in the west are the problem is stupid... if most of the worlds population was vaccinated and boosted most politicians would say.... hey Omicron is not as dangerous and while it spreads the fastest it is not the most lethal... with out population... especially our most vulnerable, vaccinated we could probably stop worrying about lockdowns and other limits and just let this new mild version spread so everyone gets it... the vaccinations and boosters should have prepared peoples immunities to the point where it is not problem and deaths or hospitalisations are rare rather than the norm... but all the hostility to vaccinations means most countries can't do that or they are just giving up and letting it all take its course.

New Zealand was in a unique situation out on the end of the food chain with no land borders and easy control of our international flights in and out.

The vast majority of the cases we had here were people flying home and the vast majority of those were ethnic Indian citizens coming back to the safety of New Zealand after being in India visiting friends and family.

The ability to quarantine people was limited so people have been trickling in to the country the last two years where NZ citizens most of whom went over seas for big paying jobs who then lost their jobs due to covid and wanted to come home.... some of which brought the virus back with them.

Lots of mistakes were made... mixing people in quarantine who just arrived with people who had been in quarantine for 14 days are were about to be released was stupid... the new arrivals that were not symptomatic yet infecting people just given the all clear to leave... only for them to be called back 3 days later when the people they stayed a day with came down with the virus. Rookie mistakes.

But no one was 100% prepared and mistakes were made by everyone.

...when you responded >>

Must be wonderful to never be wrong or mistaken... the thing is that when you discuss something with some one and they have clearly taken a side and you bring up evidence of information that contradicts their position and they dismiss it out of hand and show you some dubious easily refuted information to further back their position... you realise they are not interested in the actual truth and just cementing the decision they already made.

When Big Pharma does that you end up with Thalidomide... an excellent anti depressant... brilliant in fact... but obviously don't prescribe it to women for anything except those proven unable to conceive children without a shadow of a doubt.

...but making a quick buck on the side is not going to hurt anyone

Big Pharma knows money is power and money is all they are interested in.

They don't care about shaping the future, they have no ideology to spread or share... they just want to keep earning money at a rate they could never actually spend even in several lifetimes.

Those that were allowed to travel were fully jabbed - that's pretty good evidence don't you think?

Not at all.

The first omicron cases were in Africa weren't they... what is their vaccination rate exactly?

Vaccinated people can still get and spread the virus - despite the promise that it is the only way to stop the virus.

Depends on what you expected stop the virus as meaning... if you thought it meant wipe the virus out... well that is one interpretation... all I was expecting the vaccine and boosters to do for me was stop me getting sick enough to need hospitalisation and serious damage to my health.

At least I can admit when I made a mistake.

When did that happen?

Yes I have seen it plenty of times in my "discussions" with you.

In that case can I suggest you take whatever blinders you are wearing off, you can see with out noticing just as you can listen without hearing.

They care about money as capital, to be more accurate. The more capital they accumulate, the more powerful they become and the less rivals can destroy or outcompete them.

I agree, their focus should be helping people, but they seem more focused on helping themselves to more money and are not interested in the truth... if they find evidence something they make has side effects worse than the problem they are treating they don't seem to do anything until it is discovered and they are forced to withdraw or change the product.... which shows they are snake oil sellers...

The humans who own these Big Pharma probably don't spend even a tiny bit of the surplus value they extracted from workingmen, but without that they are unable to maintain their domination over the society as capitalists.

Maybe that is it... maybe the lizard men alien stories are true and they truly think human kind is here to work as slaves so they can live in comfort... sadly the truth is likely they are just selfish bastards who isolate themselves from the suffering they create and pretend they are the good guys.

There have been these super rich people for a very very long time, they very rarely do anything to help anyone else... people living on the streets of Paris... who cares... some old church catches fire and promises of donations of enormous amounts of money come flooding in... how about that religion put its money where its mouth is and converted that old shack into small single person apartments for the homeless so they can get back on their feet.... but don't be silly... most of them are not even our religion...

My friend and his entire family was fully vaccinated with moderna ,

All dead are they?

Is GarryB still running this game?

I am distracting you in the hopes you will take the tin foil hats off so we can put the chips back into your heads and control you properly again.

Believe what you want, I don't care any more.

Kids don't need the COVID vaccine since they seem to have less symptoms than adults and rarely get hospitalized in the first place.

Except the ones that die from it of course...