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    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #4

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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:33 pm

    @JohninMK

    Have a quick recovery!

    https://bodyecology.com/articles/sauerkraut-is-a-superior-source-of-vitamin-c/

    I will add that the synthetic vitamin C you get in supplements is not quite the same thing as from natural sources.   A 100 g portion
    of sauerkraut (fermented cabbage) has up to 700 mg of vitamin C which is 10 times the often cited daily requirement.   Freshly squeezed
    lemon juice is a pretty good source.   Make sure not to consume sugar at the same time since sugar blocks vitamin C absorption.
    All those "healthy" juices for sale are basically sugar water.   Eat the fruit instead, but in moderation.

    Also, NAC helps since it bypasses the various chemical processing stages to form glutathione which are not always optimal due to
    genetic defects.

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    Post  Mir Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:50 pm

    Yes natural is always way better than any synthetic.

    I experienced the virus as a heavy cold with lots of flem[phlegm]. There is a gadget on the market which I think is called a salt pipe. It's a porcelain vessel with some coarse sea salt in it. It has a couple of small holes at the bottom and a large one at the top. You use it as an inhaler. It almost instantly clears up excessive flem. I made one from a 500ml plastic mineral water bottle but the porcelain one would be better but it worked great.
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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:03 pm

    Mir wrote:Yes natural is always way better than any synthetic.

    I experienced the virus as a heavy cold with lots of flem[phlegm]. There is a gadget on the market which I think is called a salt pipe. It's a porcelain vessel with some coarse sea salt in it. It has a couple of small holes at the bottom and a large one at the top. You use it as an inhaler. It almost instantly clears up excessive flem. I made one from a 500ml plastic mineral water bottle but the porcelain one would be better but it worked great.

    This sounds like a good tool. NAC acts to prevent the extreme "lung flood" and cytokine storm that has accounted for most of the deaths.
    The Omicron variant is more contagious but much less deadly.

    BTW, I see a lot of people with masks moved to expose the nose. This defeats the point of even wearing one. Sneezing is the same as coughing.
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    Post  Mir Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:23 pm

    They all recommend that you use Himalayan crystal salt with all the added benefits. I use a coarse salt from the Kalahari Desert for everyday use, which I think is just great and not contaminated with all sorts of pollutants.

    http://saltpipeinhalers.com/
    https://www.saltrocks.org/

    PS - don't expect your local "Lung Foundation" to endorse this stuff Laughing
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    Post  Mir Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:19 pm

    That is exactly why this is a scam. If your wife shoots you because you cheated on her, it's murder. But if you happened to test positive for covid - it's a covid related death (you died of covid!). Funny thing is - despite all the BS it's still not a pandemic. The spike (if any) in deaths are still not any (or very little) higher than normal.

    The media loves their fear porn!
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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:47 pm

    Mir wrote:That is exactly why this is a scam. If your wife shoots you because you cheated on her, it's murder. But if you happened to test positive for covid - it's a covid related death (you died of covid!). Funny thing is - despite all the BS it's still not a pandemic. The spike (if any) in deaths are still not any (or very little) higher than normal.

    The media loves their fear porn!

    But it is not so innocent. We see every level of government, bureaucracy and the mass media reading from the same script.
    One would have to be a schizophrenic not to see the obvious "conspiracy theory". They are goosestepping to the music of
    lies all designed to feed Pfizer and whatever other interest there is behind this plandemic. The fact that Cuomo and similar
    in the US deliberately spread the virus to old age homes (by offloading cases from hospitals there instead of sending them
    home) tells me that reducing the old age support burden is one of the motives.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:18 pm

    kvs wrote: tells me that reducing the old age support burden is one of the motives.  

    Since I am in that category I am determined that God and not Pfizer is going to take me away.

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:49 am



    Skippy's woke toilet "freedom". But Austria takes the cake for repression. Jail time for people who refuse
    to submit themselves to mRNA "vaccines". I assume it is in solitary confinement. Next step, gas chambers.
    You know, for the greater good.

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    Post  Mir Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:46 am

    From an African (third World in general) perspective:

    Africa has the lowest vaccination rate with around 9% of the total population vaccinated BUT more importantly the mortality rate is extremely low and the piles of dead people on the streets never happened as some predicted. Nigeria has a the largest population with around 200 million where only around 3000 perished from the virus.

    South Africa on the other hand has a population of just over 60 million yet officially nearly 90 000 people has died from the virus, recording the highest mortality by far. It should be noted that we also have the highest vaccination rate in Africa with around 23% of the population "fully" vaccinated. This figure is still very low compared to the rest of the developed world. Our government fully supports the WHO's guidelines regarding the virus, but implementation of the vaccines have been very poor and corruption is rampant.

    African people are very social in nature and does not know the meaning of "social distancing" - yet they are very reluctant to get the jab.

    Further afield: Yesterday an article appeared in RT where a 4 year old girl was accidentally shot when a soccer match in Yemen erupted when they celebrated victory over Saudi Arabia. War ravaged Yemen has around 30 million people where around 2000 people have died from the virus. Here is a picture of the the crowded stadium during the match.

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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:44 pm

    The mRNA wonder cures and the adenovirus semi-wonder cures are for sure suppressing the immune system. This happens because
    the hijacking of human cell DNA to generate spike proteins creates a chimera that prompts an auto-immune response. Unlike with
    natural virus infections the hijacked cells do not die quickly because they do not produce whole virus copies and rupture, they instead
    produce only the spike protein (and perhaps some other proteins since these GMO "vaccines" are an experiment) which migrates to the
    cell wall and does escape into the blood and inter-cellular fluid. Such chimera cells live much longer and thus produce a different
    immune system response.

    Step back and consider what is going on here. Instead of just giving the immune system the viral antigen targets (spike, etc.) the
    authorities are pushing "vaccines" that add a whole new layer of stress on the immune system. What possible value would producing
    chimera cells have for immunity from covid? Vaccines have been around for decades and now all of the sudden they need this new
    feature? I am not going to give these power tripping freaks the benefit of the doubt. It is they who have to prove that there are
    no complications from this GMO approach. Antibodies against the spike protein will not kill the chimera cells (*). As with cancer, they
    require killer T-cells to remove.

    (*) Antibodies bind to virus particles and frustrate their entry into cells.


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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:46 am

    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/news/post/vaccine-acquired-immune-deficiency-syndrome-vaids-we-should-anticipate-seeing-this-immune-erosion-more-widely/


    Vaccine Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (VAIDS): 'We should anticipate seeing this immune erosion more widely'

    A Lancet study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated people in Sweden was conducted among 1.6 million individuals over nine months. It showed that protection against symptomatic COVID-19 declined with time, such that by six months, some of the more vulnerable vaccinated groups were at greater risk than their unvaccinated peers.

    Doctors are calling this phenomena in the repeatedly vaccinated “immune erosion” or “acquired immune deficiency”, accounting for elevated incidence of myocarditis and other post-vaccine illnesses that either affect them more rapidly, resulting in death, or more slowly, resulting in chronic illness.

    COVID vaccines are not traditional vaccines. Rather, they cause cells to reproduce one portion of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the spike protein. The vaccines thus induce the body to create spike proteins. A person only creates antibodies against this one limited portion (the spike protein) of the virus. This has several downstream deleterious effects.

    First, these vaccines “mis-train” the immune system to recognize only a small part of the virus (the spike protein). Variants that differ, even slightly, in this protein are able to escape the narrow spectrum of antibodies created by the vaccines.

    Second, the vaccines create “vaccine addicts,” meaning persons become dependent upon regular booster shots, because they have been “vaccinated” only against a tiny portion of a mutating virus. Australian Health Minister Dr. Kerry Chant has stated that COVID will be with us forever and people will “have to get used to” taking endless vaccines. “This will be a regular cycle of vaccination and revaccination.”

    Third, the vaccines do not prevent infection in the nose and upper airways, and vaccinated individuals have been shown to have much higher viral loads in these regions. This leads to the vaccinated becoming “super-spreaders” as they carry extremely high viral loads.

    In addition, the vaccinated become more clinically ill than the unvaccinated. Scotland reported that the infection fatality rate in the vaccinated is 3.3 times the unvaccinated, and the risk of death if hospitalized is 2.15 times the unvaccinated.


    Get yer boosters right here, get them while they're hot.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:53 am

    living in western europe still, and still unvaccinated.

    I either take sputnik V, or nothing at all.
    I respect anyones decision to take an vaccine, or not.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:16 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:living in western europe still, and still unvaccinated.

    I either take sputnik V, or nothing at all.
    I respect anyones decision to take an vaccine, or not.

    I have become a Sputnik V skeptic. It is a variation on the GMO theme. That is, it uses modified adenovirus vectors to introduce
    "mRNA" into human cells to produce spike proteins. There is zero need for GMO "vaccines". Classical vaccines that just offer up
    antigen targets (from pieces of the vaccine target virus) plus and adjuvant are sufficient. They are also safer since the immune
    system responds like it does to an actual infection. So antibodies are produced for more than one antigen target. But more
    importantly, there is no autoimmune response induced by having chimera cells (mRNA modified cells with spike proteins protruding
    from the cell walls) which trigger killer T cells.

    I am waiting for Novavax and the vaccine from Medicago. I hope that the Canadian regime approves them and makes them available.
    But I am getting more concerned that the regime will basically embargo them by cutting off their availability. Greece and Austria
    are setting the trend of affixing yellow stars to the unvaxxed and sending them to jail. This totalitarian abuse is coming to Canada.
    For all my bitching at the US, people there have more freedom than in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the EU toilets.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Dec 16, 2021 6:29 am

    kvs wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:living in western europe still, and still unvaccinated.

    I either take sputnik V, or nothing at all.
    I respect anyones decision to take an vaccine, or not.

    I have become a Sputnik V skeptic.   It is a variation on the GMO theme.  That is, it uses modified adenovirus vectors to introduce
    "mRNA" into human cells to produce spike proteins.   There is zero need for GMO "vaccines".  Classical vaccines that just offer up
    antigen targets (from pieces of the vaccine target virus) plus and adjuvant are sufficient.   They are also safer since the immune
    system responds like it does to an actual infection.  So antibodies are produced for more than one antigen target.   But more
    importantly, there is no autoimmune response induced by having chimera cells (mRNA modified cells with spike proteins protruding
    from the cell walls) which trigger killer T cells.  

    I am waiting for Novavax and the vaccine from Medicago.   I hope that the Canadian regime approves them and makes them available.
    But I am getting more concerned that the regime will basically embargo them by cutting off their availability.   Greece and Austria
    are setting the trend of affixing yellow stars to the unvaxxed and sending them to jail.   This totalitarian abuse is coming to Canada.
    For all my bitching at the US, people there have more freedom than in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the EU toilets.


    Oh i am already used to the EU toilet no worries Wink.
    The EU and NATO, and glass house of shit, kept in force by U.S lobbyists and weapon manufacturers.
    And i really do not blame you for choosing your options.

    also, should it not be our free choice?. what vaccine to choose?.
    If you choose any?. because if you choose not to take an vaccine it is your right too.

    I really do not judge people one way or another. it should be an personal choice right?.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:40 pm

    It should be our free choice under any sane legal environment. Vaccination with any of these mRNA vaccines is irreversible. But
    worst of all, it should have no relevance for all the vaxxed what the unvaxxed are doing. We have Biden and other politicians and
    their fake stream media enablers repeating the lie that the unvaxxed are the spreaders and that new strains emerge in the unvaxxed.
    This is a lie becuase:

    1) It is established that the vaxxed are spreaders, get sick and die.

    2) New strains are much more likely to form in the vaxxed since the vaccination creates selection pressure on the virus. It still
    infects the vaxxed and due to antibodies against older strains of the vaccine, this selects for new strains to propagate. This
    rapid antigenic drift virus is mutating continuously as does the influenza RNA virus. So it is mutating even after infection of
    an individual.

    The new variants like Omicron represent substantial mutations. Retroviruses have the ability to poach genetic content from
    other viruses. Omicron appears to be the result of such a transfer. No vaccination campaign can eradicate a rapid antigenic
    drift virus. It has become endemic just like the flu. But we have lunatic leaders talking about never ending booster shots!
    What possible value would these boosters have? It is better to get infected and to keep getting infected as with the flu.
    Some people will always die and forcing everyone to inject unproven mRNA "vaccines" every few months is a genocide level
    crime.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:45 am

    I have become a Sputnik V skeptic. It is a variation on the GMO theme. That is, it uses modified adenovirus vectors to introduce
    "mRNA" into human cells to produce spike proteins. There is zero need for GMO "vaccines".

    Who said that?

    Sorry, I only skim the posts in this thread, but the Sputnik V was touted as being technology used and proven since the 1950s... and based on Human rather than animal material.
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    Post  Mir Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:03 pm

    Sputnik has become such a huge political tool - yet some more evidence for me that we're not really dealing with a pandemic here.

    No vax for me but I've said it before that if I had to make a choice I would definitely consider Sputnik V as a viable option as it has a much better safety record than the others. South Africa will NEVER allow Sputnik so there goes my only option Laughing

    Sputnik has a very informative website that might be worth a visit.
    https://sputnikvaccine.com/
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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:19 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I have become a Sputnik V skeptic. It is a variation on the GMO theme. That is, it uses modified adenovirus vectors to introduce
    "mRNA" into human cells to produce spike proteins. There is zero need for GMO "vaccines".

    Who said that?

    Sorry, I only skim the posts in this thread, but the Sputnik V was touted as being technology used and proven since the 1950s... and based on Human rather than animal material.

    I have to confess I was confused about it initially. But all of the adenovirus vector vaccines are new and not like the
    classical ones dating back decades. Instead of using a synthetic cell-like nanoparticle vector, a modified adenovirus
    is used as the delivery platform. But the concept is the same as with the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines, to use
    GMO type mechanisms to manufacture spike proteins by hijacking human cells. Classical vaccines do not do this.
    They introduce antigens (not just the spike protein) from the vaccine dose.

    I smell a rat in the GMO vaccine "new order". And that is biowarfare. If one is going to defend the population against
    new selective target bioweapons, then GMO "vaccination" is the obvious choice. Covid-19 is a diversion. The long
    game is ethnic mass murder through engineered viruses. It is known that many countries including the USA are working
    on such weapons. The obsessions with final solutions to "problems" never goes away. People think that a certain
    country in Europe involved in starting WWII was an anomaly. It was the norm.

    Anyway, the GMO vaccines cause death and injury. The virus causes death and injury. The issue is which is worse for
    the individual. For some the former risk is preferable since the latter risk is much more serious. These people can choose
    to vaccinate. For the vast majority under the age of 50, the former risk outweighs the latter and these people should
    not be subjected to it for the "greater good" or some other BS excuse. Vaccination does not stop the spread
    of the virus. That is an Orwellian lie.



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    Post  kvs Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:50 pm



    The mRNA wonder cures suppress the immune system. Just what you need to fight a virus ... NOT.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:47 am

    https://tass.com/society/1377491

    Chumakov Center receives about 150 requests for CoviVac supplies from different countries

    KIROV, December 18. /TASS/. The Chumakov Federal Scientific Center for Research and Development of Immune and Biological Products of the Russian Academy of Sciences has received about 150 requests for deliveries of the CoviVac vaccine against coronavirus, the Center’s Director Aydar Ishmukhametov said after the official launch of the vaccine’s production at the Nanolek factory in the Kirov Region.

    "As for the export <...>. I have about one hundred and fifty requests. The situation was difficult worldwide, simply nobody had a vaccine. Now the situation is changing but in any case the epidemic may take on a seasonal nature, the annual support for immunity [will be needed] and here we have a lot of work to do [on vaccine production] both for our population and for other countries," the scientist said.

    He did not specify any dates or volumes of export deliveries. "Everything will be determined by our capabilities, our joint work with Nanolek, the course of the disease in the country," he noted.


    This is an inactivated virus vaccine. It contains dead viruses just like other traditional vaccines. No replicating mRNA nonsense.

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    Post  Firebird Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:47 pm

    https://twitter.com/commieleejones/status/1445508815802093569

    THis video was done in 2018.
    Its 1:50 or so long.

    This foundation/institute is run by Michael Milken. WOrth 4bn in the 1980s ie more than Soros.
    He was jailed for 10 yrs, fined 600m USD on 98 charges and is still serving a lifetime ban from finance. However, he now runs an organisation that is the financial equivalent of the WEF! (Work THAT one out). He is now suspected of running a 400 BILLION fund (Guggenheim). He also runs many businesses involved in Covid, mRNA etc etc.


    So here's the Milken FOundation discussing how they could benefit from a pandemic from China. How they could destroy all the regulatory resistance. How vaccines need 10 yrs to test etc etc.

    Its extremely damning evidence against him and his gang. Just watch for yourself.

    SOOOOOOOOOO can you work it out yet?
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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:05 pm

    Naturally, Fauci "I am the Science" is there with his drivel.   These clowns make it sound like the old way of vaccine production
    is some utter failure.   Also, the production of mRNA wonder cures does not follow.   If we want a new vaccine production tech,
    then the objective is to produce antigens and not to hijack human cells to do this.   For all the talk about robustness, the mRNA
    wonder cures require -80 C storage temperatures and it is more than likely that we have damaged mRNA being injected into
    thousands if not millions.   I have not seen too many liquid nitrogen cooled medical transport containers.   Have you heard of them
    buying super cold storage containers?   What they do is to freeze them down to below -100 C and then distribute them
    as they slowly warm up.   When has mass distribution in civilian contexts ever been this reliable that you can assure a delivery
    within narrow time windows.  Never.  How are the hacks who do not know how or why to aspirate the needle handling these
    frozen vaccines at the jabbing sites?   Do you think these hacks even understand how to properly thaw them in the right amounts
    for a variable queue?   You bet your ass that they are thawing the vaccine doses and letting them sit on the counter to the
    point that they are damaged.

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:13 am



    People already have a response to covid based on exposure to other corona viruses. This occurs via lymphatic T-cells.

    The lethality of this virus is associated with people who have a priori conditions that facilitate cytokine storms. The same
    is true for the so-called flesh eating disease which is a sensitivity of some people to regular streptococcus bacteria that
    does not cause such symptoms in everyone.

    Vaccine mandates are not addressing the health. They are politics.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:41 pm

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

    Omicron more likely to reinfect than Delta, no milder -study

    The risk of reinfection with the Omicron coronavirus variant is more than five times higher and it has shown no sign of being milder than Delta, a study showed, as cases soar across Europe and threaten year-end festivities.

    The results of the study by Imperial College London were based on UK Health Security Agency and National Health Service data on people who tested positive for COVID-19 in a PCR test in England between Nov. 29 and Dec. 11.

    "We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta," the study said, although it added that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

    "Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta," the study, which was dated Dec. 16, added.

    The protection afforded by past infection against reinfection with Omicron may be as low as 19%, Imperial College (ICL) said in a statement, noting that the study had not yet been peer reviewed.

    [...]

    But Dr Clive Dix, former Chair of the UK Vaccine Taskforce, said it was important not to overinterpret the data.

    "The conclusions made are based on making assumptions about Omicron where we still don't have sufficient data," Dr Dix said. "For example, we have no data on the cellular immune response which is now probably driving effectiveness of vaccines."

    "This is a crucial missing assumption in the modelling."

    Some of the conclusions are different to the data emerging from South Africa, where vaccines are holding up well against severe disease and death at present, he said.

    "There is a huge amount of uncertainty in these modelled estimates and we can only be confident about the impact of boosters against Omicron when we have another month of real-world data on hospitalisation ICU numbers and deaths," he said.

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