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    VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:27 am

    Isos wrote:
    They mostly gather postions of AD and time response for the interception by listening to communications which must be not even encrypted.

    Even newest radar work in peace time mode. They use only one frequency (without the ECCM with frequency hoping and what not) at normal power output.

    You can't really gather anything from it. If the radar works in L band you just choose one frequency in that band and the enemy won't learn anything he didn't know.

    So no one realky knows what radar they use because L band on a 2020 radar is the same L band as on a 1970 radar. Processing power can't be known and that is the most important about a radar.

    To improve the quality of capture information... ie to trick the Soviets into real emergency intercepts rather than routine escorts they used to use converted bombers which were generally previous generation bombers converted to carry electronic equipment... and added an R to its code... so for instance a B-17 used would be codenamed RB-17 and from a distance it is just a B-17 bomber.

    It used to be enough just to approach the soviet border to gather information but then the Soviets got cagey, so they often had to fly directly at the border and then turn away at the last minute to remain in international airspace... eventually that stopped working to so the started cutting corners where Soviet airspace poked out into international airspace so they would be inside Soviet airspace for a few seconds or minutes. Eventually they just flew into Soviet airspace.

    Quite a lot of western crews were killed doing this and it led to the Soviets being suspicious of all aircraft entering their airspace which resulted in airliners getting shot down... remember most airliners are also used by the US military for various roles too...

    Would be interesting to tot up all the people killed to collect all that information.
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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:24 pm

    3 crew dead after catapults accidentally triggered during Tu-22M3 strategic bomber launch in Russia

    https://www.rt.com/russia/518897-tu-22m3-deadly-incident/

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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:43 am

    I am surprised they don't have zero zero ejection seats...

    Ejection during preflight checks is unusual, and the fact that they mention three when it is a four seat aircraft...

    RIP.
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    Post  franco Wed Mar 24, 2021 12:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:I am surprised they don't have zero zero ejection seats...

    Ejection during preflight checks is unusual, and the fact that they mention three when it is a four seat aircraft...

    RIP.

    From another article, the aircraft commanders seat has 2 ejection handles. One allows him to eject the other 3 crew members before using the second to eject himself. Story is a new pilot was being evaluated by the regiment commander and he may have accidentally hit this switch during preflight checks.

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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:14 pm

    Day of Fighter Aviation VKS-2021

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:39 am

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:33 am



    This video shows the efficiency of the Tu-23 engines. The blue colour is directly related to combustion temperature. Initially
    you see lots of soot colouration of the exhaust but once the full blue stage is reached there is almost no soot being generated.

    Soot in this context refers to carbon aerosol that is emitted by hydrocarbon burning engines when combustion is sub-optimal or
    even under normal operation conditions (e.g. car engines). As the combustion optimizes more CO and CO2 is produced which do
    not generate soot and are transparent gases. Even the most efficient engines will produce NOx (NO2, NO) and NO2 has a red-brown
    hue so purely colourless exhaust can never be achieved. But the NK-25 comes very close.


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    Post  gbu48098 Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:11 pm

    Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?
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    Post  franco Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:45 pm

    gbu48098 wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?


    Suspect

    Okay... so maybe Russian airplanes are not heated affraid
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    Post  gbu48098 Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:51 pm

    franco wrote:
    gbu48098 wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?


    Suspect

    Okay... so maybe Russian airplanes are not heated affraid

    I would believe if you said its not Ac'd as joke but for sure they are heated.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 19, 2021 8:45 pm

    gbu48098 wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?

    Because they're older. It takes years to train such specialists and years more to gain experience

    Young pilots are just as slim as everyone else.

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    Post  Yugo90 Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:01 pm

    gbu48098 wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?
    just look at american navy seals and you will be suprised how fat they are 😂
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    Post  gbu48098 Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:10 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    gbu48098 wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?

    Because they're older. It takes years to train such specialists and years more to gain experience

    Young pilots are just as slim as everyone else.
    I thought pilots and submariners have strict physicals, so always was a bit puzzled.
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    Post  lancelot Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:39 pm

    gbu48098 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    gbu48098 wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?

    Because they're older. It takes years to train such specialists and years more to gain experience

    Young pilots are just as slim as everyone else.
    I thought pilots and submariners have strict physicals, so always was a bit puzzled.

    At the time Russia had the MiG-15 they typically chose pilots with a stocky build because it is easier for the blood to reach the brain from the heart if you are shorter, this makes them more resistant to blackouts, and at the time you needed a lot of physical strength to handle the controls. Today with pressure suits that is not a problem anymore.

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    Post  franco Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:17 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    gbu48098 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    gbu48098 wrote:Not sure if this is the right thread but curious why are the Russian pilots fat and generally stocky build?

    Because they're older. It takes years to train such specialists and years more to gain experience

    Young pilots are just as slim as everyone else.
    I thought pilots and submariners have strict physicals, so always was a bit puzzled.

    At the time Russia had the MiG-15 they typically chose pilots with a stocky build because it is easier for the blood to reach the brain from the heart if you are shorter, this makes them more resistant to blackouts, and at the time you needed a lot of physical strength to handle the controls. Today with pressure suits that is not a problem anymore.

    And remember under those blue suits is a pressure suit.
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    Post  Finty Sun May 09, 2021 11:46 pm

    I know this is a photo and not a video but I can't find a photo threat. Good comparison shot from yesterday's Victory day practise. Mods feel free to move to a more relevant thread.


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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9554265/Putins-glamorous-troops-rehearse-Sundays-WW2-Victory-Day-parade.html

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:37 pm

    Su-35S, Su-30SM, Su-34 and Su-57 fighters, as well as the Okhotnik (Eng: Hunter) heavy attack UAV at the Akhtubinsk airfield in the Astrakhan region. Satellite image of May 14, 2021.
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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:34 pm

    Quite the tight parking lot, The Russians just put them there posing for satellites Cool

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:25 am

    If I worked there it would be so tempting to make something out of clear plastic and tow it out there and leave it in front of these aircraft for an hour and then hurriedly tow it back inside.... Hahahahhahahaha...
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    Post  LMFS Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:51 pm

    Lots of toys in Hmeimim:

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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:44 pm



    So the British dick waving near Sevastopol has gotten a solid response.

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    Post  Isos Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:29 pm

    It's not a response to british entering in russian waters.

    They are working for months/years to adapt Hmeimim for tupolevs and mig-31k with kinzhal is a logical deployement to control mediteranean sea.

    The UK agression happened in the same time. Just a coincidence.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:03 pm

    Given them an excuse to be less nice about it when the cross swords again though... if they want to play stupid games then they should not expect to be treated with any respect any more... not till the clown is removed from office and someone with a bit more sense is in power and control.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:16 pm

    Isos wrote:It's not a response to british entering in russian waters.
    They are working for months/years to adapt Hmeimim for tupolevs and mig-31k with kinzhal is a logical deployement to control mediteranean sea.
    The UK agression happened in the same time. Just a coincidence.

    Not only Med my friend.
    With friendly Iraq and Iran, those Tu-22 can easily reach the Indian Ocean.
    With friendly Egipt, they cover the Red Sea and Aden.
    Of course, those gorilla rituals executed by used-to-be-an age-ago-empire are just by the way.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:21 pm

    Didn't know whether to put this in the general VKS news thread or here. Can Garry or George move it if they think it better there?

    I found this pretty good on balance from a top UK Royal United Services Institute RUSI analyst, albeit with the normal digs that you would expect given who pays his wages. Also pre the MAKS-21 revelations. The backdrop he uses, clever but makes him a bit of a poser but what he says is OK.

    The channel, Military Aviation History, puts some good stuff out.

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