VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2

So they kinda did get used but... no guns just Mavericks i guess.

Putting a gun pod on an F-16 does not make it a CAS aircraft, and does not make it an A-16.

They call it an F/A-16 but it always had air to ground capability so they should all be called F/A-16.

The comments I remember reading suggest the lack of armour made them unsuitable for the role.

I personally find SU34 fine as CAS platform, its very agile, armored, has very high payload, good endurance and impressive range, if they didnt mean him to ever perform CAS they would not armor its cabin.

It does not have great agility with a very high payload and impressive range, it is not armoured to stop small arms fire, that is to stop bomb fragments from bombing at very low level endangering the crew.

Its replacing SU24 that spent most of its carrier actually just providing CAS with very rare actual long range strike missions.

No it didn't. It didn't have the right radio equipment to communicate with troops on the ground, so its attacks were independent of friendly ground activity... unlike the Su-25 which was in direct communication with ground forces and whose pilots went to briefing meetings to discuss objectives and likely issues before hand.

GarryB wrote:

So they kinda did get used but... no guns just Mavericks i guess.

Putting a gun pod on an F-16 does not make it a CAS aircraft, and does not make it an A-16.

They call it an F/A-16 but it always had air to ground capability so they should all be called F/A-16.

The comments I remember reading suggest the lack of armour made them unsuitable for the role.

I personally find SU34 fine as CAS platform, its very agile, armored, has very high payload, good endurance and impressive range, if they didnt mean him to ever perform CAS they would not armor its cabin.

It does not have great agility with a very high payload and impressive range, it is not armoured to stop small arms fire, that is to stop bomb fragments from bombing at very low level endangering the crew.

Its replacing SU24 that spent most of its carrier actually just providing CAS with very rare actual long range strike missions.

No it didn't. It didn't have the right radio equipment to communicate with troops on the ground, so its attacks were independent of friendly ground activity... unlike the Su-25 which was in direct communication with ground forces and whose pilots went to briefing meetings to discuss objectives and likely issues before hand.

In normal strike roles you wont be nowhere near explosing ordinance thats the problem. You are near only during CAS with gravity bombs or unguided ammunition. But still SU24 never actually performed any real long range strike missions like it was its real role, it was almost always doing sort of CAS, except maybe during Iran-Iraq war.

In normal strike roles you wont be nowhere near explosing ordinance thats the problem. You are near only during CAS with gravity bombs or unguided ammunition. But still SU24 never actually performed any real long range strike missions like it was its real role, it was almost always doing sort of CAS, except maybe during Iran-Iraq war.

Well it did really, because missions like hitting the Su-25 factory in Georgia and hitting various targets inside Chechnia and of course bombing villages and mountain bases in Afghanistan in the 1980s all count as hitting targets behind enemy lines. Not all were particularly long range, but they were mostly not on the front line.

so is there any program for upgrade of M-55s??

A date for the start of testing of the upgraded high-altitude M-55 aircraft was set
Russian Aviaton » Monday September 28, 2015 23:06 MSK

Myasishchev design bureau is going to complete the upgrade of M-55 «Geophizika» high-altitude aircraft this year, Interfax reports with reference to a source close to the aircraft industry.

“At present the aircraft is being upgraded; the upgrade should be completed this year. It is expected that the flight tests will be started in December,” the source said.
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According to him, upgrade of M-55 Geophizika is being carried out under a contract between Myasishchev design bureau and Alfred Wegener Institute (Germany). This vehicle will be operated in the network of the European StratoClim research project.

According to him, a lot of components will be upgraded; in particular, navigation system, communication system along with all the sub-systems connected with it (digital altimeters and rangefinders, VOR and ILS landing systems, cable network, etc.).

Thanks to unique aircraft performance and payload of up to 2 tons, M-55 has taken part in international European scientific expeditions focused on studying the upper atmosphere many times. M-55 Geophizika is powered by two PS-30V-12 engines having a takeoff thrust of 4500 kg each. The vehicle’s takeoff weight is 24500 kg. Cruise speed - 740 km/h. Maximum range at the altitude of 17000 meters is 5000 km. Ceiling is 21550 m. The aircraft is able to stay in the air for 6,5 hours while flying at an altitude of 17000 m and 1 hour – at 21000 m.

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/9/28/3572/

Russian Army to Receive 16 Helicopters, 29 Combat Aircraft by Year End

The Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 16 Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters, 18 Su-30SM Flanker multi-role fighter jets and 11 MiG-31 Foxhound supersonic interceptor aircraft before the end of the year, the aircraft manufacturers told Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu Friday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia is currently carrying out a $325-billion rearmament program to modernize 70-percent of its military equipment by 2020.

"Four units of the Ka-52 attack helicopters were manufactured by Progress Arsenyev Aviation Company. The delivery of 12 more helicopters is scheduled for 2015," the company's managing director, Yury Denisenko, told Shoigu during a conference call.

According to the technical director of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, Alexander Sergunov, two Su-30SM and two Yak-130 combat trainers are ready to be delivered to the army.

"The government contracts provide for the delivery of an additional 16 Su-30SMs and six Yak-130s in 2015. Almost all the aircraft are in the final stage of production," Sergunov said.

In turn, Alexander Karezin, the general director of Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Building Plant Sokol, reported that the plant had carried out repairs and modernization of six MiG-31BMs.

"Four of the aircraft have been handed over to the military units where they will be based permanently, two are ready for flight. Five MiG-31BM and two MiG-29UBM will be delivered later this year," he added.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151009/1028278703/new-helicopters-aircraft-russia.html#ixzz3o5N0KeEr

"Helicopters of Russia" introduced a new generation of helicopter Mi-171A2

general information
Mi-171A2 - the latest multi-purpose helicopter of the middle class, which combines the unique experience of operating helicopters Mi-8/17 and the latest technical solutions. Mi-171A2 provides the highest level of reliability, safety and comfort. This helicopter is created in close cooperation with the operators of helicopters and sets new standards for middle-class helicopters.
Mi-171A2 provides ample business opportunities and the belief that the task will be carried out under any circumstances. Multipurpose helicopter middle-class Mi-171A2 - perfect classic.
Key features of the Mi-171A2:
The high performance characteristics
A wide range of tasks
Equipment and systems of new generation
High security
Certification ARMAK
The modern system operation and maintenance
Reduced cost of flight hours
The embodiment of the best qualities of the helicopter Mi-8/17
Mi-171A2 is:
Powerful propulsion system
Upgraded support system and transmission
The modified fuselage
A wide range of special equipment
The integrated flight and navigation system, glass cockpit
Modern Avionics
A new level of security and comfort
The first prototype of the Mi-171A2 began flight tests in November 2014.

nice music at the end

franco wrote:

Interesting news re the Mig-29UM,s. When Sokol was doing test flights of the first batch of 31BM's earlier this year, they were also doing test flights of 2 29UM's. Same planes or a second pair of 29UM's for this year?

I wonder if those MiG-29UBM are sort-of new and part of that order for 16 SMT due this year and next  (eight plus eight), maybe it was 12 SMT and 4 UBM?

Was not sure where to post this so ill post it here for a start.

Antonov 12MLL used to test ejection seats

Now, when Russian budget is more or less known, any informations regarding new contracts for Su-35 and Su-30SM?

medo wrote:Now, when Russian budget is more or less known, any informations regarding new contracts for Su-35 and Su-30SM?

They mentioned earlier this year that another contract for 48 Su35S will be signed after current order is done and accepted into service. Also there are rumons that 75 more SU30SMs will be ordered http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14018/Russian_MoD_May_Order_75_More_Su_30SM_Jets#.Vi6MuuxfbK8

New helicopter pilot gear

Russia buzzes USS Ronald Reagan, prompting US fighter jet scramble


Russia playing Washington games of poking


Russian aircraft ignored repeated U.S. warnings and flew within one nautical mile of the USS Ronald Reagan just east of the Korean peninsula, “In the latest in a series of incidents involving Russian aircraft, two Tupolev Tu-142 Bear aircraft flew as low as 500 feet Tuesday morning near the Reagan, which has been conducting scheduled maneuvers with South Korean navy ships. Four F/A-18 Super Hornets took off from the Reagan’s flight deck in response to the Russian advance,U.S. officials attempted to contact the Russian aircraft but received no radio response. A U.S. ship escorting the Ronald Reagan followed the Russian aircraft as they withdrew, Navy officials said.

Press officials at the Russian Embassy in Seoul were not immediately available for comment Thursday.

On multiple occasions in the past year, Russian aircraft have tested international boundaries by either violating other countries’ airspace or engaging in what Pentagon officials have called “provocative” actions toward U.S. and NATO ships.

In April, a Russian SU-24 fighter jet made 12 “close-range, low-altitude” passes near the USS Donald Cook while the ship was in international waters in the western Black Sea near Romania, the Pentagon has said. Last month, NATO officials said Russian fighters violated Turkish airspace several times.

There are some whispers and unconfirmed claims in Serbian media that second hand MiG29s from Russia are to be delivered to Serbian Air Force (9.12 and 9.51) apparently those that were just replaced in Millerovo with SU30SM. Also first informations say it will be donation rather than commercial deal or some type of compensation via overhauls or armaments.

"Nezvanično saznajemo da će sada u Moskvi biti reči upravo o lovcima i to o mogućoj donaciji određenog broja lovačkih aviona MiG-29 direktno iz jedinica ruskog RV. U inventaru ruskih Vazdušno-kosmičkih snaga (VKS) karijera starijih verzija frontovskog lovačkog aviona tipa MiG-29 je po svemu sudeći pri kraju. edan od dokaza za to je i plan prenaoružavanja 31. lovačkog avijacijskog puka iz baze Milerovo koji će do kraja ove godine dobiti 15 aviona Su-30SM koji će zameniti preko 30 aviona MiG-29 (9-13 i 9-51) koje puk trenutno koristi. Avion klase MiG-29 odavno nije prioritet za ruske VKS već su to mnogo sposobniji i za VKS adekvatniji borbeni avioni OKB ‘’Suhoj’’ poput višenamenskih borbenih aviona Su-30 i Su-35 a tu su i taktički bombarderi Su-34. Srbiji bi zbog logistike i obuke najviše odgovarala varijanta 9-12 kao i dvosedi 9-51. Poslednja jedinica ruskih vazduhoplovnih snaga koja upotrebljava varijantu 9-12 je 116. školski centar za borbenu obuku i borbenu primenu lovačke avijacije , aerodrom Privoložskij na kome su početkom oktobra boravili naši piloti učestvujući na vežbi BARS-2015."

Basically says what we all know that MiG29 slipped from list of priorities by RuAF and that they are being rapidly pushed from service by SU30 family. Also second hand Mi24s are being mentioned but again as i said its all atm in domain of rumons and whispers.

Militarov wrote:There are some whispers and unconfirmed claims in Serbian media that second hand MiG29s from Russia are to be delivered to Serbian Air Force (9.12 and 9.51) apparently those that were just replaced in Millerovo with SU30SM. Also first informations say it will be donation rather than commercial deal or some type of compensation via overhauls or armaments.

"Nezvanično saznajemo da će sada u Moskvi biti reči upravo o lovcima i to o mogućoj donaciji određenog broja lovačkih aviona MiG-29 direktno iz jedinica ruskog RV. U inventaru ruskih Vazdušno-kosmičkih snaga (VKS) karijera starijih verzija frontovskog lovačkog aviona tipa MiG-29 je po svemu sudeći pri kraju. edan od dokaza za to je i plan prenaoružavanja 31. lovačkog avijacijskog puka iz baze Milerovo koji će do kraja ove godine dobiti 15 aviona Su-30SM koji će zameniti preko 30 aviona MiG-29 (9-13 i 9-51) koje puk trenutno koristi. Avion klase MiG-29 odavno nije prioritet za ruske VKS već su to mnogo sposobniji i za VKS adekvatniji borbeni avioni OKB ‘’Suhoj’’ poput višenamenskih borbenih aviona Su-30 i Su-35 a tu su i taktički bombarderi Su-34. Srbiji bi zbog logistike i obuke najviše odgovarala varijanta 9-12 kao i dvosedi 9-51. Poslednja jedinica ruskih vazduhoplovnih snaga koja upotrebljava varijantu 9-12 je 116. školski centar za borbenu obuku i borbenu primenu lovačke avijacije , aerodrom Privoložskij na kome su početkom oktobra boravili naši piloti učestvujući na vežbi BARS-2015."

Basically says what we all know that MiG29 slipped from list of priorities by RuAF and that they are being rapidly pushed from service by SU30 family. Also second hand Mi24s are being mentioned but again as i said its all atm in domain of rumons and whispers.

Considering that RuAF also retire all MiG-29 in Domna air base, which were replaced by Su-30SM, there will be enough fighters to equip whole regiment of MiG-29 jets in Serbia and for spare parts. I wonder if they will be modernized to MiG-29BM level, like those in Belarus to get multirole fighters.

Tu-95MS with (mockups?) Kh-101/102

zg18 wrote:Tu-95MS with (mockups?) Kh-101/102

Training rounds They're usually red

Militarov wrote:There are some whispers and unconfirmed claims in Serbian media that second hand MiG29s from Russia are to be delivered to Serbian Air Force (9.12 and 9.51) apparently those that were just replaced in Millerovo with SU30SM. Also first informations say it will be donation rather than commercial deal or some type of compensation via overhauls or armaments.

Interesting....I've heard talk of BUK-M2 and Krasnopol guided rounds. We should probably move this discussion to the Ex-YU thread

max steel wrote:Russian aircraft ignored repeated U.S. warnings and flew within one nautical mile of the USS Ronald Reagan just east of the Korean peninsula, “In the latest in a series of incidents involving Russian aircraft, two Tupolev Tu-142 Bear aircraft flew as low as 500 feet Tuesday morning near the Reagan, which has been conducting scheduled maneuvers with South Korean navy ships. Four F/A-18 Super Hornets took off from the Reagan’s flight deck in response to the Russian advance,U.S. officials attempted to contact the Russian aircraft but received no radio response. A U.S. ship escorting the Ronald Reagan followed the Russian aircraft as they withdrew, Navy officials said.

So let me get this right. Two Tu-142's flying on a normal patrol, without CAS from Russian fighters, were spotted in International air space, just south of their own airspace and territorial waters after taking off in Vladivostok?

As well as gathering intel, I think the Russians were sending a very polite message. However, framing it outside its context is par for the course for western media nowadays. Typical US hypocrisy after buzzing the Chinese military base earlier this week.

Teshub wrote:

max steel wrote:Russian aircraft ignored repeated U.S. warnings and flew within one nautical mile of the USS Ronald Reagan just east of the Korean peninsula, “In the latest in a series of incidents involving Russian aircraft, two Tupolev Tu-142 Bear aircraft flew as low as 500 feet Tuesday morning near the Reagan, which has been conducting scheduled maneuvers with South Korean navy ships. Four F/A-18 Super Hornets took off from the Reagan’s flight deck in response to the Russian advance,U.S. officials attempted to contact the Russian aircraft but received no radio response. A U.S. ship escorting the Ronald Reagan followed the Russian aircraft as they withdrew, Navy officials said.

So let me get this right. Two Tu-142's flying on a normal patrol, without CAS from Russian fighters, were spotted in International air space, just south of their own airspace and territorial waters after taking off in Vladivostok?

As well as gathering intel, I think the Russians were sending a very polite message. However, framing it outside its context is par for the course for western media nowadays. Typical US hypocrisy after buzzing the Chinese military base earlier this week.

Yeah, literally nothing happened.

Four Yak-152 aircraft will be ready for testing in summer 2016
Russian Aviaton » Monday November 2, 2015 17:09 MSK

A pilot batch of Yak-152 trainer aircraft designed for training cadets of the air force academies and DOSAAF will be manufactured by July 2016, Interfax-AVN reports with reference to a source close to the military-industrial sector.

“Under a state contract the first four test aircraft must be manufactured by Irkutsk Aviation Plant by June 30th 2016,” the source said. He noted that the pilot batch would comprise two Yak-152 aircraft intended for flight testing, one – for the static testing and one more – for endurance testing.
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It was reported earlier that Yak-152 is being developed following the results of a tender issued by Russian Ministry of Defense in 2014. The project is designated “Ptichka VVS”. The value of this contract is 300 million rubles. The source explained that “mass production of Yak-152 aircraft may be started in 2017”. “Today the plant is preparing for mass production of MS-21 airliners; compared to this product the labor coefficient for Yak-152 is relatively low,” the source added.

According to him, “Yak-152 aircraft should replace Yak-52 vehicles (339 aircraft of the type have been delivered to the customers, but less than 100 ones are operational”. The source reminded that in 2001 Yak-152 project presented by Yakovlev design bureau took part in the tender issued by Russian Ministry of Defense along with Su-49 aircraft presented by Sukhoi design bureau. Following the results of the tender, Su-49 trainer aircraft was named the winner; however, the ministry failed to finance the project. “Now Yak-152 is being developed in accordance with the results of a tender held by Russian Ministry of Defense in 2014 (Ptichka-VVS project),” the source added.

Earlier Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov told journalists that around 150 Yak-152 aircraft should be purchased for Russian air forces. According to experts, Yak-152 should become a part of a training system, which includes Yak-130 jets (designed for advanced training of cadets of air force academies and pilots of military units of Russian air forces) and training facilities fitted with unified software. Presumably, cadets of air force academies and DOSAAF training centers will learn the basics of piloting and navigation using Yak-152 aircraft, as well as aerial stunts, formation flying, etc.

The maximum speed of the new aircraft should be about 300-320 km/h, ceiling – 4000 m, range - 1400 km. Its takeoff weight is 1320 kg. The vehicle is fitted with KSAP-152 ejection system with SKS-94M2 seats developed by NPP Zvezda. The service life of Yak-152 must be at least 10.000 hours or 30.000 cycles.

Does any one have any good links that show the Orbat of Russian Airforce , Number of fighter transport link etc.

Thank You

Austin wrote:Does any one have any good links that show the Orbat of Russian Airforce , Number of fighter transport link etc.

Thank You

i think russian version of wikipedia Russian Air Force pages is quite accurate