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zg18 wrote:Tu-95MS with (mockups?) Kh-101/102
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They're usually redMilitarov wrote:There are some whispers and unconfirmed claims in Serbian media that second hand MiG29s from Russia are to be delivered to Serbian Air Force (9.12 and 9.51) apparently those that were just replaced in Millerovo with SU30SM. Also first informations say it will be donation rather than commercial deal or some type of compensation via overhauls or armaments.
Interesting....I've heard talk of BUK-M2 and Krasnopol guided rounds. We should probably move this discussion to the Ex-YU thread
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So let me get this right. Two Tu-142's flying on a normal patrol, without CAS from Russian fighters, were spotted in International air space, just south of their own airspace and territorial waters after taking off in Vladivostok?max steel wrote:Russian aircraft ignored repeated U.S. warnings and flew within one nautical mile of the USS Ronald Reagan just east of the Korean peninsula, “In the latest in a series of incidents involving Russian aircraft, two Tupolev Tu-142 Bear aircraft flew as low as 500 feet Tuesday morning near the Reagan, which has been conducting scheduled maneuvers with South Korean navy ships. Four F/A-18 Super Hornets took off from the Reagan’s flight deck in response to the Russian advance,U.S. officials attempted to contact the Russian aircraft but received no radio response. A U.S. ship escorting the Ronald Reagan followed the Russian aircraft as they withdrew, Navy officials said.
As well as gathering intel, I think the Russians were sending a very polite message. However, framing it outside its context is par for the course for western media nowadays. Typical US hypocrisy after buzzing the Chinese military base earlier this week.
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Teshub wrote:So let me get this right. Two Tu-142's flying on a normal patrol, without CAS from Russian fighters, were spotted in International air space, just south of their own airspace and territorial waters after taking off in Vladivostok?max steel wrote:Russian aircraft ignored repeated U.S. warnings and flew within one nautical mile of the USS Ronald Reagan just east of the Korean peninsula, “In the latest in a series of incidents involving Russian aircraft, two Tupolev Tu-142 Bear aircraft flew as low as 500 feet Tuesday morning near the Reagan, which has been conducting scheduled maneuvers with South Korean navy ships. Four F/A-18 Super Hornets took off from the Reagan’s flight deck in response to the Russian advance,U.S. officials attempted to contact the Russian aircraft but received no radio response. A U.S. ship escorting the Ronald Reagan followed the Russian aircraft as they withdrew, Navy officials said.
As well as gathering intel, I think the Russians were sending a very polite message. However, framing it outside its context is par for the course for western media nowadays. Typical US hypocrisy after buzzing the Chinese military base earlier this week.
Yeah, literally nothing happened.
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Four Yak-152 aircraft will be ready for testing in summer 2016
Russian Aviaton » Monday November 2, 2015 17:09 MSK
A pilot batch of Yak-152 trainer aircraft designed for training cadets of the air force academies and DOSAAF will be manufactured by July 2016, Interfax-AVN reports with reference to a source close to the military-industrial sector.
“Under a state contract the first four test aircraft must be manufactured by Irkutsk Aviation Plant by June 30th 2016,” the source said. He noted that the pilot batch would comprise two Yak-152 aircraft intended for flight testing, one – for the static testing and one more – for endurance testing.
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It was reported earlier that Yak-152 is being developed following the results of a tender issued by Russian Ministry of Defense in 2014. The project is designated “Ptichka VVS”. The value of this contract is 300 million rubles. The source explained that “mass production of Yak-152 aircraft may be started in 2017”. “Today the plant is preparing for mass production of MS-21 airliners; compared to this product the labor coefficient for Yak-152 is relatively low,” the source added.
According to him, “Yak-152 aircraft should replace Yak-52 vehicles (339 aircraft of the type have been delivered to the customers, but less than 100 ones are operational”. The source reminded that in 2001 Yak-152 project presented by Yakovlev design bureau took part in the tender issued by Russian Ministry of Defense along with Su-49 aircraft presented by Sukhoi design bureau. Following the results of the tender, Su-49 trainer aircraft was named the winner; however, the ministry failed to finance the project. “Now Yak-152 is being developed in accordance with the results of a tender held by Russian Ministry of Defense in 2014 (Ptichka-VVS project),” the source added.
Earlier Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov told journalists that around 150 Yak-152 aircraft should be purchased for Russian air forces. According to experts, Yak-152 should become a part of a training system, which includes Yak-130 jets (designed for advanced training of cadets of air force academies and pilots of military units of Russian air forces) and training facilities fitted with unified software. Presumably, cadets of air force academies and DOSAAF training centers will learn the basics of piloting and navigation using Yak-152 aircraft, as well as aerial stunts, formation flying, etc.
The maximum speed of the new aircraft should be about 300-320 km/h, ceiling – 4000 m, range - 1400 km. Its takeoff weight is 1320 kg. The vehicle is fitted with KSAP-152 ejection system with SKS-94M2 seats developed by NPP Zvezda. The service life of Yak-152 must be at least 10.000 hours or 30.000 cycles.
Russian Aviaton » Monday November 2, 2015 17:09 MSK
A pilot batch of Yak-152 trainer aircraft designed for training cadets of the air force academies and DOSAAF will be manufactured by July 2016, Interfax-AVN reports with reference to a source close to the military-industrial sector.
“Under a state contract the first four test aircraft must be manufactured by Irkutsk Aviation Plant by June 30th 2016,” the source said. He noted that the pilot batch would comprise two Yak-152 aircraft intended for flight testing, one – for the static testing and one more – for endurance testing.
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It was reported earlier that Yak-152 is being developed following the results of a tender issued by Russian Ministry of Defense in 2014. The project is designated “Ptichka VVS”. The value of this contract is 300 million rubles. The source explained that “mass production of Yak-152 aircraft may be started in 2017”. “Today the plant is preparing for mass production of MS-21 airliners; compared to this product the labor coefficient for Yak-152 is relatively low,” the source added.
According to him, “Yak-152 aircraft should replace Yak-52 vehicles (339 aircraft of the type have been delivered to the customers, but less than 100 ones are operational”. The source reminded that in 2001 Yak-152 project presented by Yakovlev design bureau took part in the tender issued by Russian Ministry of Defense along with Su-49 aircraft presented by Sukhoi design bureau. Following the results of the tender, Su-49 trainer aircraft was named the winner; however, the ministry failed to finance the project. “Now Yak-152 is being developed in accordance with the results of a tender held by Russian Ministry of Defense in 2014 (Ptichka-VVS project),” the source added.
Earlier Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov told journalists that around 150 Yak-152 aircraft should be purchased for Russian air forces. According to experts, Yak-152 should become a part of a training system, which includes Yak-130 jets (designed for advanced training of cadets of air force academies and pilots of military units of Russian air forces) and training facilities fitted with unified software. Presumably, cadets of air force academies and DOSAAF training centers will learn the basics of piloting and navigation using Yak-152 aircraft, as well as aerial stunts, formation flying, etc.
The maximum speed of the new aircraft should be about 300-320 km/h, ceiling – 4000 m, range - 1400 km. Its takeoff weight is 1320 kg. The vehicle is fitted with KSAP-152 ejection system with SKS-94M2 seats developed by NPP Zvezda. The service life of Yak-152 must be at least 10.000 hours or 30.000 cycles.
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Does any one have any good links that show the Orbat of Russian Airforce , Number of fighter transport link etc.
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Austin wrote:Does any one have any good links that show the Orbat of Russian Airforce , Number of fighter transport link etc.
Thank You
i think russian version of wikipedia Russian Air Force pages is quite accurate
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George1 wrote:Austin wrote:Does any one have any good links that show the Orbat of Russian Airforce , Number of fighter transport link etc.
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i think russian version of wikipedia Russian Air Force pages is quite accurate
I agree that not completely accurate, it is one of the closest. Emphasize on the RUSSIAN version as opposed to the English one.
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Does the Su-34 and Su-30SM operating in Syria has MAWS ?
AFAIK they dont and only Su-35S has 360 degree MAWS ?
Without MAWS these types operating in Syria wont come to know they are under MANPAD attack
AFAIK they dont and only Su-35S has 360 degree MAWS ?
Without MAWS these types operating in Syria wont come to know they are under MANPAD attack
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Austin wrote:Does the Su-34 and Su-30SM operating in Syria has MAWS ?
AFAIK they dont and only Su-35S has 360 degree MAWS ?
Without MAWS these types operating in Syria wont come to know they are under MANPAD attack
They don't have optical type MAWS, but that doesn't mean they could not have radar type MAWS. New Pastel RWR placed on the wings and on the tail fins give empty positions of older RWR sensors, so they could easily place some other sensors there. Su-30SM have those positions packed with sensors and they are not RWRs.
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They would need a modern gen 360 degree Opitcal MAWS to know they are under attack from MANPADS or IR class missile.
Su-24 pilot did not knew they were under attack ? Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree
Su-24 pilot did not knew they were under attack ? Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree
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Austin wrote:Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree
Yes very likely Austin.
Л-082 was purposely designed and conceived for open war operations against NATO targets; the very "peculiar" situation in Syrian theatre ,instead, has generated a scenario totally inconceivable for original designers of the system.
In none instance in a true conflict, in facts, an "enemy" interceptor potentially capable to engage an Su-24M (moreover one perfectly tracked and followed any second, since its take-off, by the Federation's sensor echelon present in the sector) could had be capable to approach at only 5 km of distance at 35 degrees in the rear sector from lower altitude ,receiving target positional update from a pair of AWACS in the area, to deliver an AIM-9X in LOBL close combat mode ostensibly without a radar lock.
The position on the Su-24M's frame of the Л-082's calotte take into account that in an open conflict a Su-24M pass through or egressing from a contested area ,would mostly proceed at low altitude and high speed, therefore an air engagement with IR homing missiles would come from the upper hemisphere.
If any the very odd modality of this attack (even discounting the spatial ,temporal and procedural elements of the engagement sequence, very far from the normal international procedure between not enemy operators not threatening each the other) reinforce the hypothesis of an accurately planned ambush.
In particular some factors are important in ascertain that :
1) The vector and azimuth of approach of the Turkish aircraft, that seem to any extent guided directly by third party ISR assets to an useful point of interception, out of the chosen SU-24Ms sensor FOV.
2) The accurate avoidance by part of the F-16 of a direct radar lock , that could have alerted the Su-24M and/or the allied ground operators that was following that Viper in theirs screens ,that the aircraft in question had become hostile
3) The choice of a close range IR missile, shot at point blank range against a target moving at low speed and totally unaware that any aircraft could even only think to engage it ,not constituting a menace for any actor in the theatre (except for the local terrorist groups).
This is the technical meaning of the words "stab in the back".
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Mindstorm wrote:Austin wrote:Why because it has MAWS on top of Spine probably just covering top 180 Degree
Yes very likely Austin.
Л-082 was purposely designed and conceived for open war operations against NATO targets; the very "peculiar" situation in Syrian theatre ,instead, has generated a scenario totally inconceivable for original designers of the system.
In none instance in a true conflict, in facts, an "enemy" interceptor potentially capable to engage an Su-24M (moreover one perfectly tracked and followed any second, since its take-off, by the Federation's sensor echelon present in the sector) could had be capable to approach at only 5 km of distance at 35 degrees in the rear sector from lower altitude ,receiving target positional update from a pair of AWACS in the area, to deliver an AIM-9X in LOBL close combat mode ostensibly without a radar lock.
The position on the Su-24M's frame of the Л-082's calotte take into account that in an open conflict a Su-24M pass through or egressing from a contested area of would mostly proceed at low altitude and high speed, therefore an air engagement with IR homing missiles would come from the upper hemisphere.
If any the very odd modality of this attack (even discounting the spatial ,temporal and procedural elements of the engagement sequence, very far from the normal international procedure between not enemy operators not threatening each the other) reinforce the hypothesis of an accurately planned ambush.
In particular some factors are important in ascertain that :
1) The vector and azimuth of approach of the Turkish aircraft, that seem to any extent guided directly by third party ISR assets to an useful point of interception, out of the chosen SU-24Ms sensor FOV.
2) The accurate avoidance by part of the F-16 of a direct radar lock , that could have alerted the Su-24M and/or the allied ground operators that had the Viper was following that Viper in theirs screens ,that the aircraft in question had become hostile
3) The choice of a close range IR missile, shot at point blank range against a target moving at low speed and totally unaware that any aircraft could even only think to enegage it ,not constituting a menace for any actor in the theatre (except for the local terrorist groups).
This is the technical meaning of the words "stab in the back".
Indeed this was the Ambush , Aided by All-Lies.
All the more reason all Russian Fighters/Bombers/Transport should have MAWS , on Su-35S they use UV based MAWS for 360 * coverage , without which detecting IR based missile like SRAAM and MANPADS is impossible and pilot just have to depend on hunch or the rare RWR warning
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"A 16-ton lifting capacity balloon, adapted to operation in the Arctic, will be created for the Russian Defense Ministry, Mikhail Talesnikov, commercial director of the Avgur RosAeroSistemy Company, the project developer, has reported. "This is a three-year program the work on which is due to start next year. At issue is creation for the Russian Defense Ministry of the Atlant A-30 balloon developmental prototype," specified a company official at the Arctic, the Present and the Future forum held in Petersburg.
According to the developers, the balloon can resist the temperature down to minus 55 degrees Centigrade, a wind up to 30 m/s, and develop a speed from 120 to 160 km/h. In addition, it features an outstanding endurance and can take off and touch down on unprepared surface, including ice and water.
"The balloon can also be used year round as a habitation module, serving for instance as a hospital, base, etc." Talesnikov said. The Avgur RosAeroSistemy Holding Company has developed two modifications of such balloons, A-30 with a 16 ton lifting capacity and A-100 capable of lifting up to 60 tons of cargo. It is expected that the first one will be ready for demonstration to the customers in 2019, and the second in 2020."
Source: http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-news-2015/december/2198-avgur-rosaerosistemy-to-create-new-military-airships-for-russian-arctic-troops.html
According to the developers, the balloon can resist the temperature down to minus 55 degrees Centigrade, a wind up to 30 m/s, and develop a speed from 120 to 160 km/h. In addition, it features an outstanding endurance and can take off and touch down on unprepared surface, including ice and water.
"The balloon can also be used year round as a habitation module, serving for instance as a hospital, base, etc." Talesnikov said. The Avgur RosAeroSistemy Holding Company has developed two modifications of such balloons, A-30 with a 16 ton lifting capacity and A-100 capable of lifting up to 60 tons of cargo. It is expected that the first one will be ready for demonstration to the customers in 2019, and the second in 2020."
Source: http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-news-2015/december/2198-avgur-rosaerosistemy-to-create-new-military-airships-for-russian-arctic-troops.html
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AN26 bombing exercise. Havent seen this since Yugoslav civil war.
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Two new Su-35S transferred to VKS, Far East
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1697772220465527.1073742055.1492252324350852&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1697772220465527.1073742055.1492252324350852&type=1
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Looks like Mi-14 is back on ice again, money problems:
http://panzerbar.livejournal.com/3103213.html
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The helicopter demonstrator based on Mi-24 climbed into the air
http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/599945.html
http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/599945.html
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Hi-lights of VSK Commander in Chief press conference:
- expects to receive over 140 new aircraft and helos in 2016
- experimental PKA DA may fly sooner then presently planned
- VSK will conduct over 500 drills in 2016
- VSK to restore over 40 airfields by 2020
- Berkuts (Mi-28N) aerobatic team crash prompted new preventive measures
- Swifts and Knight's aerobatic teams to get new aircraft
- T-50 to start serial production in 2017
- expects to receive over 140 new aircraft and helos in 2016
- experimental PKA DA may fly sooner then presently planned
- VSK will conduct over 500 drills in 2016
- VSK to restore over 40 airfields by 2020
- Berkuts (Mi-28N) aerobatic team crash prompted new preventive measures
- Swifts and Knight's aerobatic teams to get new aircraft
- T-50 to start serial production in 2017
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franco wrote:Hi-lights of VSK Commander in Chief press conference:
- expects to receive over 140 new aircraft and helos in 2016
- experimental PKA DA may fly sooner then presently planned
- VSK will conduct over 500 drills in 2016
- VSK to restore over 40 airfields by 2020
- Berkuts (Mi-28N) aerobatic team crash prompted new preventive measures
- Swifts and Knight's aerobatic teams to get new aircraft
- T-50 to start serial production in 2017
Further info I could gather from Victor Bondarev's (Victor Cooper
) conference.- PAK-DA expected to fly 2012, maybe sooner
- New Tu-160 production will go ahead
- PAK-FA final batch of tests will happen this year, serial production start in 2017
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Could anyone link to the actual video of the conference/interview?
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Berkut wrote:Could anyone link to the actual video of the conference/interview?
Not a video link, but still helpful:
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601231944-666i.htm
and
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201601232002-uyvq.htm
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Aerospace Russian forces expect to receive from the industry in 2016, more than 140 aircraft and helicopters, told the Chief of the Air and Space Forces (VKS) Russian Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev.
"We hope and believe that the state defense order in 2016 will be implemented in full. Scheduled delivery of more than 140 aircraft and helicopters, more than 200,000 aircraft weapons, more than 70 radar systems, 40 anti-aircraft missile complexes and systems plus 60 samples of space weapons "- listed general.
He recalled that in 2015 Russia received over 190 modern aircraft and helicopters, as well as more than 30,000 aviation means of defeat. The share of modern technology and modernized in the army is 68%.
"It is very pleasing that we have received over the plan, two Su-34. Technology comes not as it was before - all at the end of the year. Now she comes on a quarterly basis, not on the plants, promptly mastered in aviation units," - said Bondarev.
"We hope and believe that the state defense order in 2016 will be implemented in full. Scheduled delivery of more than 140 aircraft and helicopters, more than 200,000 aircraft weapons, more than 70 radar systems, 40 anti-aircraft missile complexes and systems plus 60 samples of space weapons "- listed general.
He recalled that in 2015 Russia received over 190 modern aircraft and helicopters, as well as more than 30,000 aviation means of defeat. The share of modern technology and modernized in the army is 68%.
"It is very pleasing that we have received over the plan, two Su-34. Technology comes not as it was before - all at the end of the year. Now she comes on a quarterly basis, not on the plants, promptly mastered in aviation units," - said Bondarev.
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Not sure where to post this as there is no general attack helicopter thread.
For a change a really good article hosted by VT, written by an American for South Front, on the Mi-24/8 and Ka-50/2. Very positive.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/military-analysis-russian-attack-helicopters-come-of-age/
For a change a really good article hosted by VT, written by an American for South Front, on the Mi-24/8 and Ka-50/2. Very positive.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/30/military-analysis-russian-attack-helicopters-come-of-age/
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