Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

Ali Maisam Nazary
@alinazary
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Aug 30
“We’re confident that we can resist them,” said Ali Nazary, head of foreign affairs for the rebels. “If the Taliban do make any provocative moves, then the resistance is going to spread, it’s not going to stay just in Panjshir.”


Resistance 2.0
@massoudiyaan
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Aug 29
Taliban gone against Int'l laws by cutting of all internet and telecom services.
By this cowardly action they wants to put pressure on NRF, However Our will to resist against any aggression don't stop in here!

Any data on rebels' heavy weapons left from the USSR & supplied by Russia in 2001-2 that r still combat ready?
Massoud supporters announced the attack by the Taliban. Panjshir prepares for war
https://youtu.be/-qmHKbTaSE0

I was hopeful when HATO went in to Afghanistan... I thought they might be able to do some good there and help a tiny country that has seen rather more than its fair share of war over the last few centuries benefit and grow and develop... but I also suspected this might happen... they tried to turn it directly from an Amish village into California... and that was never going to happen.

By excluding the Taliban they alienated too great a percentage of the population for there ever to be stability... the same was done in the Ukraine when probably a large percentage of the population want good relations with Russia and the EU but their voice is ignored over the percentage that blame Russia for everything and the tiny nazi group they have that runs the place who hate everyone.

If you took away Putins party in Russia you would end up with communists and idiots like Zhirinovsky and Navalny trying to run the place (into the ground).

Ironically that is exactly what the US itself probably needs... get rid of the republicans and democrats and just have the idiots left over running the place.

When the US targeted the Taliban after the 9/11 attacks and set up bases in former Soviet states in the region, Russia initially welcomed the move. But relations soon grew strained.

Russia expected the US to destroy the opium farms in Afghanistan and opened up their country and transport networks to help the US in its mission to fix Afghanistan... when ended when it was clear they couldn't give a **** about the Afghans and it was just a scam to get US taxpayer dollars into all sorts of programmes where the money ended up in pockets no where near the people it was supposed to be for.

So even with Russian support the US failed in Afghanistan... imagine how successful the Soviets would have been with US and western SUPPORT in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Russia stresses it has no interest in sending troops to Afghanistan, and it is not hard to see why. It fought a bloody and, many would argue, pointless war there in the latter years of the Soviet Union in the 1980s.

The Soviets had no choice to go into Afghanistan because the US... having just been kicked out of Iran by the Iranian people were looking to move into Afghanistan for similar misadventures and damage creation.

The Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan made rather more sense than the US invasion ever did... Osama wasn't even in Afghanistan...

Helping a friendly country against an enemy one makes more sense than invasion and occupation of a country because you couldn't agree terms regarding someone you wanted to murder you believed was residing in that country.

While the Soviet Union installed a government in Kabul led by Babrak Karmal, the US, Pakistan, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia supplied money and arms to the mujahideen, who fought the Soviet troops and their Afghan allies.

The west was supplying arms and money in Afghanistan ten years before the Soviets invaded... that is just bullshit.

The Soviets were eventually forced to leave Afghanistan after a guerrilla campaign by mujahideen

The Soviets could still be there if they wanted to... there was no forcing involved... it was a decision made in Moscow.

Many of those killed were teenage Soviet army conscripts, and the war drove home a realisation of just how little the Soviet authorities cared about their own people.

The decision to leave clearly showed they did care. US interventions around the world on the other hand seem to show the US military is a tool that needs to be used all the time for things that have nothing at all to do with US national security... it seems just to keep testing weapons for the military industrial complex.

The war is widely thought to have hastened the end of the Soviet Union, at least in part, by stirring disillusionment with its rulers.

Hahahahaha... yeah... it was the main reason people in the Soviet Union stopped voting for those leaders... oops... that really does not make sense... and if you think about it for a bit... the US was in Afghanistan for almost 2 decades and both of their political parties were in power during that time, so this is a real test because it was the republicans that got the US out of that war and the Democrats that screwed up the withdrawal and now want to go back in... so who loves American soldiers and who just wants them dead... who do they vote for next election?

The war ended with an ignominious military withdrawal in February 1989.

Actually the withdrawal was very skillful and did not lead to any humiliation or massacres like we see this time around.

Many Russians have painful memories of the nine years spent fighting a war in the final years of the Soviet Union

Of course they do... it was largely pointless... they went in to help a country and the west tried to turn it into a death trap for them to murder as many Soviets as they could... but to their credit they managed to work out in about 8 years that what they were doing wasn't helping and left... they went in at christmas in 79 and left by february 1989... the US didn't have a superpower funding their enemy and still failed to get the job done despite all their wonderful technology and enormous fire power, you could say they did even worse.

Russia may have given the impression of being prepared for the Taliban's sweep to power, but some experts believe Moscow was taken by surprise as much as everyone else.

Moscow was of course surprised at how badly the US handled this... considering the Taliban were largely defeated because of the US superior air power even supporting Afghan troops... when you announce you are withdrawing all air support three months before you start to withdraw your ground troops you are asking to get a hiding... the generals in charge should be peeling potatoes for the next 30 years in Levenworth.

"We cannot talk about any strategy from Moscow,"

Moscow can't run away like the UK and EU and US have done... they have to deal with the country and the future of the country is clearly a future with the Taliban in control of more of it than the US ever controlled... even right now...

Moscow will likely find the isolationism of the Taliban to be vastly more desirable than the threat a US occupied and controlled Afghanistan presented, but as mentioned a US controlled Afghanistan was better than anarchy like the West gave to Libya and wants Syria to enjoy too.

Others in Moscow are wary of what Taliban rule might bring.

Moscow knows it can talk to the Taliban and create stability and peace... Moscow is not intent on imposing its ideology or religion or anything else on its neighbours unlike the US so they will likely get on just fine in most areas.

Andrei Kortunov, head of the Russian International Affairs Council think tank, believes they will struggle to control the entire country, especially the north, and that could threaten Russia and its neighbours.

Now that the west is out if the Taliban want to buy some weapons and get some help in dealing with terrorists in the north of their country I am sure Russia and probably China would be happy to make some money and deal with a mutual problem.

He also fears a sharp deterioration in the Afghan economy, which could in turn prompt further instability.

They have never had a booming economy... they will go back to growing food instead of drugs and they will carry on as best they can.

Taliban gone against Int'l laws by cutting of all internet and telecom services.

That is the first thing the US does.... it is a hostage situation... the first thing is to cut them off from help and support...

By this cowardly action they wants to put pressure on NRF

Cowardly would be bombing them with their new air power from altitude...

Of course they are going to talk tough, but they are in no position to do much else really....

Time will tell what sort of support they get from neighbouring states, but I suspect most will want good relations with the Taliban who have a good record of not pissing off its neighbours with illegal drug trade and other crap...

Exodus: Biblical scene as thousands flee Taliban-held Afghanistan walking miles through the desert across the Pakistani border and into Iran

Remarkable clip shows thousands desperately fleeing Taliban-held Afghanistan
Human caravan pictured moving across Pakistan's desert border and into Iran
Migrants who have survived the journey describe a scene of chaos, with elderly people, pregnant women and babies among those making the perilous trip
Comes as MPs revealed their concern about a new influx of migrants into Europ
Remarkable footage shows the truly epic scale of the exodus of Afghans fleeing their country to head west.

The almost-biblical scenes of the mass migration across the desert where the borders of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran all meet shows an endless river of people flowing between the mountains.

And for British politicians concerned about an influx of migrants to Europe, these images will confirm their worst fears.

For these men, women and children, their initial destination is likely to be Turkey, still more than 1,000 miles away across Iran, and from there many of them will hope to come to Europe and Britain.

A migrant who recently made the same journey said the stretch shown is at the end of a four-hour trek through rough terrain, where the Afghan refugees, having travelled briefly through Pakistan, continue their journey with Iranian people smugglers.

He said: ‘These are the poorest people, because there are other ways which involve less walking, but those routes cost more.’

Migrants who have survived the journey speak of the chaos they have seen with thousands of vulnerable and elderly people now making the perilous trip, desperate to escape the clutches of the Taliban

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9944489/Thousands-flee-Taliban-held-Afghanistan-walking-miles-desert-Pakistan-Iran.html

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1431700108614242308

He's a shadow of his father, also while his dad managed to play all sides it seems this guys is only as good as his CIA handlers.

By Rachel Lloyd

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that the crisis in Afghanistan is of Washington's making, arguing that efforts to reform the country have failed and saying the global community must now work together to prevent tragedy.
In a meeting with students on Wednesday, Putin criticized what he said amounted to the US' mishandling of its presence in Afghanistan, which ended abruptly in August when the Taliban took the capital, Kabul.

“The result is one tragedy, one loss... American troops were present in this region, and for twenty years they tried to civilize people, and to introduce their own norms and standards of life in the broadest sense... including in the political organization of society,” he continued. “The result is zero, if not to say that it is negative.”

According to the Russian president, the situation needs to mature and that “if you want it to improve faster and better, we need to help people.” He added that it is completely possible to accomplish this goal, but that “it should be done in a civilized way: carefully, maintaining positive trends, slowly, being patient."

However, Putin has not shied away from arguing that Russia will respond to any perceived threats against its own interests in the region. He has expressed concerns over potential security threats that countries may face, given the number of refugees fleeing Kabul, and has denounced the West for resettlement plans that may pose a risk to neighboring countries. In a telephone conversation last week, he and Chinese premier Xi Jinping noted that a spread of instability to adjacent regions must be prevented.

August proved to be a dramatic month that saw the American-backed Afghan government collapse virtually overnight. The Taliban strengthened its offensive as the US began extracting troops from the country, the Islamist group eventually entering the capital and taking control. On the 16th, it declared that the war in Afghanistan was over. The US completed its withdrawal from the nation on Tuesday.

https://www.rt.com/russia/533622-putin-afghanistan-crisis-washington-fault/

By the sounds of things there does not appear to be any solid plan by Afghanistan neighbours , or unified cohesive action in resolving the conflict or helping the Afghan people . Everyone is saying wait and see . They all need to work out a plan together with as many Afghan and regional players as possible . There needs to be a short term plan to ensure food and medical deliveries together with keeping the armed groups into demarcated areas . Everyone in the region has an interest in peace . And should work together . Some obvious points that all may agree on :

( 1 ) Stopping the sale or transfer of arms into Afghanistan , until internationally recognised government formed .

( 2 ) Unfreezing all Afghan assets for the purpose of humanitarian aid , distributed fairly by neutral appointees to all regions .

( 3 ) Monitors acceptable to all sides to observe troop withdrawal from respective tribal regions .

( 4 ) Direct aid to regions and minorities neglected by other authorities or under siege , by UN .


Can you think where a meeting should be held , and at what level ? Can you think of any measures that will help ?

Mir wrote:America’s catastrophic miscalculation: 20 years of disaster in Afghanistan, by the numbers (PHOTOS)

https://www.rt.com/news/533504-20-years-afghanistan-numbers/

"The unceremonious exit of US forces from Afghanistan marks the end of nearly two decades of foreign military intervention in the country, leaving behind a trail of destruction and waste difficult to comprehend.

The last three US military transport departed the Hamid Karzai Airport late on Monday, just ahead of the August 31 deadline set for full withdrawal. For years, Washington and media outlets described the conflict in Afghanistan as a stalemate that had provided enough security to kindle social progress, security and stability. But a post-mortem of the last twenty years tells a different story – one of bloodshed, instability and grift, at a total cost of more than $2 trillion."

"According to a UN estimate, Afghanistan’s opium production was estimated at 6,300 tons in 2020. That year, the total area under opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan was estimated at 224,000 hectares, an increase of 37% compared to 2019. Afghanistan is once again the world’s leading source of opium poppies. Under Taliban rule, the crop had been nearly completely eradicated by May 2000."

The 47 000 civilian deaths mentioned in the article is a very low estimate.

I want to say it's very sad, but saying that does not convey how awful it is.

BILAL SARWARY
@bsarwary
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AFG “About a year ago, a Taliban gathering was held in Pakistan to consult their leaders and commanders on future of US troops and the Doha talks with Americans. Taliban leader Haibatullah was quoted by a senior member of their intelligence as saying “ Make sure Afghan leaders can’t leave through airports and borders because they would form another 1990s style opposition to the Islamic emirate.” I remember an Afghan official in Kabul telling me this about 6 months ago in his Kabul home.

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TRT World Now
@TRTWorldNow
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Pakistan has "massive influence" on Taliban as, over the last 20 years, its leadership lived there ... everyone is hoping Pakistan and Qatar can help influence the group, says journalist Bilal Sarwary

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Northern Alliance Flag of Hungary
@NA2NRF
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So far from battle of Khavak last night, taliban has 350 casualties, more than 40 captured & prisoned. NRF got many new American vehicles, weapons & ammunitions as a trophy. Commanded Defense of Khavak,Commander Munib Amiri

TRT World Now
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In pictures: Dozens of Afghan families survive in makeshift tents on the outskirts of Chaman, a border town in Pakistan, after fleeing Afghanistan following the Taliban takeover

The USSR couldn't take it in 9 years, then Kabul in 3 years, & now the Tajiks & Uzbeks will supply them. Good luck to the Talibs there!

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https://youtu.be/o8Wt-tUZPh0

https://youtu.be/XHxlUWWk1Go

"Panjshir Resistance willing to negotiate with the Taliban"



https://southfront.org/panjshir-resistance-willing-to-negotiate-with-the-taliban/



I think some kind of deal will be reached.

"US-Made Armored Vehicles Supplied To Afghan Government Forces Spotted In Iran (Photos)"





























They will be fixed up, cleaned up and sent to Iraq to the PMU, more than likely. Taliban has a shit ton of weapons left by the US, should not surprise anyone, if they end end up in Iraq/Syria via Iran. They have so many pickup trucks, that would be really helpful in Syria.






https://southfront.org/us-made-armored-vehicles-supplied-to-afghan-government-forces-spotted-in-iran-photos/

Mir wrote:

par far wrote:"Panjshir Resistance willing to negotiate with the Taliban"



https://southfront.org/panjshir-resistance-willing-to-negotiate-with-the-taliban/



I think some kind of deal will be reached.

It will be suicide if they wants to keep fighting. Negotiation is the only logical way forward.

Very true, there will be some CIA agents that are delusional but most of them will surrender.

Taliban fighters upset, feel betrayed that US military left non-working helicopters: report

Militants reportedly believed helicopters would be untouched following US departure
Taliban fighters are feeling angry and betrayed Wednesday after discovering that Afghan National Army helicopters abandoned at Kabul’s airport have been rendered inoperable by departing U.S. troops, according to a report.

An Al Jazeera reporter who toured a hanger on the military side of the airport said in a video that the terrorist group "expected the Americans to leave helicopters like this in one piece for their use."

"When I said to them, ‘why do you think that the Americans would have left everything operational for you’? They said because we believe it is a national asset and we are the government now and this could have come to great use for us," she continued.
In addition to the people left behind in Kabul, McKenzie said the U.S. also left behind equipment such as the C-RAM (counter-artillery, artillery and mortar) system that was used to shoot down rockets, as well as dozens of armored Humvees and some aircraft.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/taliban-fighters-helicopters-kabul-airport-afghanistan


Ashish Sinha
@Ashish_sinhaa
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12h
The American and their mercenaries have destroyed all the military assets of the Afghan nation and most of them have been destroyed.
That includes fighter jets, helicopters, tanks, hundreds of vehicles, thousands of weapons and other military vehicles- Talibans Claim