Was there any reason why the Pakis stopped Iran oil and gas pipe through Pakiland to India , one where they could make money too ? I guess it has something to do with yank pressure . Cricket player deep thinker indeed .
The US has many pressure points against Pakistan that it can use, and not all of them are direct.... like simply telling Saudi Arabia to stop helping Pakistan with money... just as an example... or telling them no more spare parts or support for their F-16s which would make them useless in months or weeks.
There are no rebels in Afghanistan . Just tribes . And some heavily foreign indebted proxy terrorist forces , wanting to establish a fucked up tribal Paki Emirate . Idiots indeed .
The group in the Panjshir valley under Massouds son are the rebels what ever they call themselves. Essentially there is them and the Taliban and ISIS.
"......This Northern Alliance is just an Afghan faction made up of the same sort of men in the Taliban......" . No it is not . Read their web page and manifesto . True that some are ex-government , and feel romantic about yank presence . But that is what we get , by abandoning them , they are forced to ask help from France and co . Russia can make contract with Taliban conditional . Same with Iran . But they are not for peace .
The northern alliance want to fight... there is no point in Russia or Iran or China negotiating some peace deal with the Taliban if the NA are not interested.
China and Russia and Iran want peace because they want stability in the region... they don't benefit from eternal conflict there like the US does because eternal conflict allows them to grow poppies and poison Russia and Iran and the region.
Time for Iran to act .
And what exactly can Iran do about it?
Invade Afghanistan?
That should work out great... ask any country who came up with that brilliant idea before... they will have a good laugh.
It is very unlikely that Al Quada and ISIS are on the same side as the Taliban.... they are just saying that to get support in the west... they would claim there were Chinese and Russian mercenaries in there too if they thought that would make a difference.
The greater trap is doing nothing . The trap of being geographically cut off from China and central Asia , by Pakistan backed terrorists and extremists . Iran did not tolerate this in Iraq and Syria . Why should it tolerate in Afghanistan ? And I doubt that it will remain passive . They were already talking about setting up a front in Afghanistan . I think they should do this , help northern alliance and Tajik in defence of territory against offensives by Pakistan backed terrorists and Taliban . Supply defensive equipment . Rifles , mines , manpads and SAM . If Pakistan does not withdraw , then send special forces directly against them .
Biggest mistake the Americans made was to refuse to include the Taliban as a group in Afghanistan that should have recognition.
After they refused to talk with them the only way they could have fixed the situation is to completely exterminate the Taliban and they could probably only have achieved that by just killing everyone.
If you pick this resistance and they are crushed there is no going back... and it looks like it is in a terrible situation with its back against a wall and limited exits that can easily be mined and have ambushes set up to kill anyone trying to supply them... that is a siege and the Taliban have all the time in the world... right now they can start setting up a government that includes everyone except the Northern Alliance and ISIS and no one could tell them off because the NA don't want to talk... they want to fight.
Ironically the Taliban gave the US plenty of options as alternatives to invasion but they wanted to invade so they did...
The Taliban is an extremist group , they are Pakistan proxy . In any dealings with them , Iran should make sure that the project benefits all of Afghans and not Talibs offensives and murders against other tribes . As for example they exchanged water for fuel . This benefits all of Afghans . So we oppose them where they go wrong . And reward them and all Afghans , where they go right .
So you think US sanctions and pressure on Iran is a good thing... making you do the right thing by making the poor and the weak suffer and die... interesting... I thought such abuse would cure you of such stupidity.
Using commercial relations for social engineering works both ways...
No Afghan is not property of China . Iran can develop alone .
No one person can dictate what happens here... Iran has cards and China has cards and Afghanistan has cards.
If the Taliban cement their power and China establishes good ties, then what exactly is Iran going to do about that?
Iran is doing great work in Syria helping the Syrians and killing ISIS and Kurds, but you were supported by Assad and Russian forces... you will be on your own if you want to go into Afghanistan... and the NA might be as much use to you as it was to US forces... and vice versa.
[quote]Main weapon for Talibans in Panjshir were still tanks T-55 and T-62.
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Simple and easy to fix and with a HE shell that does good damage to caves and bunkers...
I really don't understand your position Nomadski... one second China is the biggest evil in the region and then next breath you are worried about losing Afghanistan and being cut off from China and Asia... so which is it?
[quote]China controls Pakistan controls Taliban controls ISIS . Therefore China controls ( supports ) ISIS . LOL .
That is just bollocks... 13 Americans were murdered during the airlift by ISIS... if there were any links at all to Pakistan or China you know who they would be bombing the crap out of.
"Panjshir resistance leader says ready for talks with Taliban"
That would be a good thing anyway... there is no need for more bloodshed.... this should be about the NA and Taliban... both Afghan groups celebrating finally kicking all those foreigners out of their country but there are still ISIS who are not Afghans either to go...
BTW TL... Afghanistan is only impossible to conquer if you are not prepared to use nukes.
Iran never started any "sectarian conflict", the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia are responsible for most of the sectarian conflict in the Middle East, why do you never call them out?
Yes... if Iran is going to fix a country with serious problems... start with Saudi Arabia...
I hope Afghanistan will find peace somewhere under the Taliban.
Perhaps their way of rule is what Afghanistan needs.
They were in control of Afghanistan from about 1996 til certain planes flew into certain buildings and America decided it had to act.
Afghanistan will always be Afghanistan, we will never change that.
I think there is hope for Afghanistan... but it has to be driven by Afghan people and not by outsiders wanting them to conform to their culture like the Americans try to make everywhere a carbon copy of the US.
The British are not better, but the Soviets did try to take culture into account, but when there is good money from Saudi Arabia and the US to fight the Soviets you fight the Soviets.
Not a fault of Chinese ancient culture but modern culture infecting the world .
I have seen no evidence of China trying to impose its culture on the rest of the world... the world conflict is the west on one side that fights to keep the US in charge and everyone else down on the floor, and the BRICS countries including Russia and China who just want to do as they please without being forced to accept this or that law from Washington or Brussels about gays or sexual deviants. They don't want to run the place... they want to continue to develop any way they please without the west imposing sanctions and demanding freedom for this or that group etc etc.
Taliban may rule with an iron fist, with Pakistan helping them, but I don't think there will be any lasting peace.
The former president of the US is banned from Social Media in the US and no mention is allowed of checking vote counts for the last election... and there was a very long period where no criticism of Biden was tolerated... I think in many ways the Taliban are more open minded than many Americans are... I have already said the Americans would have crushed the Taliban if given the same chance the Taliban had... Ask the Iraqi military retreating from Kuwaite in Desert Storm... the US massacred them.
I doubt that they expected this onslaught with the Pakistani forces clearly heavily involved. It looks like they misread the situation and are losing.
In the short term with their strategy there was no chance of a solution that didn't involve them giving up and talking...
Whether this is true or not.
Pakistan is getting a bit too big for its shoes in Afghanistan, if they're sending in their own air force directly
Someone should cut them down to size
If they overstep their mark I rather suspect the Taliban will happily give them a bloody nose.
UN should prevent Taliban's onslaught in Panjshir, negotiate political solution: Amrullah Saleh
UN can't do diddly squat.
Which means that the Taliban remain a risk factor. We simply don't know what their next actions would be after they've crushed the rebellion.
The Taliban have been in charge before and when they were in charge they stopped the opium and they basically kept to themselves... which is exactly what Russia wants.
and odds are the Taliban are going to be in charge of the country as much as anyone is in charge of that country... so they don't have to do much except wait and talk.
But then Pakistan had to interfere to undo all the good work that the Soviets did.
And the Saudis and Americans... the Chinese made a lot of money selling off cheap guns to the CIA that was passed to the Muj who pretended it was "captured"... problem was the afghan army didn't use Chinese versions of Soviet gear so when they showed 14.5mm HMGs firing at helicopters on Chinese gun mounts you knew they were talking shit about where they came from.
Talibans capture Panjshir capital city, ex-vice president Saleh escape with helicopter, some rumors are, that he escape to Tadjikistan. It's more or less over, Taliban won the war. Talibans are now hunting remaining groups of NRF in mauntains.
If he had surrendered they could have talked and a lot of Afghans on both sides would still be alive... but now they are dead and those Taliban will want revenge and those remaining NRF groups are going to suffer for it...
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