Su-35S: News #2

That pic is suspect. It doesn't look that much smaller on the blueprints

Pretty much all Americans shill this idea that Chinese Flankers are the best. Even the Millennium 7 YouTube guy couldn't help himself.

And some unfriendly Chinese shills say the same thing. (not Rupprecht)

Best Flanker. With that cumbersome analog air brake?

Pretty much all Americans shill this idea that Chinese Flankers are the best. Even the Millennium 7 YouTube guy couldn't help himself.

And some unfriendly Chinese shill the same thing.

It's a simple (yet effective) tactic Pro-NATO trolls use to denigrate Russian weapons systems, everything that's Russian is shit until either China (Sukhoi Flankers) or the Ukraine (T series tanks) get their hands on them, then it suddenly becomes the best thing ever.

The J-16 is a particular fascination for me. Note the wing tip pods for jamming. Also the amount of antennas on them.

But nah the su-35 and latest Chinese flankers are peers and do different things for different missions. The passive phased array on su-35 I bet is more powerful and dangerous than the j-16 aesa based on what I heard about concerning the rumored max and median power output. Still thr aesa on the J-16 is very good and I bet is near to the byelka.

The J-16 is a particular fascination for me. Note the wing tip pods for jamming. Also the amount of antennas on them.

But nah the su-35 and latest Chinese flankers are peers and do different things for different missions. The passive phased array on su-35 I bet is more powerful and dangerous than the j-16 aesa based on what I heard about concerning the rumored max and median power output. Still thr aesa on the J-16 is very good and I bet is near to the byelka.

N036 is a AESA variant of the N035 Hybrid Radar that is the Irbis-E.

Output is the same in terms of overall power and the N036 is 400km max detection range for 3M^2 targets, which is exactly the N035 detection range.  This is entirely to the provided upwards to 20KW of power to the radar.

Just because the supposed Chinese radar is "AESA" there are tons of questions.

What kind of T/R Modules does it use? How many are there? how much power is provided to the radar that these T/R modules can use? What is its cooling structure (the real reason why Russia didn't go gung ho on AESA radar since reliability was less and heat output was high)? What are its T/R modules failure rates (average was 10% in the past.  That is with less modules running at same time).

The Chinese flanker may be good.  But one, to get an idea, is to look at other jets available in other nations and their Chinese jets and radar systems to get a better idea - JF-17 for example.  Detection range is rather not very high at all and radar size is that of a MiG-29's (roughly) to which the PESA of the MiG-29's of later models had about better detection range.

Not knocking on the Chinese jets but there is a general trait that people think that a certain type of tech that is heavily advertised must = better.  But the question that is rarely asked is:
- Reliability?
- Necessary?
- Cost vs Benefit?

US has decided to go the route of AESA hard and while I dont necessarily think it is fantastic by any means, they at least mitigated a lot of the failure of the T/R modules with a ton of T/R modules forced into the radar, and with years of a bit of better development in cooling, they have done to AESA what Russia has done with PESA.  China just did a bit of both by trying to buy one and copy the other.  Then you have to think about all the little other things like the engines and power output to the electronics?  What about things like AESA L Band modules for the 360 view?  Su-35 has that, does the J-16?

I agree that a lot of nonsense is said concerning passive and active array radars because the science behind it is complex and often people assume it is more powerful and sophisticated when really a good passive array with great software can do almost everything active array radars do including LPI search and others.

I guess I was wrong about byelka's median and max power output and how it translates to detecting targets. I think the chinese have really advanced over the past decade, but also have some concerns myself. For example often people assume there is a massive gap in active array radar tech between Russia and China. If this was the case though, why was it that up till 2015 China was in talks to work with Russia on the J-20's aesa radar? And again if you look into thr specifications for uncooked aesa radars for smaller fighters the examples of Russian firms match exactly some displayed by Chinese companies.

All this nonsense usually comes from NI tier western defense articles. Some so embarrassing I've seen them quote quora posts ffs.

USA went to AESA because of the infatuation with stealth that ended up with failures like the F-117, B-2 and the same F-22.
Result was that they skipped altogether any further advancement in Pesa and conventional radars in favor of an overly complicated and at the time still not ready technology
In the end it came out that the differences between an advanced Hybrid PESA and a mature AESA radar are minimal and in some cases even favoring the former over the latter.
It was found that losses in performances due the side lobe reflection in Pesa radars are more than compensated by the larger power a separated radio wave generator allow due to better refrigeration and so on.
In the end it was found that AESA compared to hybrid PESA give practical advantages only to full fledged 5 gen planes.

MiG-29 is like a toy next to Su-35 wrote:

no machine that can deliver 6.5T of ordinance can be described as a toy