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    Post  Kiko Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:05 pm

    Peruvian interim president Francisco Sagasti requests investigation on an open letter whereby retired senior militaries conclaim to ignore an eventual victory of Pedro Castillo in the recent presidential elections.

    https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/395509-presidente-peru-investigar-carta-exmilitares-castillo

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:00 pm

    For those of us not informed on these events, can you please explain situation?
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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:06 pm

    Looks like the decades old pattern of little generals licking Uncle Swine-shit's balls. Unelected worms in the Latin American militaries bought and paid for
    by Americans have been deciding what is best for the people for over 70 years.

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    Post  franco Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:32 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:For those of us not informed on these events, can you please explain situation?

    Presidential election won by the Socialist candidate by around 50,000 votes, extremely close election. Supported by the poor, rural and indigenous voters. Right wing candidate is daughter of a past president who is in jail and she herself is facing corruption charges. She is refusing to accept defeat and now some of the military are supporting her. Country has been in a political limbo for the past few years.

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    Post  Kiko Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:56 pm

    Sorry for being late. Went out for a Saturday lunch...
    In essence it's the following. Castillo's election in Peru (a rural school elementary teacher), plus Chile's recent election of a progressive Constitutional Assembly to scrap Pinochet's 1980 constitution, plus Arce's recent election in Bolivia, plus Lula's real prospect of being elected in Brazil's 2022 presidential elections, plus Alberto Fernandez' presidency in Argentina, plus Maduro in Venezuela and uprisings in Colombia all mean the demise of extreme right-wing neoliberal social and economic policies favoured by the US in Latin America.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:06 pm

    It is a long struggle for Latin America to free itself from yanqui imperialism, but I think it will be successful.

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    Post  George1 Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:22 pm

    Pedro Castillo's victory came as a surpise. I remember in pre-election surveys the best place he was shown was the 6th, not even 3rd-4th..

    Even in th election day Keiko Fujimory was ahead at 90% of the votes counted..

    His win finally mad all his opponents cry... Very Happy

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:18 pm

    The situation is uncertain and worrisome in Peru. Pedro Castillo's opponent and loser in the elections, Keiko Fujimori, has deployed a series of new actions between Friday and Saturday in order to not acknowledge the election results. Owing to this, a massive mobilization took place in Lima for the defence of democracy and Pedro Castillo's victory.

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/20210620/peru-una-masiva-movilizacion-en-defensa-de-la-democracia-1113381207.html
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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:24 pm

    George1 wrote:Pedro Castillo's victory came as a surpise. I remember in pre-election surveys the best place he was shown was the 6th, not even 3rd-4th..

    Even in th election day Keiko Fujimory was ahead at 90% of the votes counted..

    His win finally mad all his opponents cry...  Very Happy


    Sounds like the routine pre-election polling fraud designed to steer the vote to the desired candidate. I see evidence of such manipulation even
    in Canada where all the parties are "deep state" loyalists.
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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:27 pm

    Kiko wrote:The situation is uncertain and worrisome in Peru. Pedro Castillo's opponent and loser in the elections, Keiko Fujimori, has deployed a series of new actions between Friday and Saturday in order to not acknowledge the election results. Owing to this, a massive mobilization took place in Lima for the defence of democracy and Pedro Castillo's victory.

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/20210620/peru-una-masiva-movilizacion-en-defensa-de-la-democracia-1113381207.html

    These Jap diaspora are some sort of scum. If they are not happy with democracy in Peru, they should bugger on off to the USA.
    I recall another Fujimori, Alberto, during the 1990s in Peru who was a scumbag.

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    Post  franco Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:29 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Kiko wrote:The situation is uncertain and worrisome in Peru. Pedro Castillo's opponent and loser in the elections, Keiko Fujimori, has deployed a series of new actions between Friday and Saturday in order to not acknowledge the election results. Owing to this, a massive mobilization took place in Lima for the defence of democracy and Pedro Castillo's victory.

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/20210620/peru-una-masiva-movilizacion-en-defensa-de-la-democracia-1113381207.html

    These Jap diaspora are some sort of scum.   If they are not happy with democracy in Peru, they should bugger on off to the USA.
    I recall another Fujimori, Alberto, during the 1990s in Peru who was a scumbag.


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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:41 am

    kvs wrote:I recall another Fujimori, Alberto, during the 1990s in Peru who was a scumbag.

    Fujimori Keiko is the eldest daughter of Fujimori Alberto. Keiko served as Peru's First Lady from 1994 to 2000, after her mother, Higuchi Shizuko, was demoted from this position by her own husband because she exposed Alberto's misdoing during his presidency.

    Keiko's younger brother, Fujimori Kenji, also an infamous right-wing politician, was suspended by the Congress for allegations of crimes of influence peddling and bribery.

    We see a shady family business here.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:20 pm

    According to an opinion poll of the Peruvian Institute of Studies (IEP), 69% of Peru's total adult population disapproves that the daughter of ex-president Alberto Fujimori still hasn't accepted the election results. In the rural zones, where Castillo received a higher votation than in the main cities, the rejection of Keiko Fujimori reached 76%.

    https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/395813-maniobras-postelectorales-keiko-fujimori-peru-encuesta

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:37 am

    Kiko wrote:According to an opinion poll of the Peruvian Institute of Studies (IEP), 69% of Peru's total adult population disapproves that the daughter of ex-president Alberto Fujimori still hasn't accepted the election results. In the rural zones, where Castillo received a higher votation than in the main cities, the rejection of Keiko Fujimori reached 76%.

    https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/395813-maniobras-postelectorales-keiko-fujimori-peru-encuesta


    It is routine in the western propaganda space to ignore such evidence. Nahalny is called "the" leader the of the Russian opposition even though he has less than 3% support.
    Putin's votes are called illegitimate because some clown like Nahalny did not participate even though Putin's ballot box support reflects opinion polls. The close vote in
    Peru diverges from the opinion polls and is evidence of fraud in favour of Fujimori. I am sure that the pro-American MSM will soon start shrieking about how Castillo "stole"
    the election.

    Of course, hypocrisy dictates that the west invokes exit polls to "prove" fraud as they did in Ukraine where some NATzO embassy hired clowns took BS exit
    polls purportedly showing that Yanukovich won by fraud back in 2004.
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    Post  Kiko Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:13 am

    European Union believes the recent Peruvian ballot voting was "free and democratic".

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/20210624/union-europea-cree-que-el-balotaje-en-peru-fue-libre-y-democratico-1113527978.html

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    Post  andalusia Fri Jul 02, 2021 10:29 pm

    Here is a right wing critic who calls the new President elect of Peru a Marxist. I don't know the situation down there but is it any truth to what he is saying?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-us-become-peru-184600340.html
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    Post  George1 Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:36 pm

    andalusia wrote:Here is a right wing critic who calls the new President elect of Peru a Marxist. I don't know the situation down there but is it any truth to what he is saying?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-us-become-peru-184600340.html

    my own question would be this. We read fore peru "Until last year, Peru had been doing enormously well. ", "high rates of developments last years" etc
    Then why big part of the population (about 20%) still lives is at or below poverty rate?

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:32 am

    Western right wingers yammering about foreign Marxists is BS. They see a Marxist wherever there is any sane social policy.
    It is a type of schizophrenia where somehow European socialism is not called Marxism, but attempts in Latin America to dig
    out of the oligarch toilet and have the majority of the population live a decent life is all bad, bad, bad. America is not the
    universal ideal. It is a rotten oligarchy that managed to produce enough trickle down and welfare state intervention after WWII
    to achieve a large middle class. The US middle class has been shrinking as the virulent US oligarchy feels the need to steer
    the country in a more opportunist direction. America extracting profit form its colonial racket cannot be ignored. It is the
    slowing down of the tribute that is one of the key factors driving the current crisis in the USA. For the USA the global economy
    is a zero sum game and that is why it is now frothing at the mouth about the "existential threat" from China. China directly
    impacts the tribute train to the USA. China's balanced trade approach in Africa and elsewhere is diverting countries from
    the path of debt slavery and compardor economics where resources are pillaged by American and western transnationals.

    To anyone who thinks the above is all hyperbole, the USA tried to pull the exact same colonial racket in Russia. Comprador Yeltsin
    was used to sell Russia down the river with American and NATzO transnationals moving in to control key resource extraction.
    Western debt was quickly accumulating over the 1990s in Russia directly on account of the shock therapy "economics" that
    crashed Russia's GDP. Developing countries have been subjected to the same for decades. They stay forever developing.
    While the west dumps bile on China, it does not engage in this racket. It engages in real trade and investment. Western
    transnational "investment" consists of buying off corrupt local elites and then doing what they want. Chinese ones do not
    act this way. So at lest their "exploitation" is legitimate. The countries that are not happy with doing business with China
    can go back to the US plantation.

    Peru has had the fortune that the policies after 2000 were not neo-liberal fanaticism. So the poverty rate dropped from 60%
    to 20%. US right winters cannot claim credit for this.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:07 am

    Isn't that what most right wing people call left wing people?

    I mean the words Marxist don't mean anything if you can still vote them out... Chavez and Maduro were both called Socialists and dictators by right wing critics, but were voted in each election time.

    The best way to be called a Marxist in the west is to suggest the most rich and powerful should pay some income tax and so should their companies... most of which spend money on accountants and failing businesses that allow them to write off most of the tax they owe and they end up paying less tax that even the poor... but that is how the west got where it is today and the people with the money control the media so they don't want you to realise what is happening either.

    Most rich people will say they shouldn't have to pay tax because they have big powerful companies providing work and income for thousands of people who do pay tax... and work long hours at minimum wage... in third world countries where there is no minimum wage....

    It is strange that the countries in central and south america that show independence from the US seem to be the unlucky ones with the marxist and dictator leaders, when real US trained dictators get a free pass to do as they please to fight communism or whatever the current evil is...

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:37 am

    Even though this is off topic it supports my statement about the nature of China's engagement with the world via trade and investment
    instead of asset stripping.



    Read the comments below.

    I live in Cambodia where China is bombing the country with new freeways, ports, railroads and tons of gambling casinos. I have never seen so many Bentleys, Rolls Royces, Range Rovers, Lamborghinis, etc. They have brought prosperity here on a massive scale. My question is which is better a corrupt democracy that only brings weapons and poverty to its' people or a well designed communist leadership that brings prosperity to its' people and the Cambodian people also. My vote is for China.

    This is why the US and its minions always bleat about how their meddling through bombing and support for head choppers and liver eaters is "humanitarian".
    And China is accused of genocide for suppressing a foreign financed radical Muslim insurgency. The same tricks over and over.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:21 am

    The accusations of genocide are new and accurate if directed at the accusers as usual.

    Previous accusations were regarding debt traps with unaffordable loans for civil projects that will fail and collapse and leave the people poor and in debt and no better off... but as we can see plainly with our own two eyes and the locals can too that chinese roads are excellent... they are all over the place in the third world in Africa and spreading rapidly... and the new roads and infrastructure leads to commerce which leads to jobs which leads to the people earning a living and having money to spend and to pay back the loans and to develop and improve their country.

    China is not doing this for free or as charity... this has a purpose... a silk road full of potholes lined with armed bandits who can only make money by stealing from the goods trains does not work... modern roads and modern rail lines and safe and secure countries is what China needs to make this work so of course they want all these countries to grow and develop and succeed, because they can sell them stuff too, and buy stuff as well.

    The problem is that the US does not make any money in trade routes taking goods from Asia to the EU and back again, and what are the US experts at... or should I say what do their regime change policies normally result in....

    Chaos.

    The last thing China or these countries want, but exactly what the US wants and exactly the thing they are an expert in creating any where and any time... sadly.

    For all their claims to be the moral authority and the ethical centre of the universe... they are doing the work of the devil so they can continue to control money and so they don't have to work hard to make trillions... (that is the 1% in charge that are already offensively rich but want to be richer for some reason.)

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    Post  andalusia Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:40 am

    We can't forget that classism is a big part of Latin American culture which they inherited from the Spanish.  I think it reflects the attitude and worldview of conservatives in Latin American and why inequality is so wide there.

    https://expat-chronicles.com/2012/07/24/classism-clasismo-spanish-latin-america/

    https://expat-chronicles.com/2012/08/05/classism-maid-empleada-servant/

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:53 pm

    andalusia wrote:We can't forget that classism is a big part of Latin American culture which they inherited from the Spanish.  I think it reflects the attitude and worldview of conservatives in Latin American and why inequality is so wide there.

    https://expat-chronicles.com/2012/07/24/classism-clasismo-spanish-latin-america/

    https://expat-chronicles.com/2012/08/05/classism-maid-empleada-servant/

    This is a problem. Over time such outdated cultural norms should disappear and not persist. The genes of the rich are not superior to the
    genes of the poor. This is a racket to keep the kleptocratic minority in charge. The same one that was used in the past by royalty and
    aristocrats to claim legitimacy to run brutal dictatorships and use the vast majority as vassals.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:00 am

    We can't forget that classism is a big part of Latin American culture which they inherited from the Spanish. I think it reflects the attitude and worldview of conservatives in Latin American and why inequality is so wide there.

    The funny thing is that they call it class differences but you will find it is actually racism... the upper class and also rich land owners are related to the european invaders, and the lower class are the natives who live in shacks and don't own any land at all.


    There was a French mathematician, can't remember his name but he did the maths and looking at wealth and income and jobs and earning over an enormous period of hundreds and hundreds of years and his book showed categorically that you earn more money faster with money than you do with labour.

    There are very few real jobs you can do that will earn you 1 million dollars a year except being head of a big company or a high up executive.

    However if you have 1 billion dollars it is actually very easy to buy things that will massively increase your wealth... you could go to a major city in a country that is growing and developing anywhere in the world and buy property... hang on to it for 3-4 years and then double your money when you sell it... buy 50 houses at 1 million dollars each and then 4 years later sell them all for 2 million dollars each and make 50 million dollars in 4 years.

    Rich (powerful) people don't want that loophole closed because it is an easy way to make easy money, but it drives the costs of houses and rents up and is destroying families futures because no only in four years time can they not afford to rent the cost to buy keeps accelerating out of reach too.

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:00 pm

    Bolivia is an example of a racist "white" clique lording over the vast majority that are aboriginal. Funny how this aspect is never
    discussed in the western fake stream media. It's always about commies vs. democrats. I guess the US and minion definition of
    democracy is racist dictatorship.

    I suppose Peru has similar issues since the aboriginal population did not mostly die out like North America.

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