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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:53 pm

    Svinets is 3BM46 and is from the 90s. It is 546mm long.

    Svinets-1/2 3BM59/60 and are from the 00s. They are around 750mm long and usable with new autoloaders on very last tank upgrades like t-80BVM or t-90M which were put in service just recently.

    I doubt they bought any big stock of the old Svinets which has almost the same specs as the older Lekalo 3BM44M. The new tanks are for sure geting svinets-1/2.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:53 pm

    Isos wrote:Svinets-1/2 3BM59/60 and are from the 00s. They are around 750mm long and usable with new autoloaders on very last tank upgrades like t-80BVM or t-90M which were put in service just recently.

    I thought that the T-90 and 72B3 had the improved autoloader?
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:38 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    Isos wrote:Svinets-1/2 3BM59/60 and are from the 00s. They are around 750mm long and usable with new autoloaders on very last tank upgrades like t-80BVM or t-90M which were put in service just recently.

    I thought that the T-90 and 72B3 had the improved autoloader?

    I think only t-72B3 and t-90M. Former t-72 certainly not and first generation t-90 can't use Svinets-1/2.

    T-72B3 started service in 2013 and is also getting svinets-1/2.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:19 am

    Former t-72 certainly not and first generation t-90 can't use Svinets-1/2.

    So all the new upgraded T-72s and all the upgraded T-90s will be able to use them... and of course all the upgraded T-80s.

    So effectively all the upgraded vehicles and all the new vehicles will be able to use the new ammo...
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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Former t-72 certainly not and first generation t-90 can't use Svinets-1/2.

    So all the new upgraded T-72s and all the upgraded T-90s will be able to use them... and of course all the upgraded T-80s.

    So effectively all the upgraded vehicles and all the new vehicles will be able to use the new ammo...

    They ARE using them since all the new tanks are already in service.

    So the production exists which was the original question.
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    Post  franco Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:50 am

    MOSCOW, September 12. /TASS/. More than 240 modern and modernized T-72B3M, T-80BVM and T-90M "Breakthrough" tanks will be received by the Ground Forces of the Russian army this year. This was reported to journalists in the Russian Defense Ministry.

    "This year, more than 240 modern and modernized T-72B3M, T-80BVM and T-90M "Breakthrough" tanks are being delivered to the military units of the Ground Forces, " the military department said.

    The ministry stressed that at the current stage of development, the tank fleet is updated annually.

    "The enterprises of the military-industrial complex supply the units of the Ground Forces with modern samples of armored vehicles that have successfully proven themselves during operation in various climatic zones," the Defense Ministry noted.

    Today, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation celebrate a professional holiday for the 75th time - the Day of the Tankman, which is one of the most significant in the Land Forces. The holiday was established by the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of 1946 to commemorate the merits of armored and mechanized troops in the defeat of the Nazi invaders during the Great Patriotic War, as well as the merits of tank builders in equipping the Armed Forces of the country with armored vehicles.

    Tank formations, having great firepower, reliable armor protection and high maneuverability, still remain the main striking force of the Ground Forces. Solemn events dedicated to the Day of the Tankman will be held in all tank formations and military units.

    NOTE: from previous releases 93 T-72B3M, 82 T-80BVM and 65 T-90M. In addition 20 T-14 are due to arrive this year. Plus no mention of how many tanks the Naval Coastal troops are receiving. From reports and sightings there is a new battalion of T-72B3M's in the Crimea and others to the Kaliningrad (most likely another battalion).

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12364041?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

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    Post  lancelot Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:00 am

    HATO should be sweating pervasively at this but they seem remarkably calm. Sometimes I wonder how dumb HATO leaders are.

    Germany barely moved with taking some Leopard 2 tanks out of mothballs and running them through an upgrade program.
    Both the USA and France/Germany finally are working on next generation tank designs at a snail's pace.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:58 am

    They are not dumb at any point.
    This is an answer to the question, how much is Europe in general afraid of "evil Russkies".
    We don't give a shit, no sane European beliefs in the EU-Russia war.
    Germans pushed the storage of Leo2 forward to the east, because why should they pay for keeping them on the depots, while they could earn a good bunch of euros putting them in Poland's, Hungary, or Bulgaria's hands?
    Why don't earn money for phobias?

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    Post  lancelot Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:31 am

    Yeah no kidding. The Netherlands sold all their tanks. Well, they still have a handful for parades and things like that.
    The Poles are buying Leopard A4s and upgrading them and having to pretend they enjoy it.
    Somehow I doubt these "upgraded" Leopard A4s will fair much better than the ones the Turks bought not that long ago.
    The chassis for example seemingly has zero improvements in the Leopard 2 PL "upgrade".

    Still I think that HATO is underestimating the importance of armor as usual. In case of an open conflict in Ukraine for example it would be just fodder.
    A lot of people think Cold War 2.0 will be a remake of 1.0. But then they forget the invasion of Czechoslovakia and other episodes like that.

    Russia is highly moderate and Putin has refrained from using strength quite a lot really. But imagine a US vs Mexico situation where Mexico expropriates a gas pipeline from a US company like Poland might do to Russia.
    What would happen next?
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:15 pm

    Frankly speaking, the only thing that amazes is the numbers that Russia is capable of fielding on a yearly basis.
    And that is not only because of the cost of that - it is quite obvious that Russian expenditures are far more reasonable and cost-effective than western countries, yet US ...
    The real deal is the fact, that they are the only country on the planet capable to make the tanks in hundreds. That requires an extensive industrial output, very good logistics, and a real good management.
    Take a look and compare that to the programs running in other countries.
    In the UK, they will upgrade half of the tanks Russkies put into operation each year ... till 2040 Shocked
    How many tanks can Lima scrapyard refurbish? 30 a year? scratch Seriously, no idea, it was a bankrupt barn only 3 years ago.

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 12, 2021 1:46 pm

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    Post  limb Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:50 pm

    lancelot wrote:HATO should be sweating pervasively at this but they seem remarkably calm. Sometimes I wonder how dumb HATO leaders are.

    Germany barely moved with taking some Leopard 2 tanks out of mothballs and running them through an upgrade program.
    Both the USA and France/Germany finally are working on next generation tank designs at a snail's pace.

    They believe:
    T-72B3Ms and T-80BVMs are hopelessly obsolete and that they can't fire APFSDS that can penetrate M1A2 or leopard 2A6 armor

    They believe Russia will never be able to afford more than a few dozen T-14s and they drank their own Kool aid about the T-14 being cancelled
    NATO believes Russian ground forces are a trifle to deal with because NATO is guaranteed to achieve complete air superiority.


    Pretty retarded

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    Post  Mir Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:51 pm

    Even though NATO expanded from 16 to 30 nations after the Cold War ended it lost almost all capability to sustain any kind of conventional war against Russia. Russia on the other hand certainly has the capability to defend itself against any conventional attack from the NATO countries.

    Even if NATO can somehow manage to attain air superiority during the initial strike, I doubt that those combat aircraft would have the luxury of operating from too many airbases again.

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    Post  limb Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:09 am

    Hole wrote:Russian Ground Forces: News #3 - Page 3 E_bz7r10
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    Why do russians remove the sideskirts of their T-72s both during training and combat?
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    Post  Mir Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:11 am

    limb wrote:
    Why do russians remove the sideskirts of their T-72s both during training and combat?

    There are plenty of pictures where they have the side skirts on during exercises, but they do remove them sometimes as it makes maintenance on the suspension and tracks a lot easier. They would normally keep them on during combat as it offers a bit more protection.
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:16 pm

    Light tactical vechile "Sarmat-2" during "Zapad-2021" at the Mulino training ground



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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:00 pm

    Zemledelie remote mining engineering vehicle at the Zapad-2021 exercise
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 pm

    The conditional enemy at the Zapad-2021 exercises is marked with white lines. Such lines were used by the Ukrainian army in the Donbass
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:41 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:The conditional enemy at the Zapad-2021 exercises is marked with white lines. Such lines were used by the Ukrainian army in the Donbass
    https://i.servimg.com/u/f81/20/34/63/61/img_2267.jpg

    Condition of vehicles also resembles the Ukrainian army

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:51 pm

    It's the paint only.
    I get just the same feeling.
    Those things look burned down.
    But that may be desired Laughing

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:14 am

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:25 am


    Why do russians remove the sideskirts of their T-72s both during training and combat?

    Because they have no value during training, but get in the way in terms of mobility.

    The first German tanks into the Soviet Union didn't have sideskirts either, but after being introduced to anti tank rifles they started to adopt them.

    The overlapping wheels of the Panther was seen with great pride in Germany as an excellent way of improving ground pressure and performance... till they started to operate in the Soviet Union and found that mud built up between the wheels and if left overnight it would freeze solid and totally immobilise the vehicle.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:17 pm

    Specialists of the armored weapons storage base of the Eastern Military District have restored a Soviet tractor and crane made on the basis of the legendary T-34 tank. Cars have joined the exposition of the museum of the military unit in Arsenyev – you can see them only on open days, during a free visit to the territory.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:47 pm

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