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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 25, 2021 9:26 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    par far wrote:Hopefully they hang this mother fucker by balls and make a example out of him.

    I agree. The days of appeasement should be over.  The fact that European Council has the gall to threaten Russia with regime change and what not should be met with a strong heavy handed response but it isn't even given a god damn wisper.  It's almost like Putin wants them to do it and get away with it.

    This shit needs to end. Even if it means telling the EU they will turn them into glass if they don't stop and see if US will come to their rescue.  Most will give up.  Like Turkey when they made mention of blocking the straight to USSR and USSR told them they would be destroyed.

    Russia has the means and they know it. But they know Putin is such a pussy he keeps head down and quiet when they try to destroy Russia.

    Even fucking Luka has more balls.

    Nice way to mess the bigger picture.

    Putin believes, any attempts to mess with russia properly will be met with failure, so he is willing to put up with the antics as not to isolate russia from the European powers, Russia needs the money it gets from the EU via trade deals etc. Cutting them out will only economically harm the country.

    Someone will say "China" but China alone isn't going to be economically stable.  

    So telling them "Imma glass your arss" isn't worth it to Putin as in his eyes it would create more harm than good, sure he just views it as minor annoyances.

    Putin is a strategic thinker, he weighs the pros to the cons, don't get me wrong there are times he drops the ball massively with this mindset.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue May 25, 2021 9:29 pm

    **** off. Russia's exports constitute little to overall Russia's economy. At that, they are already diminished in trade and they don't need EU.

    Then again, I studied economics due to my job, you didn't.

    Overall trade co stories less than 20% of Russia's economy. Oil and gas constitute less than 9% and oil and gas is all they really trade with in the EU.

    Let that sink in.

    Putin just sucks at politics.

    EU on the other hand rely on cheap energy to upkeep production. Remove that and their economy sinks more. Like how all the farmers were pissed cause they relied on Russian market and sanctions hurt them. EU lost way more.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 25, 2021 10:17 pm

    Then you need a new job.

    WTO data in 2019 showed Russia exported USD 419.8 billion worth of goods in 2019, and imported USD 254.6 billion worth, posting a surplus of USD 164.3 billion.

    Their yearly intake is 1.7T, I am sure you can do basic math at this stage. You enjoy making up fairy tales eh?, less than 20 percent lol, with Nord Stream 2 that will only grow.

    But let me do the math for you that is around 27 percent China accounted for 13.4 percent of that 419B,

    Putin isn't about to lose Over 350B in exports of their annual revenue plus NS2 over something he considers a minor annoyance.

    Imports were less than 20 percent tho, long story short numbers don't lie Mike but you do and yes the WTO data is accurate as it keeps records of all global trades.

    While Putins does make bad choices here and there, to be fair running a country the size of russia is much much more complicated and hard than you can understand. So acting like you know better and they should just do something regardless of the cost is just idiotic pure and simple. Putin has to keep 144M people in mind when he makes his decisions, you do not.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 25, 2021 11:38 pm


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    Post  par far Wed May 26, 2021 12:47 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    par far wrote:Hopefully they hang this mother fucker by balls and make a example out of him.

    I agree. The days of appeasement should be over.  The fact that European Council has the gall to threaten Russia with regime change and what not should be met with a strong heavy handed response but it isn't even given a god damn wisper.  It's almost like Putin wants them to do it and get away with it.

    This shit needs to end. Even if it means telling the EU they will turn them into glass if they don't stop and see if US will come to their rescue.  Most will give up.  Like Turkey when they made mention of blocking the straight to USSR and USSR told them they would be destroyed.

    Russia has the means and they know it. But they know Putin is such a pussy he keeps head down and quiet when they try to destroy Russia.

    Even fucking Luka has more balls.

    Nice way to mess the bigger picture.

    Putin believes, any attempts to mess with russia properly will be met with failure, so he is willing to put up with the antics as not to isolate russia from the European powers, Russia needs the money it gets from the EU via trade deals etc. Cutting them out will only economically harm the country.

    Someone will say "China" but China alone isn't going to be economically stable.  

    So telling them "Imma glass your arss" isn't worth it to Putin as in his eyes it would create more harm than good, sure he just views it as minor annoyances.

    Putin is a strategic thinker, he weighs the pros to the cons, don't get me wrong there are times he drops the ball massively with this mindset.


    I don't think Russia cares much about the EU, the EU is fucked and won't likely be around in 5-10 years.

    The EU will continue trading with Russia because the EU needs it. The EU did not fully stop the trade in 2014, when the EU was in a better shape than it is now, so it is very very very unlikely the EU does it now.

    Also it was Merkel and Germany that wanted Nord Stream 2, not Russia or Putin.


    This is the EU that said it wanted "regime change" in Russia and Putin responded by saying "Russia will knock out the teeth of anyone that wants to bite Russia.

    So, hopefully an example is made out of this cocksucker, you want regime change, this is what happens to you.

    I think this was a Russian operation and Putin is making good on his "Russia will knock out the teeth of anyone that bites Russia" promise. Hopefully this assholes teeth are knocked out.

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    Post  Lurk83 Wed May 26, 2021 3:51 am

    Do you think this will greatly increase discontent against luka, now that the population won't be able to travel to EU except via Russia?
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    Post  par far Wed May 26, 2021 4:33 am

    Lurk83 wrote:Do you think this will greatly increase discontent against luka, now that the population won't be able to travel to EU except via Russia?


    How many people from Belarus traveled to the EU?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed May 26, 2021 8:06 am

    par far wrote:
    Lurk83 wrote:Do you think this will greatly increase discontent against luka, now that the population won't be able to travel to EU except via Russia?


    How many people from Belarus traveled to the EU?

    Hard to say but Belarus has around 400 flights in its airspace a day well did, about 100 of these went to the EU.

    So x100 buy 365 and you'd have an estimated 36.5K flights a year.

    Belarus from fees would get around 60k Euros a day from these flights.

    Last week they had about 3300 flights over their airspace that week and around 600 landed in the country.

    If you do math let's assume that 60k a year is a set number you get 21,600,000 a year from transit fees alone.

    Now let's cut that by 25 percent you get 5,400,000 yearly. in 2019 Belarus annual income was 63B.

    Now, this is just transit fees, sure there is more income related to it.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 26, 2021 9:55 am

    par far wrote:
    Lurk83 wrote:Do you think this will greatly increase discontent against luka, now that the population won't be able to travel to EU except via Russia?


    How many people from Belarus traveled to the EU?

    Legit question.

    I imagine the libtards will come out but they may be dwindled in numbers as most will now realize working with the west may get you into trouble.
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    Post  GarryB Wed May 26, 2021 10:11 am

    Russia needs to wean itself off the EU because the current EU are anti Russian... why would Russia reward that?

    Russia needs to look to the rest of the world for trade and travel, there are plenty of countries out there with money and goods wanting to trade and not wanting to bully Russia or tell Russia what it can or cannot do.

    This ryanair case is an example where sanctions are imposed on Russia over allegations of election interference, but arresting an agitator trying to interfere in the elections and normal operations of the Belarus government is seen as anti democratic.

    The west can mind its own business.

    A plane in the airspace of Belarus is under their air traffic control so if they order it to land for what ever reason that is what international law states they have to do.

    Don't like it. Don't fly over their airspace.

    Reports of a bomb on board need to be investigated... and if a fugitive is on board then the authorities are obliged to execute any arrest warrants against them.

    If this was the US capturing Assange or Snowden then the west would not give a shit, so when they go apeshit over this it is just sour grapes at losing again... as usual.

    Now they will have to spend millions more dollars grooming some other patsy to perform their illegal and immoral regime change missions.

    Boo Hoo.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 26, 2021 10:13 am

    How many people from Belarus traveled to the EU?

    Their anti democracy and anti Russian attitude... makes you wonder what sort of citizens do travel to EU countries and why... programming?

    Perhaps a travel ban will be a very good thing.

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    Post  par far Wed May 26, 2021 6:49 pm

    What this does is just push Belarus into the arms of Russia, to be honest, whoever was behind this operation wanted this exact thing, I think overtime Belarus will be slowly integrated into Russia.  

    As for people from Belarus traveling to the EU, they can just go to fly to Moscow and go anywhere(this may push many people in Belarus to get Russian passports.)

    I don't think that the airlines will stop going through Belarus, Ryanair was told to stop using Belarus airspace and they basically said f you.




    "EU stupidity on full display with latest Belarus sanctions"

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    Post  LMFS Wed May 26, 2021 11:43 pm

    The bastard, totally unmasked:

    https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/1397607240689930243

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    Post  kvs Thu May 27, 2021 1:51 am

    LMFS wrote:The bastard, totally unmasked:

    https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/1397607240689930243

    He is a journalist like the "cancer patient" who stole the plans for the Shkval torpedo is not a US spy.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu May 27, 2021 7:39 am

    Yeah, both him and his whore should be thrown in jail for life.

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    Post  mavaff Thu May 27, 2021 3:03 pm

    It seems Russia is blocking all incoming flights which avoid Belarus airspace. If confirmed, quite huge.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 27, 2021 3:51 pm

    mavaff wrote:It seems Russia is blocking all incoming flights which avoid Belarus airspace. If confirmed, quite huge.

    If confirmed, that would be awesome Cool

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    Post  Yugo90 Thu May 27, 2021 7:56 pm

    That idiot protasevich is on some kind of drugs 100 %. You can see it on his face...he doesn't look normal....like some kind of SS gmo experiment...I hope he gets what he deserves.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 27, 2021 9:01 pm

    mavaff wrote:It seems Russia is blocking all incoming flights which avoid Belarus airspace. If confirmed, quite huge.

    It's confirmed:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1442147/russia-news-war-fears-moscow-stops-plane-lufthansa-austrian-airlines-eu-Belarus

    Well they are just being environmentally conscious, they should not allow airplanes which needlessly waste fuel and pollute the atmosphere to land, it leads to global warming which affects everyone angel

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    Post  JohninMK Fri May 28, 2021 4:59 pm

    The past catching up

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    Post  JohninMK Fri May 28, 2021 5:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    mavaff wrote:It seems Russia is blocking all incoming flights which avoid Belarus airspace. If confirmed, quite huge.

    Well they are just being environmentally conscious, they should not allow airplanes which needlessly waste fuel and pollute the atmosphere to land, it leads to global warming which affects everyone angel
    Flight allowed to operate today.
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    Post  Backman Mon May 31, 2021 4:58 pm

    New narrative. Southfront reckons that this could have been a setup. That the CIA wanted to throw Roman P. under the bus. Before you laugh , watch the video. I am skeptical but I do find it awfully strange that Belarus would use Hamas as the fake bomb scare culprit. BUT there is nothing strange about the CIA using Hamas as the bomb threat culprit if it was a setup on their end. It totally makes sense that they would use Hamas to get a bad headline in on them.

    https://youtu.be/AwjMawhH1qQ
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    Post  kvs Mon May 31, 2021 6:07 pm

    Even if it is a setup by the US intelligence outfits, the western reaction is still utter BS. "Unprecedented", "air piracy". Over the top drivel
    coming from countries that engage in exactly this sort of activity and who support Ukraine that did this about one year ago. Sure does not
    take much to rile up the western sheeple. Do they even remember what happened 3 days ago?

    That is not a silly question. When you don't pay attention and are apathetic, you do not develop memory that persists. This is why
    people remember moments of intense impression, such as when they were shocked by some event.
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    Post  Hole Mon May 31, 2021 11:34 pm

    A Ryanair plane had to land in Berlin today because of a bomb threat. I wasn´t "forced" to land this time. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:23 am

    And that is a good point... there is no evidence that Belarus forced the Ryanair plane to land in Belarus... normally it would land at the closest airfield large enough to allow a landing so the threat can be checked out as quickly as possible... force does not come in to it. They were in Belarus airspace and the controller there had every right to direct the plane as they pleased.... that is what air controller means... at least he wasn't like that Swiss air controller that directed that aircraft full of gifted Russian children into a cargo plane killing them all... no outrage then at all... and children died... as well as everyone else on both aircraft.

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