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    Post  kvs Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:18 pm

    EU-tards will be thanking Pukeraine in a few years when Russia stops transit of gas through the decrepit pipes over
    its territory. Russia will not be compensating for the lost export capacity of NS2. Power of Siberia 2 will be tapping
    the source fields that were going to feed NS2. Russia extended the gas transit through Pukeraine until 2025 because
    it needed the time to complete the pipeline infrastructure in the east and to keep to its contract obligations.

    But EU-tards and their Pukerainian shit eaters think that Russia is desperate for their "hard" dollars.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:55 am

    These former Soviet republics respect power and money and will jump ships like rats the first chance they get.

    There is no need for Russia to invade any country... just look after its own interests and its own people and develop and grow as a nation and those neighbours that jumped ship and kicked holes in the life boats as they fled can come crawling back...

    Who cares who claims responsibility for denying the EU alternative energy supply routes... the fact of the matter is that by fighting Russia they are harming themselves... because the purpose of the NSII pipes is cheap gas energy for German so it can produce goods cheaper and make more money.

    Germany is the production centre of the EU so when it is failing then the whole EU is weakened.

    Russia is trying to add more gas supply options and Poland and Ukraine and the US are trying to stop them.

    But the EU does not realise who is friend and who is foe because they are fucking morons.

    Putin should hand them the win... he should write a decree stating that NSII cannot be used for 5 years.

    Gazprom will still pump gas to the EU, but it will cost them more because of all the transit fees added on as a little tax to subsidise the US/EU experiment in the Ukraine.

    So the only losers will be the people in Europe who are going to have to pay more for their gas... to make America happy.

    I would think this alone would be reason enough to ban the Ukraine from ever entering the EU... they are costing them enough as it is and if they entered the amount of money needed to fix the Ukraine... well I would actually support entry of the Ukraine to both the EU and HATO... I wonder how many ME refugees they will take?

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    Post  lancelot Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:21 am

    GarryB wrote:Kaliningrad has a nuclear power station in construction that should be operational in the mid 2020s, so electricity supply that goes through the Baltic States and Belarus could be stopped at the Belarus border perhaps for a start. Nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad obviously. I am sure he probably has a long list of things they could do...

    The Kaliningrad nuclear power plant was cancelled and the equipment was used in the Belarussian nuclear power plant. A Gigawatt-class nuclear power plant in Kaliningrad only made sense if they could export the excess generation to the surrounding countries but Russia failed to get them to agree to purchasing power from it. So Russia added a lot of natural gas power plants to Kaliningrad including an LNG port facility. Maybe once the 300 MW VVER nuclear power plants become available they'll try it again.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:07 am

    But there will be something even better on the ex NPP location in Tuszino, and that is the newest addition to Rosatom crown jewels.
    A car battery plant rated at more than 3GWh yearly output, and by the date of factory start up -2026 - they can increase it up to 12GWh.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:30 pm

    Well they could simply send a new floating NPP to sit in the Baltic Sea and provide Kaliningrad with heat and power...
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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:37 pm

    Crap article, interesting map of what the west is thinking.

    Germany says it is 'greatly concerned' by Putin's threat against West https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10336583/Germany-says-greatly-concerned-Putins-threat-military-measures-against-West.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:36 pm

    ALAMO wrote:But there will be something even better on the ex NPP location in Tuszino, and that is the newest addition to Rosatom crown jewels.
    A car battery plant rated at more than 3GWh yearly output, and by the date of factory start up  -2026 - they can increase it up to 12GWh.

    Confused, is that a grid backup site made of car batteries or an EV battery producing site?
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:40 pm

    First the chemical weapon preparation, now this

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    Putin: one gets the impression that a third military operation is being prepared in Ukraine and they are warning us - do not interfere. We must somehow react to this.


    Perhaps for Christmas?

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:42 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Crap article, interesting map of what the west is thinking.

    Germany says it is 'greatly concerned' by Putin's threat against West https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10336583/Germany-says-greatly-concerned-Putins-threat-military-measures-against-West.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

    The west proved its incapable of pulling even a decent sized force in a reasonable time frame to do anything. They can be concerned all they want. But the more they do stupid shit to piss Russia off, they may find that they should be more concerned about half their nation being vaporized.

    But they are too stupid.

    JohninMK wrote:First the chemical weapon preparation, now this

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    It's as if they think Russia cares about their threats.  Cause Ukraine is a weak ant. Any attack on dnr/lnr would be met with support from Russia. The reason why Russia mentions what it is mentioning about western mercs, is to prepare its people that they will support eastern Ukraine.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:37 pm

    Even if Russia invaded the west won't put boots on the ground, arms maybe but that will only prolong the pain. Ukraine is so corrupt they will end up selling their nations assets and ammo to whoever before fleeing the country and leaving the working class in the shit. It's already happened and any war within the country involving Russia will only accelerate it. Once key areas are under control as I previously mentioned week or so ago, the rest of Ukraine will be left with next to nothing and key industries gone. It will end up in shit state and EU and USA will no longer be interested in a landlocked Ukraine with all key industries gone.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:51 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Crap article, interesting map of what the west is thinking.

    Germany says it is 'greatly concerned' by Putin's threat against West https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10336583/Germany-says-greatly-concerned-Putins-threat-military-measures-against-West.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead

    If Crimea is occupied, then so is Kosovo.

    NATzO sheeple are fed a daily diet of excrement.

    That map was drawn by a child-level adult. None of the highlighted zones are actual staging areas for the Russian army.
    They can go back to finger painting.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Confused, is that a grid backup site made of car batteries or an EV battery producing site?

    This year, RENERA, owned by TVEL, that is owned by Rosatom, purchased 49% shares of South Korean Enertech International Inc. Sounds complicated enough? Laughing
    Koreans specialised in lithium-ion cells.
    The plant will be huge, they plan a 2000 people to work there.
    It will supply any type of industrial high capacity batteries&cells, for backup systems, vehicles, whatever. That is why we already hear about quadrupling the output, as the Russian market demand is huge, and increasing steadily.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:16 pm



    Hilarious. Ukrian masturbators were swimming in a sea of their own spooge over the stellar success of some moronic
    Javelin demonstration. But their stellar success involved the missile missing the target by a wide margin. Winning!

    Note that the Ukrs think they will be fighting the Russian army and its tanks with reactive armour. Even the American
    owners of the Kiev regime admit that the Javelin is useless against active protection.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:54 pm

    Would be interesting to see APS equipped specialized tank battalion lead the charge into a fortified defensive emplacement , rendering the atgm and javelins of the enemy totally useless, and then followed up by a more massive regularize tank battalion to mop up what is left.

    Very innovative idea when western armies are discarding armor and leaving their infantry without air defense or armor

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:58 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Hilarious.   Ukrian masturbators were swimming in a sea of their own spooge over the stellar success of some moronic
    Javelin demonstration.   But their stellar success involved the missile missing the target by a wide margin.  Winning!

    Note that the Ukrs think they will be fighting the Russian army and its tanks with reactive armour.  Even the American
    owners of the Kiev regime admit that the Javelin is useless against active protection.  


    I was going to share it. You've been faster.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:18 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Would be interesting to see APS equipped specialized tank battalion lead the charge into a fortified defensive emplacement , rendering the atgm and javelins of the enemy totally useless, and then followed up by a more massive regularize tank battalion to mop up what is left.

    Very innovative idea when western armies are discarding armor and leaving their infantry without air defense or armor

    Its called the creeping barrage: A heavy, almost physical wall of fragments and shell splinters 100 m ahead of your advancing armor. And yes its a WW1 classic. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:46 pm

    Of course the God of war raining on the enemy is a mandatory course of action prior to the assault.

    But I imagine those who survived seeing their shots get knocked out of the way of a wall of t72b3m dashing straight for them would quickly kill the idea of any resistance fairly quickly,

    That is if they are all not dead by then
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    Post  calripson Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:49 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Hilarious.   Ukrian masturbators were swimming in a sea of their own spooge over the stellar success of some moronic
    Javelin demonstration.   But their stellar success involved the missile missing the target by a wide margin.  Winning!

    Note that the Ukrs think they will be fighting the Russian army and its tanks with reactive armour.  Even the American
    owners of the Kiev regime admit that the Javelin is useless against active protection.  


    Do Donbass tanks have active protection?
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    Post  lyle6 Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:11 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Of course the God of war raining on the enemy is a mandatory course of action prior to the assault.

    But I imagine those who survived seeing their shots get knocked out of the way of a wall of t72b3m dashing straight for them would quickly kill the idea of any resistance fairly quickly,

    That is if they are all not dead by then

    All ATGMs have a minimum firing range. Once you close in within that envelope they are nothing but paperweights and the tank can take you out at their leisure, either by the main gun or by its tracks. Of course there are still self-defence weapons like RPGs which could fire much closer but they are exactly why the T-72B3s are bristling with ERA all over their surface area. Shellshocked and disorganized soldiers are also in no state to contest a rapid dismounted assault, supported by copious amounts of heavy direct fire support.

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    Post  Hole Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:First the chemical weapon preparation, now this

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    OSCE "reporting" propaganda BS.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:54 pm

    Russia isn't party to the conflict and so Russia didn't agree to anything. OSCE is making shit up. Russia already said they discredited themselves especially over Syria gas attacks.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:19 pm

    White House says US will ‘never’ agree to some Russian proposals


    The US has not yet given an official response to Russian proposals about security guarantees, but would “never” agree to some of them, the White House told reporters on Thursday.

    The same official said the Biden team had “not yet responded substantively” to Russia’s security proposals, but intended to do so during the January talks. While there were some areas the US “may be able to explore,” others were not in play, the official said.

    It's gonna be piecemeal to U.S/"West" perceived strategic advantage or nothing. Obviously also looking for Russia to mirror (or worse) whatever they accept.

    "Our security proposals are not meant to be piecemeal..." Well well well..

    Russian Su-35 edged out by US & French fighter jets

    https://www.rt.com/russia/544215-indonesia-russian-jet-fighters/

    Regarding the Sukhoi Su-35, with a heavy heart, yes, we have abandoned that plan. We can’t just keep talking about it,” Air Marshal Fadjar Prasetyo told reporters on Wednesday.

    Benar News quoted Prasetyo as saying that the decision was made because of a “protracted” acquisition process, and the fear that Indonesia may be hit by US sanctions for buying weapons from Moscow.

    The $1.1 billion deal to replace obsolete F-5 Tiger aircraft with Russia’s highly maneuverable jet fighters was signed in 2018, but the implementation of the contract stalled.

    Fadjar said Indonesia will be now looking at purchasing F-15EX Eagle IIs and French Dassault Rafale fighters. “The F-15 EX team has come to me and they told us if we signed an agreement today, we will receive the first units around 2027,” Fadjar said.

    CAATSA has worked great on the small players. Heavy Russian hardware export deals to new players can be counted by hand, if there is anything to count at all.

    Outside of the Turkish S-400 protest acquisition (done in protest to U.S arming/securing the YPG + coup), what else is there of note since CAATSA's inception? Zilch...

    Billions and billions of dollars into Russian coffers to buttress their industries torpedoed just like that...

    Doesn't matter if you have the superior product, doesn't matter if you have the superior and cheaper product... doesn't matter how much you try to woe them with a great deal.... Fear of potential punishment reigns supreme.

    The French meanwhile have been very opportunistic and made bank. The U.S obviously also benefiting massively of words written on a piece of paper.

    Reality hits different, I know.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:20 pm

    Wrong again for the umpteenth time.

    Russia just signed massive deals with india which was the last ditch effort for US to get a foothold in central asia.

    It was quite a coup by Putin, over 21 deals signed worth more than 2.1 billion USD.

    That is far more valuable then half a squadron of f15SM sales to Indonesia.

    But they can settle for south east asia, I guess a tri is better than a Quad.

    As for the White House, putin is not negotiating with those Poli Sci graduates. Hes dealing with Brandon, and hel make sure Brandon's mic is off mute when he capitulates in private.

    As for the french , after that whopping 90 billion dollar submarine deal stolen by their "partners"

    I dont even think they can broke even.

    And oh UAE dumped the F35, so with rooks forking their queen, it's a checkmate.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:45 pm

    calripson wrote:
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    Hilarious.   Ukrian masturbators were swimming in a sea of their own spooge over the stellar success of some moronic
    Javelin demonstration.   But their stellar success involved the missile missing the target by a wide margin.  Winning!

    Note that the Ukrs think they will be fighting the Russian army and its tanks with reactive armour.  Even the American
    owners of the Kiev regime admit that the Javelin is useless against active protection.  


    Do Donbass tanks have active protection?

    They had it in 2014 with the North Wind delivered T-72B3 (or something similar) models.   There are many videos and photos of these
    tanks.   By now I would expect the Donbass armies to have either upgraded T-64s or many more T-72 with APS.

    Anyway, the Ukrian retardation is epic.   They believe that Javelins and Bayraktars give them some sort of edge.   Both are a joke.
    The Ukrs had access to Soviet ATGMs which were no less potent than Javelins.   Bayrakatar drone magic is mostly media drivel
    over the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.   If Russia supplies Pantsirs to the Donbass, which it will not be afraid to do, then these
    toy planes will not even reach their targets. But Russia does not even have to supply Pantsirs. The Donbass defenders have
    shown they have effective EW ability against Ukrian drone operations. There is no reason to think that Ukria will be able to
    defeat this and Russia will make sure that no such scenario comes into reality.

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