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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

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    Post  medo Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:53 am

    The war in Donbass now lasted for three weeks and not many news from there...
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    Post  franco Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:53 pm

    Putin signs into law allowing open access to the Russia market for two Donbass republics.

    https://ria.ru/20211115/sertifikaty-1759192561.html

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    Post  franco Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:40 pm

    medo wrote:The war in Donbass now lasted for three weeks and not many news from there...

    You have to wonder what the end game is here. This has been a half ass show, perhaps a distraction re some other plan. The western blogger experts are either fighting for their next year Atlantic Council grants etc or just putting on a show for some other purpose... a whole lot of crying over troops on the Ukrainian border and the poor refugees on the Belarus Polish border. A lot of the crying has lately been focused on troop and equipment build up at Yelnya which is near Smolensk and not near the Ukrainian border. However it is near the Belarus border, perhaps in case NATO and the EU are planning another coup attempt on Lukashenko... who knows but a lot of noise is being made about nothing.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:08 pm

    franco wrote:
    medo wrote:The war in Donbass now lasted for three weeks and not many news from there...

    You have to wonder what the end game is here. This has been a half ass show, perhaps a distraction re some other plan. The western blogger experts are either fighting for their next year Atlantic Council grants etc or just putting on a show for some other purpose... a whole lot of crying over troops on the Ukrainian border and the poor refugees on the Belarus Polish border. A lot of the crying has lately been focused on troop and equipment build up at Yelnya which is near Smolensk and not near the Ukrainian border. However it is near the Belarus border, perhaps in case NATO and the EU are planning another coup attempt on Lukashenko... who knows but a lot of noise is being made about nothing.

    It's a show.

    Majority of people have zero knowledge of geography so they would not know where exactly is close to Russian Ukrainian border and what not. So it's to make sure their own people are on the hate Russia bandwagon

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:39 am

    Putin signs into law allowing open access to the Russia market for two Donbass republics.

    Actually that is vastly more important than it sounds.

    With the two Donbass republics having no access to the neighbouring Russian market both regions would be dependent essentially on the Ukraine for most trade... a bit like the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia was to Georgia.

    The peace agreement in that region meant Russia could not openly trade with each region as they were considered to be part of Georgia.

    The independence of Kosovo is what changed things in Georgia... Russia opened its markets to South Ossetia and Abkhazia and so their economies flourished and all of a sudden they really didn't need close ties with Georgia any more so the tie eater was forced to either accept losing them forever or to gamble on a quick invasion to seize the territory of the weaker state (South Ossetia) in the hope of overwhelming them fast and making resistance or Russian action ineffective to change the situation back.

    We know the final result there.

    If things improve in these breakaway Ukrainian regions economically then other areas in the Ukraine might consider the same, and these regions will certainly no longer need Kiev for anything at all making them rather too independent.

    A rash attempt to invade like the tie eater could seal the deal the way it did in Georgia.

    Which makes this a vastly more bold move than it was last time... which seemed more a response to Kosovo declaring independence... but obviously they realised it might force the ongoing border problems and shelling etc etc.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:51 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Putin signs into law allowing open access to the Russia market for two Donbass republics.

    Actually that is vastly more important than it sounds.

    Open access into Russia for Donbas coal, which will really piss Kiev off.

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:22 pm



    While the NATzO fake stream media is making a stink over Russian troops "moving to Ukraine's borders", the
    Kiev regime is massing troops on the border of the Donbass and is also preparing a "legal" framework for
    the ethnic cleansing campaign it plans.   Recall Operations Flash and Storm in the mid 1990s when Croatia
    ethnically cleansed Serbs from Krajina and both east and west Slavonia.  

    The "legal" document that Kiev is drafting declares Russia as a military aggressor in the Donbass and
    defines Donbass residents as criminals for resisting its "legitimate" rule.

    NATzO green-lighted the operations in Croatia and now is doing the same in Banderastan.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:29 pm

    well, they may get their wish soon if Ukraine does try to roll in, the Russians may push their shit in.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:31 pm

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    Simply I am unable to find any words to comment.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/540415-eu-leaders-prepare-for-war/

    Ukraine tells EU leaders: Prepare for war with Russia

    Paris and Berlin must brace themselves for a potential outbreak of fighting between Russia and Ukraine, Kiev’s foreign minister has warned amid unsubstantiated rumors Moscow is building up its military forces at the shared border.
    Dmitry Kuleba sounded the alarm on Monday during a meeting with his Western counterparts, saying that the West would have to avoid being tied up in bureaucracy in the event of a conflict. “If Russia starts acting, you simply won’t have time physically to coordinate, to go through all the bureaucratic procedures, to coordinate decisions,” he said.

    “So please do the preparatory work now, because if the military scenario happens, there will simply be no time,” he urged his French and German counterparts, Jean-Yves Le Drian and Heiko Maas.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:43 pm

    The Europeans than gave him a cookie and sent him on his way. To which the French and Germans laughed and came to same conclusion that Ukraine is screwed one way or another.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:55 pm

    Distraction now out of the way.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:24 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:.........Ukraine tells EU leaders: Prepare for war with Russia

    Paris and Berlin must brace themselves for a potential outbreak of fighting between Russia and Ukraine...

    I am sure that in case of war between the Ukraine and Russia both Paris and Berlin will be just fine

    Kiev though...



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    Post  Hole Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:09 pm

    It´s not the russian way to bomb a city just because it´s the capital. They will hit military targets, including communication nodes outside of the city, keeping the "decvision makers" '( Laughing Laughing Laughing ) in the dark what is happening only a few kilometres away.

    Why bomb the presidental palace or parliament if it is much more fun to watch dumbass politicians running around blind and deaf?
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:26 pm

    Hole wrote:It´s not the russian way to bomb a city just because it´s the capital. They will hit military targets, including communication nodes outside of the city, keeping the "decvision makers" '( Laughing Laughing Laughing ) in the dark what is happening only a few kilometres away.

    Why bomb the presidental palace or parliament if it is much more fun to watch dumbass politicians running around blind and deaf?

    I can think of one target in Kiev that richly deserves demolition, the SBU HQ.

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    Post  franco Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote: I can think of one target in Kiev that richly deserves demolition, the SBU HQ.

    Sounds good however last that I heard, the CIA occupied one floor angel

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:31 am

    franco wrote:
    JohninMK wrote: I can think of one target in Kiev that richly deserves demolition, the SBU HQ.

    Sounds good however last that I heard, the CIA occupied one floor angel  

    Two for the price of one special.

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:54 pm

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    On Ukraine's shopping list are 2 minehunters, 8 missile ships, a frigate + weapons

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:38 pm

    Isos wrote:Deborah Haynes
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    NEW: Britain & Ukraine have finalised a treaty that will enable 🇺🇦 to seek loans from 🇬🇧 to buy British warships & missiles at a time of heightened tensions with Russia.
    On Ukraine's shopping list are 2 minehunters, 8 missile ships, a frigate + weapons

    Wow.

    A frigate? Probably not.  Those are stupid expensive unless its some old dilapidated one.  A loan Ukraine wont be able to repay of course.

    I do wonder, do Ukrainians actually think that those measly ships and weapons they want to purchase will actually scare Russians? Those vessels would be sunk within minutes by the kilo's in the area alone. Not to mention Russia's coastal systems.

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:17 pm

    Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.
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    Post  VARGR198 Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:31 pm

    Electricity supplies to Ukraine will be suspended starting November 18 - Ministry of Energy of Belarus

    suspended electricty

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:43 pm

    Isos wrote:Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.

    That is true, they can be nasty. But once again, I imagine submarines would be first to strike because they wont be seen before hitting. Or they may hit with airforce or even just launching a missile. The Russians have the range advantage.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:50 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.

    That is true, they can be nasty.  But once again, I imagine submarines would be first to strike because they wont be seen before hitting.  Or they may hit with airforce or even just launching a missile.  The Russians have the range advantage.

    The UK's Harpoons are obsolete and are being taken out of UK service. Mind you that might suit Ukraine, they are used to hand me down crap, they no doubt have the skills to refurbish gear.

    Crazy move by the UK but no doubt plays well with the Master in Washington.

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:42 pm

    Some british and banderite politicians get theirs bribes, the regime in Kiev moves deeper into debt... Win/win for the western values (= $/€)

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:35 am


    Open access into Russia for Donbas coal, which will really piss Kiev off.

    Even if Russia does not want that coal they can send it by rail to China who do want coal, so even if Russia does not directly buy it they can use the Russian rail network to send it to China and make good money.

    well, they may get their wish soon if Ukraine does try to roll in, the Russians may push their shit in.

    If the freedom fighters don't defeat them first.

    Ukraine tells EU leaders: Prepare for war with Russia

    And EU leaders will tell the Ukraine if you are stupid enough to start a war with Russia then you are on your own...

    Sounds good however last that I heard, the CIA occupied one floor

    That is their problem isn't it?

    NEW: Britain & Ukraine have finalised a treaty that will enable 🇺🇦 to seek loans from 🇬🇧 to buy British warships & missiles at a time of heightened tensions with Russia.
    On Ukraine's shopping list are 2 minehunters, 8 missile ships, a frigate + weapons

    Hilarious but the UK should be cautious.... they will likely quickly run up a huge debt and find they can't pay it back and where did the money go?

    Actually their harpoons could be nasty. They would be targeted by aviation before they could go out of the port.

    Such vessels would justify taking the fleet seriously and sinking it at the first opportunity... a bit self defeating really.

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