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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:04 pm

    To insult Putin or insult Russians?

    Ukrainians are stupid. But damn, Russia are Russians. Russia does not equal Putin. Holy shit.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:03 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:(..............)

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    In Serbia we call it a win-win situation lol1

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    Post  VARGR198 Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:34 am

    Breaking Reports coming in now of 2 huge explosions coming from the centre of Donetsk. #Donbass
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:40 am

    It's high time DNR/LNR obtain modified S-75's to be used as tactical missiles to hit Ukrainian positions. Much like what Yemen does.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:37 am

    VARGR198 wrote:Breaking Reports coming in now of 2 huge explosions coming from the centre of Donetsk. #Donbass

    Kiev is playing a stupid game and it will imminently get rewarded with a very, very stupid prize if it doesn't cease right now

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:55 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:(..............)

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    In Serbia we call it a win-win situation lol1


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    Post  franco Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:18 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:

    Thus the reason for the release of the correspondence with the French and German Foreign Ministers showing their refusal to pressure Ukraine to follow Minsk protocol.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:41 pm

    franco wrote:
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    Thus the reason for the release of the correspondence with the French and German Foreign Ministers showing their refusal to pressure Ukraine to follow Minsk protocol.  

    That actually came before Moscow said no to talks.
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:20 pm

    Believe the actions are connected. 2021 has been interesting in that both China and Russia have reached a point where they really don't care what the Western Alliance wants, says or thinks. Iran has adopted a similar response along with an increasing number of "third world" countries.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:57 pm

    franco wrote:Believe the actions are connected. 2021 has been interesting in that both China and Russia have reached a point where they really don't care what the Western Alliance wants, says or thinks. Iran has adopted a similar response along with an increasing number of "third world" countries.

    Well, since Russia and China are capable of telling the west to go take a hike, it is beneficial for smaller states, since they got someone else to work with then.

    Iran had no choice and I give them credit for standing their ground for so long.

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 19, 2021 7:30 pm

    The only bad thing Iran did was the reaction after the treaty was signed and western countries "lifted" some of the sanctions (for an hour or so). Instead of making deals with Russia and China they went to their oppressors.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:(..............)

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    In Serbia we call it a win-win situation lol1





    That is a big change from how things were between these two back in early 2007:

    https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/214/bosnia-trained-terrorists-enter-ukraine



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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:01 am

    The only bad thing Iran did was the reaction after the treaty was signed and western countries "lifted" some of the sanctions (for an hour or so). Instead of making deals with Russia and China they went to their oppressors.

    Yeah, I would not underestimate the west... their lifting of sanctions and unfreezing of funds probably had some hidden restrictions... like you can only spend your money in our store...
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:30 pm

    A bit more on the UK naval deal

    Tensions on the rise in the Black Sea. London recently announced that it will be selling warships to Ukraine. The vessels would be allocated in the Black Sea region. The possible deal belies a previous announcement by the British government that it would not sell arms to Ukraine and increases regional frictions between Ukraine, NATO, and Russia. The presence of modern and equipped Western ships in that area will generate a new escalation of instability, unnecessarily undermining international peace.

    In a statement this week, UK Defense Secretary Ben Wallace gave a positive signal for heavy weapons sales to Ukraine. The equipment to be traded would be focused on modern warships with high destruction power. The aim is to significantly increase Ukrainian naval power amid a regional context of tensions in the Black Sea. To that end, the British secretary also said that Kiev could pay for the ships using the amount received from the loan taken by the Ukrainian government as part of a trade agreement signed between the two countries in early November. As there is a mutual geostrategic interest in this deal – given the UK’s ambitions to weaken Russian presence in Eastern Europe – there appears to be little concern on the part of the British over how the debt generated by this deal will be paid off.

    According to the data released so far, the sale includes the negotiation of two mine countermeasure ships and the joint production of eight warships with missiles, as well as a new frigate. Possible aid from London to Kiev for the construction of a naval infrastructure platform, with the modernization of the weapons systems of current Ukrainian ships, is also being negotiated.

    Both Ben Wallace and his Ukrainian counterpart Oleksii Reznikov, commenting on the case, emphasized the fact that the agreement is aimed against Russia, which makes the project a real open affront to the stability of Russia-Ukraine and Russia-West relations. However, in a joint statement, they both tried to be delicate in their words and said the aim was not to make the UK and Ukraine adversary to Russia, but that the move comes amid concerns about Russia’s presence in the border region: “Our governments have no desire to be adversarial, or seek in any way to strategically encircle or undermine the Russian Federation (…) We are concerned by Russia’s military build-up and activity around the borders of Ukraine”.


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    Post  franco Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:15 pm

    Shit is still shit no matter how much icing you cover it with. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:58 am

    No way to polish that turd... the UK smell blood in the water and clearly want a debt slave on the Russian border...

    Much of the naval equipment, weapons and systems on Ukrainian ships is now made in Russia or ex soviet states that want real money to pay for it, so an easy out for them is to try to replace a lot of systems with British or western stuff... but how could they pay for it?

    Ohh, you are offering a loan.... that will do... let the government sort that out in 10 years time when we don't meet the payments...

    Russia of course will object to this but in practical terms it just means more funding and focus on the Black Sea fleet and all the weapons they had before were already sufficient to deal with any system or ship or sub they could afford let alone afford to operate.

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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:47 pm


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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:51 pm

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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:55 pm

    They already concebtrated tgeir forces around Ukraine to force Biden to talk with Putin and stop US support few months back.

    IMO it could be the same.

    However the military build up is happening so any scenario is possible.

    I think Russia wouldn't invade but just push back ukrainian army from the front and oblig them to sign a piece treaty with Donbass. Second step, if it fails, could be precision attacks and air superiority over Ukraine. Final would be the invasion.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:43 pm

    Now, if you were pre-positioning your forces to react in the event of a sudden Ukie strike where would you put them? Oh, where they roughly are on the map Laughing Also giving the Ukies the threat on 3 fronts even if the intent was only on one. Personally I suspect that there are very significant rocket and missile forces in those deployments, mind you even the Ukies say there are over 20% fewer Russian BTG in place than in April.

    I suspect that part of the howls from Kiev are due to them realising that the Russians have effectively negated any possibility that existed in their tiny minds that they might succeed, giving them a serious problem in fulfilling the task set to them by their Master in Washington.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:49 pm

    Really spot on analysis


    There is something of the theater of absurd in American and European posturing. But it’s far from funny. It’s menacingly deranged.

    The United States Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin this week performed impressive, albeit pathetic, mental gymnastics. In a press conference, the Pentagon chief called on Russia to be more transparent about troop movements “on the border with Ukraine”. In others words, on Russian soil.

    Meanwhile, the absurd hypocrisy sees U.S. and NATO forces brazenly escalating their offensive presence on Russia’s borders, especially in the Black Sea region.

    Here’s an Associated Press clip on the Pentagon press conference: “American officials are unsure why Russian President Vladimir Putin is building up military forces near the border with eastern Ukraine but view it as another example of troubling military moves that demand Moscow’s explanation, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Wednesday.”

    The report quotes Austin as saying: “We’ll continue to call on Russia to act responsibly and be more transparent on the buildup of the forces around on the border of Ukraine… We’re not sure exactly what Mr Putin is up to.”

    This dubious talent for mind-bending mental gymnastics and double-think is shared with other members of the Biden administration. Last week, America’s top diplomat Antony Blinken claimed that Russia was about to invade Ukraine yet at the same time the U.S. Secretary of State confessed similar ignorance about what “Putin is up to”.

    How is it possible to engage in meaningful dialogue with such vacuous people who are supposed to be government leaders – and leaders too of the self-declared world’s most powerful, most brilliant nation? No undue offense intended, but it would probably be more productive to engage in a dialogue with the bewildering characters from Samuel Beckett’s absurdist play Waiting for Godot.

    Russia has repeatedly dismissed all claims about it threatening Ukraine or any other country with invasion. Moscow also disputes “unreliable” information touted by the Biden administration and Western media of troop buildup near Ukraine on its western flank. Western media reports have relied on dodgy commercial satellite data purporting to show Russian military maneuvers. It is contemptible that senior U.S. government figures are basing grave allegations against Russia on such ropy sources. That in itself speaks volumes about the deterioration in Washington’s diplomatic professionalism and political intelligence.

    Secondly, the salient fact being missed in all the hullabaloo is this: Russian troops and equipment are on Russia’s sovereign territory. It is the height of absurdity for U.S. officials to demand that Russia “explain” and be “more transparent” about its own national defenses. That speaks of a hyper-arrogance among American politicians that are deforming their ability to think reasonably.

    There is an analogy here with the outcry this week over Russia’s successful missile test against a Soviet-era satellite in orbit. The Biden administration condemned Russia for creating “space junk” and weaponizing space while ignoring the fact that the U.S. previously carried out the same kind of missile strike and, arguably has been trying to weaponize space since the Reagan administration’s “star wars” program during the 1980s.

    In any case, the U.S. charges of Russia’s military buildup on its own territory are made all the more ridiculous when we consider the actual increase in NATO forces in Ukraine and the Black Sea region – right on Russia’s western doorstep.

    In a major speech this week delivered at the Russian foreign ministry, President Putin noted again how Western powers have continually failed to register Moscow’s national security concerns over the expansion of NATO forces along Russia’s borders. He described this inability for cognition of what should be an obvious grievance as “very peculiar”.

    The Kremlin has suggested that the increasing NATO offensive presence near Russia’s borders is not due to stupidity, but rather is aimed at provoking a conflict. Russia is strenuously resisting the danger of an armed confrontation, and yet the provocations continue.

    Nearly two weeks ago, William Burns, the head of the CIA made a high-profile visit to Moscow during which he held discussions with senior Kremlin figures, including President Putin. We can safely assume that Burns was told in no uncertain terms that the buildup of U.S. and NATO forces near Russia’s territory is a red line that will presage a response from Russia.

    But these red lines continue to be skirted by Washington and its NATO allies.

    More perplexing, too, are the moves by the U.S.-backed Kiev regime to escalate the conflict in Ukraine against the ethnic Russian population in the separatist Donbas region. The ultranationalist regime has been waging a low-intensity war against the Donbas since the U.S.-backed coup in Kiev in 2014. The Americans and other NATO powers are increasing weapon supplies and military trainers to the regime, emboldening it to repudiate any peaceful settlement of the eight-year conflict.

    Only last month, Pentagon chief Austin was in Kiev where he recklessly endorsed the joining of the NATO bloc by Ukraine. That is in spite of numerous warnings from Moscow that such a move would be an unacceptable destabilization.

    The stepped-up war drills by NATO in the Black Sea region are inevitably leading the Kiev regime to resile from legally binding commitments to the Minsk Peace accord of 2015 – brokered by Russia, Germany and France. The release this week of diplomatic communications by the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov clearly demonstrates that Germany and France are complicit in turning a blind eye to the Kiev regime’s systematic violation of the Minsk deal.

    In this context, Russia is justifiably deeply wary of a confrontation exploding out of the tinderbox conditions in Ukraine and the Black Sea. Given the Russian nation’s tragic history of suffering from past military invasions, it is entirely understandable and indeed vitally prudent that the country’s formidable defenses are on high alert.

    It is not for Russia to explain its troops. It is for the United States and its NATO partners to account for their wanton aggression and to desist.


    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/11/19/theater-absurd-pentagon-demands-russia-explain-troops-russian-soil/
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