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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

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    Post  auslander Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:404s do know that Shoigu often travels with his entourage?

    I'd like to be a fly on the wall when SBU HQ in Mariupol peeks out the window and see's the good General arriving. Methinks they will have the proverbial 'pflug'....for the uninitiated, a pflug is a sudden rush of shit to the heart.


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:30 am

    VARGR198 wrote:“Ukraine needs to buy five decommissioned boats from the U.S. to block Russian ports in Crimea and keep away Russians from Sevastopol” said editor-in-chief of the official Ukrainian Military Portal

    Several old (presumably rusty) US boats are expected to be able to blockade Russian ports lol.

    Comedy Central! Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:31 am

    It is what you get when the lunatics take over the asylum...
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    Post  auslander Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:28 pm

    July 20, 2021 - 17:42 Forpost Sevastopol
    Ukraine has requested emergency assistance from Russia due to lack of electricity
    Ukrenergo requested assistance from Russia and Belarus due to the electricity situation in the country.

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    ForPost - News: Ukraine has requested emergency assistance from Russia due to lack of electricity
    The Ukrainian National Energy Company (NJSC) Ukrenergo requested assistance from Russia and Belarus due to the situation with electricity in the country, Ukrainian media write.

    The situation with electricity supply in the country has become close to critical, due to the heat, electricity consumption has increased significantly, and coal reserves in the warehouses of power plants have begun to decline. More than 20 power units are not operating at the CHP and TPP, reports Strana.ua.

    The ex-minister of housing and communal services of the country Aleksey Kucherenko told the publication that Ukrenergo requested emergency assistance from Russia in connection with the situation on Saturday, and on Sunday turned to Belarus.

    The head of the Independent Trade Union of Miners Mikhail Volynets said that Kiev is allegedly ready to buy electricity from Belarus at a price of 2.8 hryvnia per kilowatt.

    Earlier on Sunday, the Ukrainian state emergency service reported that in three regions of the country, more than 100 settlements were left without electricity due to strong wind and rain, as a result of bad weather, two people died.

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    oliviya (Sevastopol)- 20/07/2021 at 18:00
    they (the Ukrainian National Energy Company) need to be reminded of how the Crimea was once de-energized, how happy they were and how they jumped in round dances. Now let them jump and remember. Everything comes back.

    And if Russia helps the so-called "fraternal people", it will be a spit in the face of all Crimeans. There, the issue of the North Crimean Canal has not yet been resolved in our favor.

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    Kulikovsky tramp (HERO CITY)- 07/20/2021 at 18:52
    Died so dead and there is nothing to remember.aggressive

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    Oberon- 07/20/2021 at 19:07
    file across the peninsula if there is a reserve.

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    GP (Sevastopol)- 07/20/2021 at 20:16
    And Baba Yaga ( I ) is against!

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    laish (Sevastopol)- 07/20/2021 at 20:48
    Let the water in Crimea be allowed ... Bash on the bash ...

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    A.gerbrandt@mail (Krasnogvardeyskoe)- 07/20/2021 at 21:41
    If you give electricity from the Russian Federation to Ukraine, then only from the Crimea

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    Zvonaryova.pol (Sevastopol)- 20/07/2021 at 21:42
    I remember how recently Ukrainians “proudly” abandoned Russian electricity.

    Don't give them anything!

    Let them celebrate Christ in Poland.

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    sergey-ka (Sevastopol-Voronezh)- 07/20/2021 at 22:35
    to A.gerbrandt@mail:  
    If you give electricity from the Russian Federation to Ukraine, then only from the Crimea
    It's cool, of course, but it's not worth teasing ...

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    Allegro (Hero of Sevastopol)- 07/20/2021 at 22:36
    ... that independence requires independence from others.

    The question is difficult: children, old people, hospitals ...

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    sergey-ka (Sevastopol-Voronezh)- 07/20/2021 at 22:37
    to Zvonaryova.pol:  
    I remember how recently Ukrainians “proudly” refused Russian electricity. Don't give them anything! Let them celebrate Christ in Poland.
    Then why are we better than them ?! If there is an opportunity, then you need to help, be the first to lend a hand of friendship.

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    Mitsuko- 20/07/2021 at 23:54
    Let them remember our blackout ok

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    Fan (Chersonesos)- 07/21/2021 at 0:42
    Let not some "Ukrenergo", but their president or prime minister officially ask for help, so that they will not refuse later, like the mayor of Genichesk.

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    Mir vsem (Sevastopol)- 07/21/2021 at 1:55
    You can help on the condition of restoration of: blown up power lines and the opening of the Severokrvmsky canal. Neither one nor the other belongs to them, but belongs to the people that they were created in Soviet times for the benefit of the people!

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    kostoprav (Bakhchisarai)- 07/21/2021 at 8:39 am
    Let them jump better! Banderlog let them harness the turbines to turn

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    Serggio (Sevastopol)- 21/07/2021 at 10:39
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    Then why are we better than them ?! If there is an opportunity, then you need to help, be the first to lend a hand of friendship.
    They will spit at her.

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    Andgi (Sevastopol)- 21/07/2021 at 12:11
    Only on condition of the opening of the Crimean Canal.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:40 am

    On July 20, OSCE SMM Ukraine noted the possible sighting of 2 BM-30 Smerch heavy MLRS in violation of the withdrawal lines in the Ukrainian govt-controlled areas in the Donetsk Oblast. Also, 8 tubes assessed as parts of the S-300 SAM system were spotted in Kostiantynivka


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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:50 pm



    lol!

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    Post  Backman Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:28 am

    John Helmer 100% believes that MH-17 was intentionally shot down to give a reason for Nato to put troops into Ukraine and the donbass specifically. Its been interesting to watch him back up this narrative. He has a new piece on it. John Helmer isn't pro Putin. He is skeptical of everyone but believes that the US is the most sinister actor. Helmer is not a hardcore partisan Russia supporter.

    He has convinced me that MH-17 was intentional. I don't expect everyone to get on board with this narrative but i think its right.

    THE DUTCH INVASION PLAN OF DONBASS BEFORE THE DOWNING OF MH17 ON JULY 17, 2014

    -Two Dutch nationals, David Petraeus and Sandra Roelofs (lead image, centre), were involved in the US planning of an invasion of the Donbass region, eastern Ukraine, in the days running up to the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 on July 17, 2014, when 193 Dutch and 38 Australians were among the 298 passengers and crew killed.

    -With Nuland and Petraeus, Saakashvili told the newspaper, he had been discussing the war in Ukraine. “‘It’s the end of Putin,” Mr. Saakashvili, 46, said of Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, the topic of discussion on Thursday [September 18, 2014] as its president, Petro O. Poroshenko, met in Washington with President Obama and congressional leaders. Mr. Saakashvili called Mr. Putin’s actions ‘very, very similar’ to those in Georgia. ‘I think he walked into trap.’”

    -Last week Saakashvili returned to Channel 24 in Kiev to reveal he had discussed details of a direct US intervention in eastern Ukraine in mid-2014. “ ‘I remember there was a moment when they could have taken Donetsk. I’m not saying this on my own — General Petraeus…sent me a long text message then, I was in upstate New York, on some holiday. He says: ‘A, B, C, D, D’ – it is written on the points why now is a good time to enter Donetsk,’ Saakashvili said. According to him, Petraeus insisted on the need to capture Donetsk, justifying this by the fact that the security forces could cope on their own. Saakashvili noted that he sent the plan of the American general to Petro Poroshenko, but he did not react. ‘Well, I understand that at least call back, get interested, invite this person, listen to his opinion. I would do this at least,’ he continued. According to Saakashvili, he called Poroshenko and tried to discuss with him the proposal of the American general, but the Ukrainian president took the topic of conversation in a different direction.”

    Research by Liane Theuerkauf indicates the timing of Petraeus’s plan and his meeting and exchanges on the invasion plan with Saakashvili was in the early days of July 2014, immediately after Slavyansk and Kramatorsk were captured by Poroshenko’s army in the Donetsk region. Slavyansk fell on July 5; Kramatorsk the same day. Poroshenko announced his battle to take Donetsk and Lugansk cities on July 6 and again on July 8.

    On July 10, 2014, the Poroshenko regime announced it had begun a “total attack” on “several fronts” against Donetsk and Lugansk. The tide had clearly turned by July 11 as Poroshenko’s losses mounted. But Poroshenko had fallen short in his effort to provoke Russia into a direct, visible military intervention. He was also failing to convince the US and NATO allies that they should intervene directly to support him”.

    “On July 11 a major battle was fought near Lugansk, where a Ukrainian Air Force Su-25 was shot down. Much of Ukraine’s 79th Brigade was destroyed near Lugansk; the militia didn’t say where they obtained the Grad MLRS that were decisive in that battle. Ukraine’s 24th Mechanized Battalion met a similar fate. By July 14 Ukraine’s forces along the southern border – between 3,000 and 5,000 soldiers – were trapped in what was called the Southern Cauldron. Ukraine sent three armoured columns to resupply them, but they ran into stiff resistance. Both sides were claiming victory at the hotly contested airport at Lugansk. Near Lugansk a Ukrainian An-26 transport plane was shot down by the separatists, probably with a MANPAD; Kiev claimed, and possibly believed, that a Russian fighter had shot down the An-26 with an air-to-air missile. This happened just three days before MH17 was attacked.”

    Full article http://johnhelmer.net/the-dutch-invasion-plan-of-donbass-before-the-downing-of-mh17-on-july-17-2017/
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:24 am

    Still wondering if that is serious, but I have an anecdote Laughing
    When Hitler was asked in an interview in 1938 or so if he was not afraid that Brits will make a beachhead and invade, he answered:
    No, I was not.
    I would send the police to arrest them all.

    The real thing behind downing MH17 is was the fact, that the Netherlands are among less negative towards Russia in the whole of Europe.
    Nothing unusual, concerning the history, and UK/France influence in Nether internal matters.
    One can hardly find any other example when a public lynching of a democratically elected ruler led to the castration and public eating of internal organs and genitals presented as "the will of a people".
    This is a way Lords solves disputes, for more than 400 years.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:29 am

    Imagine taking your military planning advice against rebels from Saakashvilli

    And him discussing war plans with Gen Petreus out of all people

    I'm sorry it's too absurd to believe

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:03 pm

    Imagine taking your military planning advice against rebels from Saakashvilli

    And him discussing war plans with Gen Petreus out of all people

    I'm sorry it's too absurd to believe

    Sounds like something the tie eater would make up to appear to be an important part of proceedings he had no understanding of or participation in.

    The shooting down of this aircraft and the subsequent blaming of Russia just shows how desperate the anti Putin faction are to justify doing what they are doing and essentially what they are doing (ie arming and equipping and supporting one side in a civil war) is essentially the crime they are claiming Putin and Russia are guilty of, but without any evidence. The amusing thing is that they think the illegal coup installed government in Kiev that is bombing and shelling its own citizens is the right side to be supporting...
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:35 pm

    This guy used to be mentally unstable 15 years ago already.
    Do you think he gets even worse? scratch Twisted Evil
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:54 pm

    Should I laugh or should I cry ?

    The ruling clique of Ukraina is becoming so pathetic recently.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/530489-zelensky-historic-kievan-rus-relatives/

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    Post  Backman Yesterday at 1:01 am

    flamming_python wrote:Imagine taking your military planning advice against rebels from Saakashvilli

    And him discussing war plans with Gen Petreus out of all people

    I'm sorry it's too absurd to believe
    I don't think he's making it up. Hes an important neocon point  man.

    There's a whole series of articles supporting this narrative. Where there's smoke...

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Yesterday at 5:30 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Imagine taking your military planning advice against rebels from Saakashvilli

    And him discussing war plans with Gen Petreus out of all people

    I'm sorry it's too absurd to believe

    Sounds like something the tie eater would make up to appear to be an important part of proceedings he had no understanding of or participation in.

    The shooting down of this aircraft and the subsequent blaming of Russia just shows how desperate the anti Putin faction are to justify doing what they are doing and essentially what they are doing (ie arming and equipping and supporting one side in a civil war) is essentially the crime they are claiming Putin and Russia are guilty of, but without any evidence. The amusing thing is that they think the illegal coup installed government in Kiev that is bombing and shelling its own citizens is the right side to be supporting...
    Well nowadays modern Egyptians also live in the middle of the monuments and ruins of ancient egypt, but that those not mean it is their own culture.

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    Post  medo Yesterday at 10:59 pm

    Some Ukrainian opposition polititians think, that Ukraine have around 25 to 28 million population considering of bread consumption.

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    Post  PapaDragon Today at 2:51 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:...Well nowadays modern Egyptians also live in the middle of the monuments and ruins of  ancient egypt, but that those not mean it is their own culture.

    It is their culture, they didn't move in there and settled among the ruins

    Their ancestors built them

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    Post  flamming_python Today at 7:48 am

    It's important to understand who Arabs actually are

    Arabization of regions was partially the result of colonization and intermarriage. But it was as much the result of adopting Islam by indigenous peoples whether by conquest or political expediency/advantage. Then the centralization of all these territories under centuries of control of Caliphates, which cemented the role of Arabic more as a language of administration, law as well as religion, and then finally as a language of inter-ethnic communication and ultimately the dominant one.

    This all created a common culture and civilization.
    But if you dig deeper then you'll realize that the Lebanese are still the Phoenicians from Biblical times. The Palestinians are still the Phillilistines and Caaninite tribes in the area (including the Israelites) who adopted Islam. The Syrians are a mix of the area's pre-Islamic Arab population, Arameans, Phoenicians, Assyrians and others (even today they are very diverse).
    And in the same manner today's Egyptian population is at least partially descendent from the ancient Egyptian one.

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