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    Decline of the western society #2

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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:18 pm



    Old news, but worth a response. Cleopatra was from the Ptolemy dynasty. She was ethnic Greek. According to woke-tards Greeks are white.
    So any controversy about Elizabeth Taylor playing her was retarded. Most countries have local actors play historical figures for obvious reasons.
    Maybe she could have been played by a Greek actress (oops, actor) but we are talking about commercial entertainment where big names draw
    ticket sales.

    Cleopatra was never black. Maybe she had some mixture of local ethnic groups (black and Egyptian) but this has to be demonstrated. Monarchies
    tend to be inbred for obvious reasons. So it was highly unlikely that Cleopatra was a mulato.

    As for ancient Egyptians being the same as Egyptians today, I do not think it is that trivial. Over the last 2,000 years there has been a lot of
    population migration. Hungarians moved to where they are, Bulgarians moved to where they are. Turks have moved to where they are.
    But we have the politically correct attribution of all local history to the current residents. I recall some PBS documentary on the central Asian
    kurgans trying to attribute a red-haired mummy to the local Kazakhs. What a retarded joke. She was clearly not an ethnic Kazakh and the
    Kazakhs moved into "Kazakhstan" about 400-500 years ago which is way after the kurgan was created. This region was inhabited by
    Caucasians some who moved east and became assimilated with Asian ethnic groups and some moved west to Europe. The green-eyed,
    red haired beauty in Asian myth is a mixed Caucasian. Kenghis Khan was this type of mixed Caucasian-Asian who had green eyes and red
    hair. Udmurts who inhabit this central Asian region today (around the south Urals) are clearly related to Scotts. We even have classic tartan
    fabric found in kurgans in this vast region.

    The childish attribution of all archeology to some modern country that occupies the same territory is something else. People can't engage their
    brains. This is like the current treatment of Ukraine's borders as if they represent thousands of years indigenous Ukr ethnic distribution. These
    borders were contrived in the 1920s and the south and East were and remain populated by ethnic Russians. Countries are not homogeneous,
    time-invariant units. You would think that immigrant countries like the USA and Kanada would understand this.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:07 am

    It is similar to what were reported in South Korea not long ago. Skyrocketing real estate and living cost prevent people from saving enough money for their lifetime goal, such as buying a house.

    Frustrated, people gave up all hope and started to spending like there is no tommorow.

    https://www.wsj.com/economy/consumers/americans-are-still-spending-like-theres-no-tomorrow-6a1d307

    Americans Are Still Spending Like There’s No Tomorrow

    A tough housing market has more consumers writing off something they’d historically save for, while the pandemic showed the instability of any long-term plans related to health, work or day-to-day life. So, they are spending on once-in-a-lifetime experiences because they worry they may not be able to do them later.

    “It’s not a regret-filled, spur-of-the-moment decision,” says Michael Liersch, who oversees a team of advisers as head of advice at Wells Fargo. “It’s the opposite of that, where I would regret not having done it.”

    Liersch cautions that it’s too soon to say whether the spate of spending is a fleeting moment or a new normal. And consumers remain frustrated about inflation as the price of many goods remains significantly higher than a few years ago.

    Ibby Hussain, who works in marketing for a financial communications firm, says the Brooklyn, N.Y., apartment he and his fiancée rent for $3,000 a month would cost a million dollars to buy. At current rates, that means around $5,000 a month after a $200,000 down payment, not including property taxes. “And it’s not even that nice of an apartment.”

    So, instead of saving for a down payment like he expected to after turning 30 and getting engaged in the past year, he splurged.

    First, he bought a $1,600 Taylor Swift Eras Tour ticket and then he spent $3,500 on a bachelor party trip to Ibiza, Spain.

    “I might as well just enjoy what I have now,” he says.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 06, 2023 4:12 am

    @Garry:

    https://www.rt.com/news/584029-conservatives-raise-pension-age/

    British Lord proposes raising pension age to 75

    Former Brexit negotiator Lord Frost insists that people are healthy enough nowadays to work longer

    Tory Party grandee and former Brexit negotiator David (Lord) Frost has suggested that the state pension age in the UK be raised to 75 in a bid to reduce public spending. The pension age has already risen twice in the last five years.

    Reader's comment wrote:- Stop wasting money on Ukraine

    - Oh... a LORD... Who didn´t work physically a single full day during his whole life.

    - Dam, I thought France was bad. 75?!?! WTF?!? Ahh yes, you old sir or mam will kindly get your deserved 3 days off retirement before we toss you in the ground.

    - These "wanna be royals" are disgusting. The Brits (workers, etc) are the poorest in Europe. Why don't they just propose euthanasia by 74?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:18 pm

    Maybe a retirement tax for everyone who has more than 1 million pounds in the bank... I am sure that lord would be happy for his money to go towards a happier retirement for the British people in general... I mean WTF does he need all that ridiculous wealth of his... share it around and let others enjoy a bit of comfort...

    Getting rid of the lord system would save a lot of money that could be redirected to the people that are useful like the people who build roads and buildings and other essential things the British people need.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:40 am

    Comedian Dave Allen.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:57 am

    @Garry:

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0PrW252XwcgeKKUvUCxHvtJRyzx2VPdfeeHWnpnbJy4ThXY3bzM8GAwqC8EYodJG2l&id=100064268366203

    Michael Roberts wrote:Nobel (Riksbank) prize winner in economics (2015), Angus Deaton has a new book out, jointly written with his wife Ann Case, called Economics in America: An Immigrant Economist Explores the Land of Inequality,

    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2023/oct/07/angus-deaton-interview-book-economics-in-america?fbclid=IwAR19HF6j9N6nD7MbkGpU2h7ftcNfm78zwvYf7Tv6ch-Fip27ic27M8nfPSI

    In it, Deaton and Case attack the failure of neoclassical economics to address in any way the issues of poverty and inequality.  Mainstream economists in the US deliberately ignore rising levels of inequality and the horrendous impact of poverty, claiming that this is not the business of economics.  And yet "Real wages have stagnated since 1980 while productivity has more than doubled and the rich cream off the profits. The top 10% of US families now own 76% of wealth. The bottom 50% own just 1%."  A class system now operates and “the war on poverty has become a war on the poor”.

    More equality will not be achieved by tax transfers and welfare payments - they will hardly make a dent.  The answer is state spending and investment in education and jobs for all.

    BUT "We do not need to abolish capitalism or selectively nationalize the means of production. But we do need to put the power of competition back in the service of the middle and working classes. There are terrible risks ahead if we continue to run an economy that is organized to let a minority prey on the majority.”  But is that not a definition of capitalism?

    For a critique of Deaton's ideas, see my posts: [he criticized Deaton's wish to preserve capitalism system which is the origin of social inequality, he did not criticize Deaton's progressive ideas and researches about poverty]

    https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2020/01/06/assa-2020-part-one-inclusive-economics/?fbclid=IwAR3ECyqo2edtJa7OAqrNTQNJqxEw941hnDmrx989MJ7_GW6X4H1TslWDP7s

    and

    https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/weve-never-had-it-so-good/?fbclid=IwAR3wJH78Gp6uH30meTsMZpZOTMHjoivF4dDYSSr4ctCT1rzhsi5OI1koWFg

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:47 am

    @Garry: New Zealand...

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02VwaS5VyMHLhWX3W8FyQ3ULN2wJK13E8NUkVRucTPctj5uV8BkpyuQKJE4XS3doZDl&id=100064268366203

    Michael Roberts wrote:It's a tiny country but another social-democratic government has been ousted - this time in New Zealand by 3.5m Kiwis in a general election.  The New Zealand Labour Party has lost to the centre-right National Party after six years in office.

    Back in 2020, Labour swept to office under the media euphoria surrounding Jacinda Ardern - full of promises to transform New Zealand into a prosperous go-ahead country with great education, housing and equality.

    None of this happened.  The pandemic lockdowns were severe and the ensuing inflationary spiral (fastest in 31 years) ate into average Kiwi living standards (inflation is still above 6% a year).  Education and housing have deteriorated and the economy is close to recession.  Young people have been leaving the country in droves.  Arden resigned earlier this year and has left the country.

    None of the economic news is much different from the situation in many other advanced economies, including NZ's close neighbour, Australia.  Incumbent governments that have presided over the last few years of economic disaster have been paying the price in loss of office.

    New Zealanders now have a National party government in coalition with an extreme free market libertarian junior partner.  Their policies are to cut taxes, reduce further public services, 'crack down on crime' and 'deregulate'.

    Graph: economic activity contracts

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    (writing from NZ) what was interesting was how the local ruling class almost totally drop funding Labour this election... after doing so at the last election. This time they at a record level funded the 3 right wing party's NZ Nats, ACT and NZFIrst.. Resulting in a vulgar amount of advertising.. Sadly, via the party list, some read dead meat is still to be found in Lab party...
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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:30 pm

    I think those who live in Russia are lucky. Think that you live in a country that is militarily powerful, internally peaceful, sovereign, advanced, with a lot of space, surrounded by beautiful women and traditional values. And the economic and political axis of Russia and China is promising for the coming centuries. You won't have "terrorism" problems because Muslims love Russia. And compare that to Western decadence. The Russians should know that they are defending that.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:29 am

    Back in 2020, Labour swept to office under the media euphoria surrounding Jacinda Ardern - full of promises to transform New Zealand into a prosperous go-ahead country with great education, housing and equality.

    It would actually have been worse for New Zealand if National were in power, National are essentially our Republican/Conservative party, one of two main parties that get the majority of votes, the other party is the Labour party who is essentially the democrat equivalent.

    With a National party in power we would have humped Americas leg and hissed at the Chinese from under Americans skirt hem when they told us to... like Australia did.

    Things are not amazing here but they are not amazing anywhere in the western world, I am really not sure what Labour could have done differently to have made it all OK.

    Labour and National are two types of shit... like cat shit and dog shit... they are different but both smell bad and leave a stain and you generally get rid of them as soon as you can before the carpet is totally ruined.

    National is going to work with the Act party, which is a hard core right wing party that is made up of mostly well healed people who made good money and now they want to hold on to it and make more... the sort of party that would privatise everything if they could because there is good money to be made owning a police force or a prison or a hospital if you run it like a business.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Oct 17, 2023 1:45 am

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:I think those who live in Russia are lucky. Think that you live in a country that is militarily powerful, internally peaceful, sovereign, advanced, with a lot of space, surrounded by beautiful women and traditional values. And the economic and political axis of Russia and China is promising for the coming centuries. You won't have "terrorism" problems because Muslims love Russia. And compare that to Western decadence. The Russians should know that they are defending that.

    Well they voted for real leadership, since Yeltsin got them in trouble, granted Putin was hand picked in the beginning, but they kept voting for him afterwards.

    While Americans and a lot of Europeans kept voting for stupid parties, candidates and laws that were just promising them more and more welfare/socialism, it was nice when they were riding high with all their printed money.
    But now that that gravy train is crashing, these welfare loving countries will now have to face the consequences of their overspending.

    These countries had unfortunately elected too many socialists to power, and now their in deep sh%t, since these socialist have their own grand agenda that isn't the sovereignty or well-being of the country, these fools are too far up their ideological asses for that.
    Now that the piper is coming to collect, all these liberal parties doing everything possible to keep their power.
    To inviting massive amount of "migrants", to planting their crazy ideologies in schools, its all a giant hail mary play, in order to keep power.

    Sadly, the populace are also going to try and keep things floating, because the cold hard truth is, whether it be "the Right" or "the Left", both sides are equally addicted to welfare.
    That's why all these governments are still standing, because the opposition will lose all their free gibs if they bring down their governments.
    This is why we see ""conservatives"" turn into socialists and liberals going full Marxist, it would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn sad.

    Anyway, TLDR of all this is that the West is done for, unless Russia and China get on their knees tomorrow for whatever insane reason, ain't happening though.
    The West simply doesn't have the political competence to even challenge, much less defeat the 2.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:05 am


    While Americans and a lot of Europeans kept voting for stupid parties, candidates and laws that were just promising them more and more welfare/socialism, it was nice when they were riding high with all their printed money.

    To be fair, western elections are popularity contests where the people with the best ideas and best policies never get a chance because the two dominant parties in most western countries are slightly either side of the middle with a few minor key differences on abortion and the death penalty, but otherwise all bloody useless and owned by the rich.

    All the parties in the west are stupid and petty and short sighted.

    They follow trends rather than actually working things out for themselves.

    These countries had unfortunately elected too many socialists to power, and now their in deep sh%t, since these socialist have their own grand agenda that isn't the sovereignty or well-being of the country, these fools are too far up their ideological asses for that.

    I wouldn't blame socialism... the whole concept of a country is to collectively spend on things that would otherwise be too expensive for a single person to pay for... in the middle of a city with thousands or tens of thousands of people living on a street road maintenance and sewerage costs would be very low, but out in the country with enormous long roads with perhaps a dozen houses there you couldn't afford sealed roads or electricity or centralised water supply and sewerage etc etc.

    It is the same with healthcare, when everyone pays so everyone can have free healthcare it is rather easier to manage for everyone.

    And when you don't get an education then life is going to be difficult so it is in the countries interest for everyone to be educated and healthy, but where you draw the line depends on your culture... with American culture of profit first and every man for himself (I am not going to also say woman and herself because if you don't understand I mean both then I am not going to both with you) which leads to companies making millions of dollars, which makes you ask why don't they reduce the prices of their products to make things easier for their customers and also pay their workers more so they can benefit from their labour to create this wealth in the first place, but in the west that goes into the pocket of the owner and the shareholders, and all they did was put up money to help the business get started... essentially they gambled.

    The problem is when times get tough it is the right wing parties that usually get into power and the first thing they do is cut support funding for most social programmes but they also underfund health and education so they can claim they are not performing well when government funded so maybe they should be privatised... and once they are it is too late to go back. Of course private healthcare and private education are excellent because they are enormously expensive, which means your entire population can never get access to such things so you end you with a large group of poorly educated unhealthy people whom if they get sick will most likely be made homeless and bankrupt...

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    Post  andalusia Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:57 am

    This is the consequences of the United States not having universal healthcare:





    https://www.yahoo.com/news/fears-rise-3-maternity-units-130042567.html

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    Post  franco Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:21 pm

    I was "detained" under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act and told all this:

    I was "detained" as potentially involved in terrorism. I was not "arrested", therefore:
    I had no right to a lawyer
    I had no right to remain silent
    To refuse to give a full answer to any question was a criminal offence
    To refuse to give the passwords for my devices was a criminal offence
    To attempt to leave was a criminal offence.

    Fascist Britain. Dispensing with centuries of hard won rights.

    https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1714938767063101693

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:29 pm

    I am not quite sure what is a particularly tricky in "fascist Britain"?
    It was one, even before the word got a wider acknowledgment.
    What the Brits have done in both Africa and India is a book example of it.

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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:13 pm

    ALAMO wrote:I am not quite sure what is a particularly tricky in "fascist Britain"?
    It was one, even before the word got a wider acknowledgment.
    What the Brits have done in both Africa and India is a book example of it.

    The conflict in Palestine today can also be attributed to Britain's colonial past.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:22 pm

    @Garry: an analysis of Israel economy showing the underlying economic factor behind the fascist attitude.

    https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/10/18/israel-the-shattering-of-a-dream/?fbclid=IwAR3LYCOWRpKP2ZluIIP7u729J1F2Z29Tvf1YmqgdoC31_ckSsF-1_3rE0GE

    Michael Roberts wrote:But then, as in the rest of advanced capitalist economies, the profitability of capital in Israel fell sharply from about the mid-1960s to the early 1980s.  This brought economic crises as part of the international slump of 1974-5 and 1980-2.  It also brought a new war with the Arab states in 1973. At this point in the story of the Israeli economy, it is very useful to look at the profitability of Israeli capital from the 1960s, as provided by the World Profitability Database.

    Israel’s so-called democratic socialist state had to go if Israel’s capitalists were to prosper. And so, as in many other capitalist economies, Israelis now elected governments that aimed to end ‘socialism’ and open up the economy to capital without restrictions, while at the same time reducing Israel’s ‘welfare’ state and support for collectives like the kibbutz. Israel entered the neo-liberal era which lasted globally for the next two to three decades with a vengeance. In a carbon copy policy of Reagan in the US and Thatcher in the UK, between 1986-2000, 83 government owned companies were sold for a total of $8.7 billion US dollars.  The national airline ELAL, the telecommunications network Bezeq, all the major banks and the other big five conglomerates were all sold off to buyers selected by the government.

    For a while these measures did help to get the profitability of Israeli capital up – in our profitability graph, there was a doubling of the rate of profit from 1982 to 2000.  But the rise in profitability was mainly driven by a new influx of immigrants after the collapse of the Soviet Union and from North Africa. Immigration cheapened labour costs, while a period of seeming ‘truce’ with the Arabs ensued after the Oslo accords enabling even greater inflows of foreign investment.

    But this did not last.  In the 21st century, Israel’s capitalist economy increasingly struggled like many other ‘emerging economies’. In the past ten years the collective Kibbutzim have rapidly disappeared to be replaced by high-end suburban housing. Land values have skyrocketed with real estate speculation. There has been continual erosion in funding for health and other public services which has led to a rise in the private cost of health and adds to growing gaps in the access to services between those who have money and those who don’t.

    The gap between the lowest and highest earners in Israel is the second highest in the industrialized world, and the child poverty rate is second only to Mexico among developed countries.  An average of one in three Israeli children are living in poverty, with one in five families subsisting well below the poverty line. Israel is one of the most unequal high-income countries. The bottom 50% of the population earn on average NIS 57,900, while the top 10% earn 19 times more. Thus, inequality levels are similar to those in the US, with the bottom 50% of the population earning 13% of total national income, while the top 10% share is 49%. Of course, poverty and the inequality gap is much greater for the Arab citizens of Israel who represent around 20% of Israel’s population.  But poverty rates are also high in orthodox Jewish communities, which represent one-tenth of the population. As for Gaza and the West bank, poverty levels are horrendous.

    In stark contrast, the concentration of wealth in Israel is the second highest in the western world. The notorious family fiefdoms include: Arison, Borovich, Danker, Ofer, Bino, Hamburger, Wiessman, Wertheim, Zisapel, Leviev, Federman, Saban, Fishman, Shachar, Kass, Strauss, Shmeltzer, and Tshuva. These families collectively control a fifth of the revenue generated from Israel’s leading companies and these top 500 companies account for 40% of the business sector and 59% of national revenue.

    The big difference, of course, is that in its perpetual war with its neighbouring Arab states, Israel has been backed to the hilt by the US and Western capital.  So even facing permanent conflict with its Arab neighbours and uprisings by the displaced Palestinians, it has been able to survive economically and also develop a formidable military force.

    But the impact of neoliberal policies and economic slowdown has not led to a shift to the left.  The fear of Arab attacks and the failure of any effective alternative socialist opposition have instead led to the rise of religious and ethnic political parties. The race and religious cards have been played by Israeli capital to avoid any confrontation over its economic and social failures.

    ucanbpolitical wrote:I would like to touch on the Kibbutz movement. Essentially this was an example of barrack socialism. Communism requires internationalism, the opposite of any attempt to implant it in a settler state. Communism requires appropriating the resources of the most advanced capitalist countries not being sited on a farm in an impoverished part of the world as it was then. Communism requires the flourishing of the individual as Marx pointed out in the Critique of the Gotha Program not the levelling down as occurred on the Kibbutzim and which made them so unattractive to following generations which saw the cities providing more freedoms. Communism depends of conquering the commanding heights of the economy not being subject to the banks and merchants which the Kibbutz movement was, and which bankrupted it.

    Its greatest achievement was providing the Israeli army with some of its most hardy commanders and soldiers. In short the Kibbutz movement was a travesty, a stain on the name socialist.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:19 am

    I was "detained" under Section 7 of the Terrorism Act and told all this:

    I was "detained" as potentially involved in terrorism. I was not "arrested", therefore:
    I had no right to a lawyer
    I had no right to remain silent
    To refuse to give a full answer to any question was a criminal offence
    To refuse to give the passwords for my devices was a criminal offence
    To attempt to leave was a criminal offence.

    Fascist Britain. Dispensing with centuries of hard won rights.

    Given such a situation I would remain silent because they clearly have nothing on me otherwise I would be charged.

    They are fishing for information to charge me or someone I know with something and with no access to a lawyer I would not speak to any agent or officer.

    If I don't give a full answer or try to remain silent they say is a criminal offense... well arrest me and get me my lawyer and I will say something after I have spoken to him or her.

    They can say anything they please about what is a criminal offense but they are under no obligation to tell me the truth so I can't believe anything they say, that is why I would want to speak with my Lawyer.

    Police routinely separate people and ask them questions and then look at how their answers match up... or don't match up... and when they don't they use that to put pressure on each person to get them to change their story. They might even claim the other person is answering all their questions and are dropping you in it so you better talk or you are going to jail for everything.

    One of the things wrong with the US legal system appears to be that most cases now never go to a trial... they claim they have evidence and you are going to jail for 20 years, but if you admit you are guilty they will only put you away for 1 or 2 years. A lot of innocent people under pressure and stress will take the plea bargain because they don't trust the judicial system to find them innocent... and even if it does find them innocent the hundreds of thousands of dollars in lawyers fees will bankrupt them anyway.

    You hear all sorts of cases where the prosecution hides information that proves the defendant is innocent because they just want to win the case... which I think should be a criminal offense... to hide evidence that proves you are guilty from the police is an offense...

    Jail time comes down to the quality of your lawyer which is why their jails are full of poor people.

    @Garry: an analysis of Israel economy showing the underlying economic factor behind the fascist attitude.

    I have seen it myself... the privatisation of things... first you under fund it and then you claim it is not properly handled as a government run institution, so you suggest privatisation which results in it being sold for a fraction of its real value... when they fire everyone and hire back 1/3rd of the staff, and then charge the customers more for the product, claiming the infrastructure is all run down because of the inefficient government management, while actually cutting maintenance and support funding, they usually make more money after the second year than they actually paid for the entire business to start with.

    It is a licence to print money, and the customers get much worse service and pay more for it.

    A privately run company is different from a government run company... a privately run company can pick and choose... a private airline will only fly the main centres and any places that are profitable. A national airline has to fly to everywhere even places they lose money on, so obviously the private airlines are more profitable.

    Which is why privately owned police forces or hospitals or schools or electricity suppliers are a bad thing... they work when they are properly funded by everyone... when everyone funds it it becomes affordable.

    The real irony is when some claim that competition creates better value for money... we have about 4 or 5 petrol companies in New Zealand and their prices always match... when they price of oil goes up their prices for petrol go up immediately even though the fuel they are pumping was bought at the old prices... when the price of oil goes down however the price of petrol seems to stay high... there is no price competition at the pumps they match each other and they tend to keep it as high as they can... and pay the people that work there minimum wage no matter what the price of petrol is.

    We have the same problem with our supermarkets which are owned by two companies... they make yearly profits of millions and millions of dollars as the price of food goes up... and their employees are not getting much more than minimum wage despite doing the work that earns the millions in profit...

    The western model is broken and it is damaging society because when I grew up my mother could be a mother... these days she would have a job and be expected to be a mother too... and she can only get fired from one of those jobs so which do you think she does a half arsed job at?

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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:19 am

    The problem is that if you stay silent you are violating some law that has been passed in the last 20 years. So they have nothing
    on you, but trap you in a "legal" catch 22. By not bending over and taking it, you bootstrap a criminal against yourself. Even if these
    Orwellian laws violate established principles, you, as a powerless prole, are not going to have them overturned. You will just rot in
    jail.

    In the US, it is a felony to refuse to answer FBI questions. Politicians are total scum whores who virtue signal as they drive the
    society into the toilet. The concept of being forced to answer "law enforcement" without any warrant and case against you is
    BS. It enables these state structures to make you into a criminal on the basis of nothing (the circularity of refusing to answer
    questions). The original "investigation" will be forgotten as your horrible crime of protecting your rights is prosecuted to the fullest
    extent of the interpreted letter of the law.

    Western legal systems have degenerated into grotesque kangaroo farces. That this sick circus is not operating in every case
    means nothing. The clowns running this clown show have to moderate their excesses so as not to induce the proles into a
    real uprising. But at the end of the day, you have no rights and if you engage in activity that the regime does not like, it will
    crush you.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Oct 20, 2023 8:32 am

    GarryB wrote:A privately run company is different from a government run company... a privately run company can pick and choose... a private airline will only fly the main centres and any places that are profitable. A national airline has to fly to everywhere even places they lose money on, so obviously the private airlines are more profitable.

    Which is why privately owned police forces or hospitals or schools or electricity suppliers are a bad thing... they work when they are properly funded by everyone... when everyone funds it it becomes affordable.

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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:32 pm



    California law is a sick joke. So you can have a civil trial launched to fish for information and then follow up with a criminal trial
    where your fake evidence is adjusted based on the civil trial to get a conviction.

    Americans love to masturbate in public about how they have the legal concept of "double jeopardy" which supposedly is excluded.
    Clearly it is not excluded.

    Based on the propaganda campaign against Jackson I used to think he was a pedo. But it turns out he was a victim of gold diggers
    and the rotten legal system that enables them.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:02 am

    It is reflected in TV shows today where everyone is grilled like they are guilty until the officers think you are not guilty, but then after they work out you are not guilty then you must be innocent so really you are obliged to help the police who just accused you of a crime find the real criminal for some reason. If you complain you will be told they are just doing their job and you should worry more about the criminal who is currently free than the arsehole cop who just tried to stitch you up for the crime, for which he would have hidden evidence that proved you didn't do it to make sure he gets a conviction...

    I don't care what letters you use... I wouldn't say anything to them without a lawyer.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:15 am

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/record-numbers-parents-japan-stop-124610672.html

    Record numbers of parents in Japan say they will stop having children amid financial struggles

    Parents in Japan are increasingly averse to the idea of having more children, a survey has revealed, as the country’s government expressed concern over the declining national birth rate.

    In June this year, Japan’s health ministry said that the birth rate declined for a seventh consecutive year in 2022 to a record low of 1.26 per woman.

    The government has since taken several measures it hopes will address its rapidly shrinking and ageing population, including increased financial aid for families raising children.

    But the latest survey of parents who already have children below the age of six has revealed that a record number of them do not want more offspring because of financial struggles.

    The annual Meiji Yasuda survey this year has revealed that more than 40 per cent of parents said they “no longer want more kids” — a record number since the survey was first conducted in 2018.

    Earlier this year, Japanese prime minister Fumio Kishida said that urgent steps must be taken to tackle Japan’s declining birth rate and stated that it was “now or never” for one of the world’s oldest societies.

    Japan has in recent years been trying to encourage its people to have more children with promises of cash bonuses and better benefits, but it remains one of the most expensive places in the world to raise a child, according to surveys.

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:48 am

    kvs wrote:The problem is that if you stay silent you are violating some law that has been passed in the last 20 years.    

    You can literally answer every question you are asked, "I do not know, I do not remember, I am not sure."
    You may forget your passwords under the influence of stress.
    You may not know the information you need.
    You can give them any testimony, but constantly repeat that you are not sure about this information and report only what you can remember. Your vision of the situation may not coincide with someone else's opinion. I do not know of any law that could punish such a thing.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:34 am

    The UK has many questionable laws including one law called ASBOS or something, which means Anti Social Behaviour... something something.

    I would refuse to answer any questions without a lawyer present to advise me. If they arrest me for that then get me my lawyer because now I am arrested and I am legally allowed to speak to my lawyer.

    If they had any evidence I committed any crime they don't need me to admit it, so they wouldn't be just chatting... they would be arresting me and building their case.

    It is like getting pulled over by a police officer who refuses to charge you with anything and then starts to manhandle you and then charging you with resisting... but you are resisting being assaulted if he has not arrested you.

    Video cameras are very useful in such situations... as long as it is a public place it is perfectly legal to film... you have no rights to privacy when you are in a public place.

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