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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

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    Post  bitcointrader70 Tue May 04, 2021 9:39 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    Putin bans all opposition. Not just the western funded ones.

    You have just moved yourself into the dunce's corner.

    If that was the case, then Sobchak wouldn't have been allowed to partake in elections. Or yabloko would have been banned.

    These are examples.

    lyle6 wrote:You and your family are a genuine genus of retards. If you can't understand that people would rather their trust and vote in some dude who's only been delivering results for 20 years than in some literal nobody on the premise that he isn't the first dude's pick, notwithstanding the possibility of yet another lame duck comprador in that candidate, I have very bad news for you.

    I think this guy is forgetting that his northern neighbor, Canada (we), had people like Critean in power for 10 years. Or the fact Merkel in Germany served as chancellor since 2005.

    No one screams for "democracy" for these cases.

    Who cares?  Russians get to choose who they vote for. They chose Putin. Bitcoin the numbnuts doesn't realize Navalny the traitor is rather unpopular. Sobchak is unpopular. People like Chubias and alike are unpopular.

    Only other parties that get good ratings are commies and the nationalists.  That should say a lot.  Yabloko ended up losing more seats from last elections.

    Sobchak is a Instagram western wannabe celebrity. Most people in Russia think she is a whore and a clown. Trying so hard to be a western IG model. Are you seriously suggesting that she is LEGIT opposition? She ran for office so she could get more likes on Instagram and probably drop a sex tape soon. Yabloko I don’t know much about them but from my understand they are mostly about local elections?
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    Post  kvs Tue May 04, 2021 10:25 pm

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    bitcointrader70 wrote:Ukrainians are losers and useless pawns. Russia can smack Ukraine around all day long and this website will jack off about Putin all day long but US and the cabal are winners in this fight. Russia can’t play defense forever.

    The fact that after 21 years Putin has to continue to extend his presidency and can’t step down and hold honest elections...

    Your definition of honest elections seems to be , if you don't allow a US NGO free for all within the country, its not an honest election. That sir, is a crock of shit.

    Mikhail Gorbachev was asked what is more important, the constitution that says that leaders have to change. Or the will of the people. And he said that the will of the people is more important. Which means he knows, just as we all know, that Putin will win any honest election. Letting an NGO free for all happen, just to prove that Putin can win an "honest election" is a pointless exercise.

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    America does not allow foreign election observers. During a recent US election we had authorities in Texas threatening to arrest any foreign election
    observers. But Russia is supposed to allow Soros sock puppet "NGOs" to have free reign to meddle in its elections.

    Russians are clearly no longer caring what western fcuks think and believe. When they hear clowns like bit-tard yammer on about Russia without the
    first clue about it, they can only cringe.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue May 04, 2021 10:42 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    Everyone in my family over there voted for Putin. This isn’t about now. This is about 5, 10,15, and 20 years from now.

    Globalist have plans for decades and even a hundred years ahead. Russia will need a strong constitutional republic power structure to deal with corruption and protect the state even if a weak leader gets elected. So far we aren’t even close. It’s Russia against the world. I know it’s not fair but that’s how it is.

    So they are not only retards, but hypocritical and cowardly ones at that.

    Call it a lateral upgrade?

    But in any case, I find it laughable that you keep on harping about a 'strong constitutional republic power structure' or whatever when by all accounts Putin and his accomplices have achieved significant process in creating a resilient body of institutions where there hasn't been one before. There are still lots of work to be done in ensuring a more stable system for sure, but at least its not the dysfunctional wreck you see in third world countries and increasingy in the West.

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    Sobchak is a Instagram western wannabe celebrity. Most people in Russia think she is a whore and a clown. Trying so hard to be a western IG model. Are you seriously suggesting that she is LEGIT opposition? She ran for office so she could get more likes on Instagram and probably drop a sex tape soon. Yabloko I don’t know much about them but from my understand they are mostly about local elections?
    Opposition only means you are against the ruling clique. That she could only garner a minority of the votes is exactly why she is opposition and not the incumbent.

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    Post  Backman Tue May 04, 2021 11:42 pm

    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    Backman wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Ukrainians are losers and useless pawns. Russia can smack Ukraine around all day long and this website will jack off about Putin all day long but US and the cabal are winners in this fight. Russia can’t play defense forever.

    The fact that after 21 years Putin has to continue to extend his presidency and can’t step down and hold honest elections...

    Your definition of honest elections seems to be , if you don't allow a US NGO free for all within the country, its not an honest election. That sir, is a crock of shit.

    Mikhail Gorbachev was asked what is more important, the constitution that says that leaders have to change. Or the will of the people. And he said that the will of the people is more important. Which means he knows, just as we all know, that Putin will win any honest election. Letting an NGO free for all happen, just to prove that Putin can win an "honest election" is a pointless exercise.

    starts at 6:18. Time stamp links never seem to work

    LOL no sorry buddy Putin is correct to ban NGOs. I wish we would do the same stateside. Putin doesn’t allow any legitimate opposition to run for office. He doesn’t participate in debates. And their is no opposing party. The communist party and the “ultra nationalist” Liberal Democrat’s are part of Putin’s power structure.

    Putin bans all opposition. Not just the western funded ones.
    No he doesn't. You've been manipulated. He  bans any pro US ticket. 

    The only reason the western media says that the commi or Libdem party is part of Putin/United Russia's power structure , is because they agree with Putin in foreign policy. Just as the Republican and Democrats agree with each other on foreign policy. Or Labor and Tories in the UK.
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    Post  Finty Tue May 04, 2021 11:53 pm

    Seeing VICE mentioned reminds me of where I got some of my info regarding Crimea/ Donbass back in 2014/15 when it happened, then I recently re-watched the series a few months ago as I got more interested in Russian affairs, ironically just before things start kicking off again. Overall I thought Russian Roulette was a decent series, I imagine the consensus here is negative towards it but I'd like to know what you guys disliked about it. I ask this out of curiosity, doesn't affect me personally as I don't work for VICE.
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    Post  PapaDragon Yesterday at 12:48 am


    Based on the raw amount of pointless crap being posted here lately am I to assume that nothing of note has been happening in the Ukraine lately?

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    Post  LMFS Yesterday at 12:53 am

    bitcointrader70 wrote:I have family who live in Russia who are nationalists and patriots who themselves will admit there is no chance for a non Putin favored political party or candidate. Putin failed to create an honest republic and that’s why he clamps down hard. There is almost zero none controlled opposition in Russia.

    Please ponder more carefully what trolling line you want to follow, you said before that the important thing is to win, and Putin by crushing all opposition is certainly wining and avoiding any illegitimate interest to ruin Russia. When he thinks it is the time to retire (he has given himself the amplest time frame for that), he will designate a successor and by controlling the opposition the same he does now (and the same way it happened with Yeltsin), he will ensure the continuation of the regime. He should be your hero.

    ... now seriously, you all are boring trolls without any respectable discourse. More absurd with every passing day and every Russian victory over idiots, nazis, libtards, malcontents and traitors, your troll future looks grim unshaven


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    Post  JohninMK Yesterday at 1:04 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Based on the raw amount of pointless crap being posted here lately am I to assume that nothing of note has been happening in the Ukraine lately?

    Pretty much. Just the 'normal' random shelling. No indication of any withdrawal. Maybe some shelling will become non random.

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    Post  auslander Yesterday at 3:42 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Based on the raw amount of pointless crap being posted here lately am I to assume that nothing of note has been happening in the Ukraine lately?

    Timoshenko had another face lift, her 67th, and she now has a lovely little beard and her glandular enhancements (tits for the unwashed and uninformed) are hanging down her back. Da clown saw a mouse chewing on an orc flag and called a conclave of the Unmagnificent Five, LandofPoles/Pre/Tre/WhoGivesAFornicationBaltica/orcland to demand a ununited silliness in NYC investigation of this new and flagrant Russian provocation/invasion/fartstorm.

    Our three children serving up there are good. Fighting is occasionally intense in various locations but not long lasting. The casualty list, civilian and military, continues to grow.

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    Post  owais.usmani Yesterday at 1:52 pm

    Hillaroius account of Ukranians peeing their pants in sea of Azov just on the sight of a Russian coast guard ship Laughing

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/04/europe/ukraine-russia-sea-of-azov-tension/index.html

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    Post  flamming_python Yesterday at 10:50 pm

    Backman wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:Ukrainians are losers and useless pawns. Russia can smack Ukraine around all day long and this website will jack off about Putin all day long but US and the cabal are winners in this fight. Russia can’t play defense forever.

    The fact that after 21 years Putin has to continue to extend his presidency and can’t step down and hold honest elections...

    Your definition of honest elections seems to be , if you don't allow a US NGO free for all within the country, its not an honest election. That sir, is a crock of shit.

    Mikhail Gorbachev was asked what is more important, the constitution that says that leaders have to change. Or the will of the people. And he said that the will of the people is more important. Which means he knows, just as we all know, that Putin will win any honest election. Letting an NGO free for all happen, just to prove that Putin can win an "honest election" is a pointless exercise.

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    Gorby busy selling whatever of his dignity is left to the next foreign news agency and then the next one

    They didn't even allow him to get into his seat before they started filming

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    Post  mavaff Today at 9:37 am

    If France wants to intervene in the situation in Donbass, Russia will respond very harshly.

    Against the background of information that appeared that the French side is ready to sell its Dassault Rafale fighters to Ukraine for use in the Donbass and against Russia, since today the Ukrainian Air Force is not enough to carry out such operations, it became known that the Russian side was ready to be tough to respond to such claims of Paris, which recently announced its readiness to further advance the peace process of resolving the situation in the region. In response to the actions of France, short- and medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems may well appear in service with the DPR and LPR, which will allow them to hit the French Rafale even before the latter enter the strike zone.

    The sale of French Rafale fighters to Kiev was previously reported by the Eurasian Times.

    “Ukraine has not bought a single new fighter jet in the three decades since the collapse of the Soviet Union. However, the Air Force is still a small unit in need of improvement, and France can help. France has been busy selling its latest fourth-generation fighter jet produced by Dassault Aviation lately, and Rafale could be a game changer to defend Ukraine against Russia, according to Sebastian Roblin. Last year, Kiev announced that it would modernize its Air Force fleet, spending up to $ 7.5 billion over the next fifteen years and purchasing 36-42 new fighters, and Paris is carefully considering this as a potential deal with Rafale, ”the material said.

    Given the fact that Russia is ready to counteract any attempts of Ukraine to forcefully solve the problem in Donbass, the LDNR may well be armed with Russian Pantsir-S air defense missile systems, Buk-M2E complexes and other air defense systems, and in this case, near Kiev very serious problems will begin, not to mention the very serious damage to France's reputation will also be done.

    The Turkish media previously reported that the Russian complexes "Krasukha-4" and "Pantsir" had already been seen in the Donbass, however, no evidence of this was presented.


    https://avia.pro/news/francuzskie-rafale-budut-sbity-na-podlyote-esli-popytayutsya-nanesti-udary-po-donbassu

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    Post  lancelot Today at 10:34 am

    Let the French dump money into that cesspit which is Ukraine.
    It will be a nice way to test the Su-57 against Western fighters.

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    Post  JohninMK Today at 11:00 am

    mavaff wrote: Last year, Kiev announced that it would modernize its Air Force fleet, spending up to $ 7.5 billion over the next fifteen years and purchasing 36-42 new fighters, and Paris is carefully considering this as a potential deal with Rafale, ”the material said.

    That's $500M a year, or 2-3 aircraft a year, well beyond what they can afford.

    Mind you, there will be so few that they should be fairly safe as they will be hard to find Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Today at 4:06 pm

    More 'We are right behind you and you can count on our support' said reliable ally.

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    Ukraine's President Zelensky called today's meeting with US Secretary of State Blinken a 'meaningful' one, and said that this year will be 'fundamental' for the relations between Ukraine and the US.

    Zelensky says around 75,000 Russian troops remain in Crimea, Donbas and along the border with Ukraine. According to the President of Ukraine, their number is decreasing very slowly.

    Blinken: "Together with our partners, we are working to ensure that Ukraine can protect itself from Russian aggression."

    Zelensky invited US President Joe Biden to pay an official visit to Ukraine.

    Blinken announced support for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of Ukraine from the United States and the G7 countries.

    Zelensky after a meeting with Blinken says Ukraine and the US 'united' on the issue of the Nord Stream 2.

    (Interfax-Ukraine)

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    Post  VARGR198 Today at 4:41 pm

    JohninMK wrote:More 'We are right behind you and you can count on our support' said reliable ally.

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    Ukraine's President Zelensky called today's meeting with US Secretary of State Blinken a 'meaningful' one, and said that this year will be 'fundamental' for the relations between Ukraine and the US.

    Zelensky says around 75,000 Russian troops remain in Crimea, Donbas and along the border with Ukraine. According to the President of Ukraine, their number is decreasing very slowly.

    Blinken: "Together with our partners, we are working to ensure that Ukraine can protect itself from Russian aggression."

    Zelensky invited US President Joe Biden to pay an official visit to Ukraine.

    Blinken announced support for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of Ukraine from the United States and the G7 countries.

    Zelensky after a meeting with Blinken says Ukraine and the US 'united' on the issue of the Nord Stream 2.

    (Interfax-Ukraine)

    And that last line gives away what it is all really about. Nord Stream 2. US trying to stop it and using Ukraine as its puppet towards this.
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    Post  LMFS Today at 5:19 pm

    mavaff wrote:If France wants to intervene in the situation in Donbass, Russia will respond very harshly
    https://avia.pro/news/francuzskie-rafale-budut-sbity-na-podlyote-esli-popytayutsya-nanesti-udary-po-donbassu

    No more crap by avia.pro for god's sake... they are so full of shit No

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