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    Post  medo on Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:30 am

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    I find pictures of this new recce vehicle equipped with with one of Credo type radar and EO system. Is there any more informationsabout this vehicle? It have army license plates, so this one is from army units.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:00 am

    Looks like the base vehicle is the same as used for transportation of the Tochka tactical ballistic missiles (9P129).

    Its internal capacity to store ballistic missiles should make plenty of room for the folding arm.

    The basic vehicle should have rather good cross country performance and be fully amphibious, but otherwise I know little about this new application for the vehicle.

    The Credo-1E system has a rather different appearance and is a radar system while this system seems to have an optical ball turret.
    The Credo system has variants mounted on modified BTR chassis and MT-LB chassis but I have never seen it on the 9P129 before.

    The large square box below the ball turret probably contains mechanical stabilisation equipment and probably a gyro and likely does not contain a radar, so I would think this is not a Credo system at all... in the sense that Credo is a radar system, like Fara.

    The recon model of the BMP-1 and the BMD-1 has optics and a radar mounted in the turret... perhaps this is part of the replacement for those vehicles with the optic component likely radically improved.

    Just looking at the vehicle itself I was going to suggest the possibility of it having two arms one with optics and one with radar, but looking at the size of the folding arm at max extension in the top photo I rather doubt there is room. With a top quality thermal imager like Thales Catherine sight it is likely this system has a similar detection range to the Credo radar against some targets. If it contains a quality digital TV camera with high zoom it should offer excellent performance. Park it in the middle of a forest and poke the sensor ball above the tree line... any threat and you can drop the arm and move... artillery fire is much less effective within a forest as the trees absorb fragments and reduce blast effect.

    The vehicles that normally carry Credo are used for spotting enemy artillery and calculating the origin of fire for counter-battery "attention". This vehicle could perhaps perform the mission based on the visible signature of a launch/attack, but maybe it will operate with a radar vehicle too.

    I am guessing.

    Interesting photos though. Thanks.
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    Post  medo on Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:41 pm

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    Here is a picture of Credo-1E radar. it is difficult to say, if if the thinner box in front is Credo-1E radar antenna. Also it is difficult to say, if antenna could also rotate as EO ball on the pictures. But combination of both, Credo radar and EO system is good combination for battlefield surveillance and directing of artilery fire.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:09 pm

    Develop tools and artillery reconnaissance. Currently set up new means of radar (radar Credo-1C "," Aistenok "," Zoo-1M), audio (ACP-7M), opto-electronic (PDP-4A) and air artillery reconnaissance (reconnaissance complex " fescue), which for several years comes to the troops.

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    http://vpk.name/news/46729_Bog_voinyi_v_novyih_dospehah.html

    So perhaps this is PDP-4A?

    Presumably they are all based on the same vehicle with different packages at the end of the arms and different electronics in the vehicles.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:35 pm

    I don't find that to be a very sensible recon asset. It was designed to pull up well behind the front line and launch missiles, not go behind enemy lines and scout. That ZIL chassis is know for its lack of off-road mobility.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:36 pm

    I guess if they plan to operate it down roads in forests or amongst buildings or thick bush then you have a recon sensor popping up from nowhere with little chance of engaging the actual vehicle.

    The radar models would be used to detect and track incoming artillery fire and determine their source. I expect the electro optics model will be used for passive detection of things like helos and low flying aircraft without a huge risk that the vehicle could be attacked except from directly above.

    I would think a UAV might be better but from the information I posted below these vehicles are for air artillery. Would that mean air defence artillery?
    The mention of audio recon I suppose could allow the vehicle to detect a tank division by its engine noise or aircraft.

    Maybe they improved the vehicles cross country performance, but with road mobile units I think working in pairs will be needed in some areas just to ensure you have a vehicle to help you out of deep mud or deep snow if you get stuck.
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    Post  medo on Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:01 pm

    I find some info about this recce vehicle. It is artillery recce vehicle Kredo-1S 1L269 for ground and low flying target recce and artillery fire directing.

    Link: http://komandos.start.bg/article.php?aid=14618

    Unfortunately it's in Russian, but this source write, it have Kredo-1 radar with range of 35 km to detecting tanks and 15 km to detecting man and EO complex with TI, TV and laser range finder. It was accepted in army in 2007.

    It is also mentioned in this article.

    http://vpk.name/news/46729_Bog_voinyi_v_novyih_dospehah.html
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:59 pm

    Unfortunately that radar has a hard time distinguishing men from vegetation.
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    Post  Austin on Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:38 am

    Radio engineering troops will get new radar
    http://vpk.name/news/47560_radiotehnicheskie_voiska_poluchat_novyie_radiolokacionnyie_stancii.html

    Поставка новых радаров будет осуществляться в рамках госпрограммы вооружений на 2011-2020 годы. До 2020 года планируется переоснащение Радиотехнических войск на 70 процентов "современными и перспективными образцами радиоэлектронного вооружения". В числе новой техники войска получат радиолокационные станции дежурного и боевого режимов типа "Каста", "Гамма", "Небо" и "Рудиолуч". Также будет проводится модернизация уже принятых на вооружение систем.

    Vlad or any body can identify these new radars ?

    I have identified two based on some discussion.

    Gamma-S1Ye --> http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/71/Gamma-S1Ye-MAKS-2007.jpg
    Protivnik-GE ---> http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/80/Protivnik-GE.JPG
    http://pvo.guns.ru/rtv/protivnik.htm
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    Post  Pervius on Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:40 pm

    Kurile and Iturup Islands build up will likely expand Russia's western radar. Maybe S-400's as well going there?
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    Post  Austin on Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:36 am

    Seems like a new Mobile UHF Phased array radar from Russia

    http://www.vniirt.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=22
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    Post  medo on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:08 pm

    Seems like a new Mobile UHF Phased array radar from Russia

    http://www.vniirt.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12&Itemid=22
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    Maybe this could be a battery radar for Pantsir-S1. It's placed on the same Kamaz truck and is in desert colors, what make good association, because Pantsir is always showed in desert color.
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    Post  Austin on Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:13 pm

    I had sent those pictures and link to Dr Carlo Kopp from APA and this is what he has mentioned to me in an email

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    I have seen a picture before but not the description. It is the L-band acquisition radar for standalone batteries of the Pantsir S1 / SA-22 - yes it is a proper full AESA design using technology from the VNIIRT Gamma DE series C
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    This is clarify what those radars are for.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:52 am

    Nice find Austin.

    They seem to be expanding the number of radars in the L band range... I suspect that with the use of L band wing mounted radar in T-50 and Su-35 and perhaps Mig-35, (though I have not got confirmation of the latter I suspect they could use it too), that the Russians believe it might be useful... at least against LO fighters like Rafale and Typhoon, and also perhaps the F-35 and even F-22.

    This makes ground based mobile radars as this very interesting... especially with Pantsir-S1s operational ceiling variably described as 10,000m and 15,000m, as the latter would probably mean that for normal operations the F-35 will not be able to fly over a Pantsir battery.

    This anti stealth role is also useful for Pantsir as it does not rely on radar guidance or terminal homing, and has not forward facing optical ports so DIRCMs on the target will have a hard time stopping the missiles.
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    Post  medo on Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:21 pm

    I wonder if those first Russian Pantsir-S1 batteries have those battery radars or only command posts. I think this AESA radar will be very hard to jam and even if it is jammed, CP could share picture with other radars from IADS and deliver targets to Pantsirs. Pantsirs could work all the time passively. With guns, they are impossible to jam. For missiles, they could jam only guidance signals, what is very hard, because target is not between missile and launcher and guidance signal have very thin angle and very high power so it practically could not be jammed.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:39 pm

    I wonder if those first Russian Pantsir-S1 batteries have those battery radars or only command posts.

    I would expect that only batteries operating on their own would use this sort of radar, though it might be included as part of an anti stealth addition for use with older S-300 systems.

    I would think the very first Pantsir batteries were deployed with S-400 batteries but I would expect production of Pantsir will be rather faster than production of S-400 so I would think the extra batteries will be deployed to S-300 batteries to replace systems like the SA-3 that are widely used to help defend such systems.
    I would think the radars supporting the S-400 would offer pretty good coverage and that these new radars might be more use in Pantsir batteries supporting older SAM systems and also for Pantsir batteries operating alone... say defending a small airfield or something.

    I think this AESA radar will be very hard to jam and even if it is
    jammed, CP could share picture with other radars from IADS and deliver
    targets to Pantsirs.

    Jamming an L band radar would be difficult... for the same reason it is rather hard to jam datalinks... many of which operate in the L band.
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    Post  Austin on Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:47 am

    I think in an intense jamming environment with liberal use of Anti-Radiation Missiles these AESA radar would be eventually jammed with different jamming options like DRFM Jamming to Brute force options.

    It would be wise move to invest in non-RF mode of such system like Pantsir ,BUK ,S-300/400 and every other system out there , invest in advanced EO, IIR Tracking and guidance , multichannel IR tracking and it should be part of any system main Tracking and Guidance radar.

    As all the wars of past and libya operation shows all form of RF radar are the first target of NATO/US forces and are taken out with precision , it would be wise to invest in capable and advanced passive mode of tracking and guidance as with AESA system.

    Not to say that NATO/US will fight Russia but more to improve Russian Defence and export potential of AD system and give it a cutting edge.
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    Post  medo on Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:47 pm

    http://npostrela.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&sectionid=2&catid=7&Itemid=13

    http://npostrela.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=61

    More informations about radar Credo-1E and other radars of that type.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:42 am

    New S-R Radar, possibly associated with the new gen. Vitjaz and Morfej SAM systems. In the pic below it's mounted on a PU-12M7 Air-Def command vehicle

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    It operates in the S-band.

    It's referred to by the Russian acronym 'CAR' (Digital Phased Array)


    Specs from the pic

    Detection range:

    max horizontal: 160km vertical: 12km

    RCS of target

    0.01m2 - 16km
    1m2 - 50km
    2m2 - 60km (see the rest on the pic)


    Max target speed: 2500 m/s



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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:53 am

    Interesting.

    Looks a bit like the new search radar on Pantsir-S1 but not as deep.

    Also interesting that it seems to be attached to the turret of the BTR and that it is on an enlarged forward hull.

    It seems to be based on the GAZ-59039 which is used as an amphibious ambulance/medical vehicle with a tent attachment.

    I doubt this will include the tent.

    Clearly they wanted wheeled mobility for this radar as the MTLB would likely offer easier access and more volume capacity.
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    Post  Russian Patriot on Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:41 pm

    Russia develops new long-range mobile radar

    Russian scientists have developed and tested a new mobile radar which will soon become part of the country’s aerospace defenses.

    The new radar, dubbed 55Zh6ME, is capable of detecting targets at the distance of up to 1,800 kilometers and an altitude of up to 1,200 km.

    “The radar has been developed for the Russian Armed Forces, especially for aerospace defenses,” a spokesman for the Nizhniy Novgorod Research Institute of Radio Engineering (NNIIRT) said on Monday.

    “The deliveries of the first batch of new radars to the [Russian] military are expected soon,” the official said, adding that the product has strong export potential.

    Russia is planning to set up a unified strategic aerospace defense command that would integrate existing air defense and missile defense networks, early warning systems and aerospace monitoring systems.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20111017/167774318.html
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    Post  Austin on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:21 am

    Here is Almaz-Antey press on it

    http://www.almaz-antey.ru/about/press/news/789.html

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    Completed testing multi-radar complex of new generation. In the Russian army enters a highly effective means of reliable control of air-space with a detection range of aerodynamic and ballistic objects up to 1,800 km and a height of 1200 km. The innovative design of the Nizhny Novgorod Research Institute of Radio Engineering (JSC "FSPC" NNIIRT ") is characterized by high mobility and their capacity is capable of replacing the whole radio engineering division. The complex has no domestic analogues.
    Press-service of "FSPC" NNIIRT "
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    So this system has 3 types of radar a metric radar (VHF ), a decimetric radar ( L band ) and Centimetric Radar ( X band AESA ) , All looking at the target in unision and the data is fused from all 3 radar to give a single picture.

    This will be very effective in dealing with LO targets at long range , the only thing they need to add is a Bi-Static Radar like Barrier-E , Passive Radar Detection Kit and Passive EO system.

    I am just wondering if Russia managed to detect a B-2 aircraft so far ?

    Mindstorm , Garry any thing on this ?
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:17 am

    This will be very effective in dealing with LO targets at long range , the only thing they need to add is a Bi-Static Radar like Barrier-E , Passive Radar Detection Kit and Passive EO system.

    Technically any radar system can simply listen and be used in the passive radar mode.

    The system would need to operate with other similar systems so one radar emits radar waves scanning for targets while the other radars simply listen... tricky to do without a C4IR system.

    This way the radars will act as passive radars and also as bi static radars.

    I am just wondering if Russia managed to detect a B-2 aircraft so far ?

    Do you think the US would fly their B-2s close to Russia to let them test their radar equipment against them?

    Would the Russians reveal that they could detect a B-2 if they did?

    A British team detected a B-2 at the Farnborough Airshow with EO/Thermal equipment for the Rapier 2000 system, and the Aussies claim to have detected a B-2 with their OTH-B radar at Jindalee.

    I don't think everyone but the Russians will be detecting B-2s...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:41 am

    Offcourse they can detect it...question is at what range.


    Zoltan Dani's crew claim they could detect the B-2 with their modified P-18 radar. In the book about the war he says it left a similar signal on the radar screen as the F-117 (very faint and different from regular aircraft) but it was clear that it was a much larger aircraft.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:25 am

    Yes, detection with longer wave radars is one thing, but most engagement and tracking radars use higher frequencies that these stealth aircraft are less visible to.

    A bit like the Early 1960s with the U-2... detecting it is not enough, you need something that can go up and kill it too to be a proper air defence.

    Certainly even an Su-25 could be used to intercept either the B-2 or F-117 let alone a real fighter, but the problem is what if it turns out to be an F-22?

    The solution is obviously coming with the S-400, Su-35S, and PAK FA.

    This radar however is an important piece in that finding the target and following its movements and passing that info to S-400 batteries and flights of Flankers and PAK FAs is the first part of a successful interception.

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