Russophobia, Common Lies-Nonsense on Russia

George1 wrote:In Kiev: Preliminary preparations have begun for dismantling the Soviet coat of arms from the shield of the Motherland sculpture

https://en.topwar.ru/189794-v-kieve-nachata-predvaritelnaja-podgotovka-po-demontazhu-sovetskogo-gerba-so-schita-skulptury-rodina-mat.html

They're gonna wreck the whole thing aren't they?
That poor statue is a great summary of modern Ukraine. Remnant of a previous, far more advanced, civilization towering over the city. Modern engineers incapable of dealing with it's advanced construction to modify it. Resorting instead to projecting a symbol of the new regime on its mighty frame.

Soon the ignoble death.

Where did this stereotype of the Russian as a brutish, stupid thug who drinks heavily and calls other people "comrade" come from?

Because most Russians aren't like that at all.

If anything, it is the Americans who seem louder, ruder, and far more ignorant of how the rest of the world operates.

Russians, from what I've seen, are a quiet, serious, guarded folks who aren't prone to smiles and hugs like the Italians and the Spanish are. But they are generally polite, mild-mannered, and don't go out of their way to screw with people who haven't done anything to them. They don't seem to be as easily triggered and hyper-sensitive as Americans can be either.

Cinderblock108 wrote:Where did this stereotype of the Russian as a brutish, stupid thug who drinks heavily and calls other people "comrade" come from?

Because most Russians aren't like that at all.

If anything, it is the Americans who seem louder, ruder, and far more ignorant of how the rest of the world operates.

Russians, from what I've seen, are a quiet, serious, guarded folks who aren't prone to smiles and hugs like the Italians and the Spanish are. But they are generally polite, mild-mannered, and don't go out of their way to screw with people who haven't done anything to them. They don't seem to be as easily triggered and hyper-sensitive as Americans can be either.

You ask a lot of rather odd questions. Stuff that should be rather obvious to even the most basic of individual. I hope you aren't trolling.

Answer: Hollywood = cheap propaganda.

miketheterrible wrote:

Cinderblock108 wrote:Where did this stereotype of the Russian as a brutish, stupid thug who drinks heavily and calls other people "comrade" come from?

Because most Russians aren't like that at all.

If anything, it is the Americans who seem louder, ruder, and far more ignorant of how the rest of the world operates.

Russians, from what I've seen, are a quiet, serious, guarded folks who aren't prone to smiles and hugs like the Italians and the Spanish are. But they are generally polite, mild-mannered, and don't go out of their way to screw with people who haven't done anything to them. They don't seem to be as easily triggered and hyper-sensitive as Americans can be either.

You ask a lot of rather odd questions.  Stuff that should be rather obvious to even the most basic of individual.  I hope you aren't trolling.

Answer: Hollywood = cheap propaganda.

My question is, where did Hollywood get that particular impression of Russians?

Cinderblock108 wrote:

My question is, where did Hollywood get that particular impression of Russians?

It sells easy, and an extremely naive worldView of Hollywood on Europe
Including its audience. it is not just hollywood tough.
Take a look at other media, for example Call of Duty.
Where you, playing as an CIA agent participate with an Terrorist Attack on an russian airport.
Mowing down civilians left and right.

The game never adresses you, the player playing as the character doing this is just an piece of human trash.
An absolute piece of sub-human not worth the oxygen he is drawing.
with all the things the CIA has done over the world, the game should have the millitary and troops on the U.S side disavow any of this.

in 2019's game of COD, there is the highway of death.
what happens here is actual historical revisionism.
Instead of the U.S commiting war crimes, it is portrayed that it is the russians.
You can not do this as an western game developer.

The whole game is pretty much white-washing U.S foreign involvement,painting terrorists (white helmets) as good guys and etc.

Hollywood gets a lot of backing and investing of Lobbyist from the Millitary and Arms industry to portray russians and chinese like this.
Because, fear sells weapons. And constantly dripping this twisted worldview trough media gets new recruits that believes their worldview.

kvs wrote:This shows you how mentally deficient most proles are for such brainwashing via entertainment media to be effective.
But that is the way of things.

hahaha, How do you think i ended up joining the millitary and ending up in Afghanistan

"liberate the world from Terrorism".
I was one of those dumb kids to be honest.
Joining up i wanted to go on deployments to "build a better world".

Well,...setting foot there in Afghanistan and seeing what really was going on.
"this is an reconstruction and peacekeeping operation".
"okay,..."
then you end up in open warfare against the Taliban where no punches are pulled  

we troops: "This was not as it was portrayed in the brochure".
How the U.S looked down upon Allies and Afghans alike,
Our own media constantly shoving things under the carpet what we mentioned to them they should investigate.
How Russians where helping us out everywhere with air logistic companys.

How absolutely wrong i was, and how absolutely corrupted and uncaring Western Foreign Policy is.

Guys like me that tried to mention the wrongdoings there just get silenced. called "russian trolls"or "an poor victim of russian propaganda".
And there goes all your social media accounts .
"Banned for being an member or voicing support of illigitimate and/or criminal organisations".
I really tried, But honestly there is no way to go against this level of media manipulation and propaganda.
At some point you have to let it go, and go on with your life.

I voice my experiences and viewpoints where i can tough.

It is the sad truth indeed,
young guys are just sucked up by it, and sent off to the next unwinnable conflict for Uncle Sam.
Only realising there everything is pure propaganda.

This is an excerpt from the CIA's ""A Study of Assassination", written way back in the early 1950's.

"Conference room technique: [Assassin] #1 Enters room quickly but quietly. #2 Stands in
doorway. #2 Opens fire on first subject to react. Swings across group toward center of
mass. Times burst to empty magazine at end of swing. #1 Covers group to prevent
individual dangerous reactions; if necessary, fires individual bursts of 3 rounds. #1
Finishes burst. Commands 'Shift'. Drops back through door. Replaces empty magazine.
Covers corridor. #1 On command 'Shift', opens fire on opposite side of target. Swings one
burst across group. Leaves propaganda [to implicate the opposition]."

Sounds pretty much like a script for a Hollywood gangster movie or something those "Russians" would do.

Many people stumble at the very beginning when they make the assumption that Russophobia is some kind of spontaneous phenomenon. However, in reality, Russophobia is a carefully developed concept that is used as a tool for political and economic influences: from the suppression of dissent, to the justification of military invasions and the killing of people. This is the same strategy used by the Nazi Reich, only more disguised by modern PR technologies.

Scorpius wrote:Many people stumble at the very beginning when they make the assumption that Russophobia is some kind of spontaneous phenomenon. However, in reality, Russophobia is a carefully developed concept that is used as a tool for political and economic influences: from the suppression of dissent, to the justification of military invasions and the killing of people. This is the same strategy used by the Nazi Reich, only more disguised by modern PR technologies.

Used by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the British, the Polish and others.

i've read in the past almost everything but something like "air assault in Russian teritory" is to much for me and i'm angry. Its like thay say "we are going on vaccation" and with no respect to Russia and most of all to RUSSIAN people at all. There is no difference between them and Hitler - not at all. Thay observe Russians as subhumans or something like that. "Superiority this, superiority that, bad guys and bad people"...

Podlodka77 wrote:i've read in the past almost everything but something like "air assault in Russian teritory" is to much for me and i'm angry. Its like thay say "we are going on vaccation" and with no respect to Russia and most of all to RUSSIAN people at all. There is no difference between them and Hitler - not at all. Thay observe Russians as subhumans or something like that. "Superiority this, superiority that, bad guys and bad people"...

Murkan elites and their Eurotrash vassals want to be able to treat Russians in the same way as they treated Serbs in 1999.

Won't EVER happen.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:i've read in the past almost everything but something like "air assault in Russian teritory" is to much for me and i'm angry. Its like thay say "we are going on vaccation" and with no respect to Russia and most of all to RUSSIAN people at all. There is no difference between them and Hitler - not at all. Thay observe Russians as subhumans or something like that. "Superiority this, superiority that, bad guys and bad people"...

Murkan elites and their Eurotrash vassals want to be able to treat Russians in the same way as they treated Serbs in 1999.

Won't EVER happen.  

I am sorry because this is a Su-57 section, but i must write this..
They hate Russia; 1. Poland (number one and thay hate Russia more than any other country in the World hates another country), UK (thay hate everyone) , France, Sweden, Baltic banana states,
They dont like Russia; Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Austria.
They wish they were gone out of all of this; Germany in my opinion. Germans have had enough of Russia i am sure about that.
They have no hatred: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia..
NO FUCKING CHANCE; Serbia and Greece.

Podlodka77 wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:i've read in the past almost everything but something like "air assault in Russian teritory" is to much for me and i'm angry. Its like thay say "we are going on vaccation" and with no respect to Russia and most of all to RUSSIAN people at all. There is no difference between them and Hitler - not at all. Thay observe Russians as subhumans or something like that. "Superiority this, superiority that, bad guys and bad people"...

Murkan elites and their Eurotrash vassals want to be able to treat Russians in the same way as they treated Serbs in 1999.

Won't EVER happen.  

I am sorry because this is a Su-57 section, but i must write this..
They hate Russia; 1. Poland (number one and thay hate Russia more than any other country in the World hates another country), UK (thay hate everyone) , France, Sweden, Baltic banana states,
They dont like Russia; Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, Austria.
They wish they were gone out of all of this; Germany in my opinion. Germans have had enough of Russia i am sure about that.
They have no hatred: Italy, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia..
NO FUCKING CHANCE; Serbia and Greece.

Romania has a hatred almost on par with poland against russia. They're eternally butthurt about moldova existsing and the USSR "assimilating romanians" there. Most romanians are proud of invading Russia in 1941 and I talked to many romanians who said their grandparents killed and terrorized slavs in the USSR during WW2 and that this was justified because the russians were "subhuman bolsheviks" and that romanians did russians a favor in ukraine by civilizing them from bolshevik barbarity.


Hungary will always be prowestern due to butthurt about 1956.

If anything croatia has little to no hatred.

Sorry for offtopic

Podlodka77 wrote:i've read in the past almost everything but something like "air assault in Russian teritory" is to much for me and i'm angry. Its like thay say "we are going on vaccation" and with no respect to Russia and most of all to RUSSIAN people at all. There is no difference between them and Hitler - not at all. Thay observe Russians as subhumans or something like that. "Superiority this, superiority that, bad guys and bad people"...

Just see this as idiots that have no idea what they are talking about.
For anyone interrested, go see "we where soldiers" and see how high intensity and resource-intensive an airborne operation is.
Propably the only war movie i saw too that treated the "enemy" with respect too.

NATO has not the aircraft, soldiers, expertise and Munitions left to do any of this.
Its entire leadership has been replaced by "yes-men" that never stop to think with "this is never going to work"

And you know how that ends working out?.

You sit in an meeting to deploy armoured units to Scotland. No airlift capacity, no landing ships for transport.
So your millitary rents an civilian liner...and just part of it.
Because...too expensive.

You adress that if its under civilian control, it will adhere to civilian rules and regulations, NATO flatbeds and tanks do not conform to this.
superiour NATO officer says im being nitpicky and to shut up.
I once again tell my luitenant present civilan liners will not accept anything with dimensions outside of 16.5m length, 2.6m in width, 4m in height and 40 tonnes in weight.
This is EU regulation for civilian trucking. You can not mess with this if you want to use civilian transportation.
He tries to adress it one more time again. NATO officer again refuses to consider it. Mighty battle plan against russia is all that he wants to talk about.

You know what happened when all the flatbed trucks arrived at the Port harbor?. with the civilian liner there?.
The loading officer of the liner told us we could forget it. That we where not going to fit on there. GIving me an earfull too we where messing with his window of departure.
I just plain off told him he was right, that i said it too. Just dont take it out on me, just another government employee here. Cog in the machine....
He told NATO bought one standard truck spot for each NATO flatbed truck.

With some back and forth, we could load about 26 percent of our flatbeds with tanks.
The loadmaster and i came up with an idea to distribute them over two spots, with plenty of room for weight distribution for ship stability.
Four spots for the really heavy flatbeds.

Told my Captain about it, and he agreed it was this. or nothing would go to scotland on time.
We needed to meet the ferry departure time, or NATO propably could pay in retrospect for the whole ships voyage for lost profit.

So...26 percent of NATO vehicles managed to get to scotland. because of incompetent leadership in NATO command.
Amazing, it is not even war. no time restrictions before preparations, and not even this they could get right.

And this is not an isolated incident.

Podlodka77 wrote:i've read in the past almost everything but something like "air assault in Russian teritory" is to much for me and i'm angry. Its like thay say "we are going on vaccation" and with no respect to Russia and most of all to RUSSIAN people at all. There is no difference between them and Hitler - not at all. Thay observe Russians as subhumans or something like that. "Superiority this, superiority that, bad guys and bad people"...

By air assault do you mean a large-scale air raid by NATO forces? Only armchair experts think it's easy to do. Anyone who knows anything will know in reality it's not.

You should not be taking what armchair experts say seriously, I do not don't take NATO armchair experts nor Russian ones seriously because both are just guys online.

Russian AD would be a tough nut to crack for sure, it would take a lot of coordination between air and naval forces. No AD is god, it can be destroyed etc. The thing with war is the more it goes on, the longer the forces get used to it, so the more NATO actually fights against those russians AD systems, the more competent NATO would get against them, war is about experience really. In peacetime, you often get shit results like Airborne mentioned because its peacetime, people do not take it nearly as seriously. They get lazy, take shortcuts etc.

In this case for the Russians the more time they spend dealing with NATO air forces, in a real war setting, not a couple of planes at once the more adjusted they will become, the more they will adjust and grow, learn lessons to counter it more effectively.

Running any air ops into Russia would be a very very hard thing to do, Only fanboys or armchair experts think it would be a vacation.