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    Post  Werewolf Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:49 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:So who is the man in the 'phoney' video?

    Is it actually the real foley or a paid actor?

    What happens to the actor/foley after the video? Are they killed off to stop them from talking?

    Who knows, but i doubt we will see him again. However those videos are made up, he is speaking like he makes an audition for cast for a new movie or something, not the usual people who had to read or say stuff their terrorist keepers had made for them, with wimsy, scared faces or voices that usually leave something for their relatives on message because they already got told that they would not be spared.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:01 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/world/809866

    LOl. So Poland and Netherlands wants to set up a Russian language propaganda tv station and news site.

    Russia should announce a Polish and Netherlands based tv station and news site.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:37 pm

    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/809866

    LOl. So Poland and Netherlands wants to set up a Russian language propaganda tv station and news site.

    Russia should announce a Polish and Netherlands based tv station and news site.

    Waste of money for non important countries that have zero weight in geopolitics. Russia should focus more on germany, once germany slips out of US hands the entire US will cramble because they can only project their political, economical and military will via germany due the decade long manifistation and perception of europeans to look upon germany despite history.
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    Post  Godric Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:41 pm

    the BBC are the biggest arseholes when it comes to Propaganda they were meant to be impartial during the Scottish referendum .... they were anything but impartial ... keep in mind the BBC is publically funded via tax (TV License) the BBC like to portray this false image of everything is rosy in the UK and everyone is united ... the UK media in general has this belief that UK is better than everyone else and cannot grasp why ever increasing numbers of Scots wants independence ... the UK government (Conservative party) and the English media are now regretting the fight to keep Scotland in the UK as they now realise the Scottish political landscape has totally changed for pro union parties they now only have 3 seats between them out of 59 seats (the SNP won 56 of them)
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:55 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/809866

    LOl. So Poland and Netherlands wants to set up a Russian language propaganda tv station and news site.

    Russia should announce a Polish and Netherlands based tv station and news site.

    Waste of money for non important countries that have zero weight in geopolitics. Russia should focus more on germany, once germany slips out of US hands the entire US will cramble because they can only project their political, economical and military will via germany due the decade long manifistation and perception of europeans to look upon germany despite history.

    Correct.
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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:29 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://tass.ru/en/world/809866

    LOl. So Poland and Netherlands wants to set up a Russian language propaganda tv station and news site.

    Russia should announce a Polish and Netherlands based tv station and news site.

    These idiots are under the self-delusion that Russians are deprived of the "truth". Russians have NATO "truth"
    all they can swallow from the liberast Russian media and from the internet. Throwing more of this "truth" at
    them will only bring more backlash against the obvious and rabid NATO anti-Russian agenda. So go ahead,
    retards, bring it!
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    Post  wilhelm Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:39 pm

    Godric wrote:the BBC are the biggest arseholes when it comes to Propaganda they were meant to be impartial during the Scottish referendum .... they were anything but impartial ... keep in mind the BBC is publically funded via tax (TV License) the BBC like to portray this false image of everything is rosy in the UK and everyone is united ... the UK media in general has this belief that UK is better than everyone else and cannot grasp why ever increasing numbers of Scots wants independence ... the UK government (Conservative party) and the English media are now regretting the fight to keep Scotland in the UK as they now realise the Scottish political landscape has totally changed for pro union parties they now only have 3 seats between them out of 59 seats (the SNP won 56 of them)

    This.

    I watched that whole BBC debacle with regards to Scotland.

    The BBC are awful, and don't even pretend anymore to hide whatever bias they have on a range of agendas they try to drive home.
    Russia is one of those agendas, and anytime anybody posts a link with regard to Russia from the BBC, you can almost always bet that whetever line they're pushing, the opposite is in fact true.
    I haven't bothered going to the BBc for a couple of years already.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:55 pm

    AM I the only one that wonders how according to official international statistics average Russian IQ is a good 2 points lower than american and not even top 20 in the world, even when most average russians clearly are more enlightened
    and educated than the average american, njot to mention Russia being one of the world leaders in skilled human resources and technology?

    Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:17 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:AM I the only one that wonders how according to official international statistics average Russian IQ is a good 2 points lower than american and not even top 20 in the world, even when most average russians clearly are more enlightened
    and educated than the average american, njot to mention Russia being one of the world leaders in skilled human resources and technology?

    Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?

    Because such "International statistics" are mainly owned by USA and are always and constantly abused for political reasons. Russia is the most educated country and education is free giving higher opportunity.

    Russia is also among the highest in "corruption ratings" while US is not in top 1, while they count whores,drugs and what not to their GDP, while raiting their universities as best in the world with ratings that base Caffeteria on same level as some educational subjects.


    Only trust statistics which you made yourself!
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:24 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:AM I the only one that wonders how according to official international statistics average Russian IQ is a good 2 points lower than american and not even top 20 in the world, even when most average russians clearly are more enlightened
    and educated than the average american, njot to mention Russia being one of the world leaders in skilled human resources and technology?

    Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?


    That is correct. Basically all of the international institutions, including the UN and its various branches, are hijacked by NATO. Money
    talks and when the USSR failed, its former "allies" started sucking Uncle Sam's shlong.

    IQ is a broken concept. It is not merely "political correctness" to diss it. The results depend on things such a knowledge of
    western cultural norms.

    http://listverse.com/2013/05/19/8-reasons-the-iq-is-meaningless/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/iq-tests-are-fundamentally-flawed-and-using-them-alone-to-measure-intelligence-is-a-fallacy-study-finds-8425911.html
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:25 pm

    All we need to do is just show the various articles about Russian students winning all these international science, math and such tests, and that should prove whom is obviously smarter.

    Especially when majority of those intelligent students from USA are either from India or are 1st generation US citizen.
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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:27 am

    sepheronx wrote:All we need to do is just show the various articles about Russian students winning all these international science, math and such tests, and that should prove whom is obviously smarter.

    Especially when majority of those intelligent students from USA are either from India or are 1st generation US citizen.

    This is quite right.  Go to MIT and you will see a large number of foreigners.   I know of one case in Canada where University of
    Toronto was discounting the educational credentials of a graduate from one of the top tier Russian schools who had won these
    sorts of international competitions.    There is brazen chauvinist discrimination against Russia and Russians in the precious NATO
    west.   But Canada gets what it deserves so I don't really care.   Russians are better off staying at home and making their
    country great instead of migrating to a place like Canada and being treated like Nth rate dirt and starting from scratch.   This
    experience would only be appealing for people escaping grinding poverty in the "developing" world.
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    Post  whir Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:13 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?
    No, but PISA is somewhat rigged, not because of some conspiracy but because several countries like Denmark or South Korea have special programs to prepare it.

    kvs wrote:IQ is a broken concept.   It is not merely "political correctness" to diss it.   The results depend on things such a knowledge of
    western cultural norms.
    I'm sure Emotional Intelligence tests are more useful and not totally broken. IQ tests have their uses, aside from bragging rights, when used properly. People like to despise everything that challenges their intelligence because most are terribly immature when dealing with failure.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:38 pm

    There's pretty much one reason why all US universities are ranked so high - money.

    Caltech has an endownment of $2bln and has only 2,000 students and MiT has over $12 bln for 11,000 students. These are massive amounts of money. There are unis in USa with endowments of over $30bln The richest uni in Europe - Cambridge - has an endownment of 4 bln Euro and the richest one outside of UK has $1 bln Euro (ETH Zurich).

    THis means massive investment in research - so the best scientists from all around the world work in the US.
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    Post  Maximmmm Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:53 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:There's pretty much one reason why all US universities are ranked so high - money.

    Caltech has an endownment of $2bln and has only 2,000 students and MiT has over $12 bln for 11,000 students. These are massive amounts of money. There are unis in USa with endowments of over $30bln The richest uni in Europe - Cambridge - has an endownment of 4 bln Euro and the richest one outside of UK has $1 bln Euro (ETH Zurich).

    THis means massive investment in research - so the best scientists from all around the world work in the US.

    Exactly. I work in a lab and even though we do pretty mundane shit, the amount of money going through is insane. The cooler your work, the more money you're burning. The days when you could win a nobel prize with some backroom chemistry and a self-designed maguffin are long gone.
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    Post  whir Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:51 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:Exactly. I work in a lab and even though we do pretty mundane shit, the amount of money going through is insane. The cooler your work, the more money you're burning. The days when you could win a nobel prize with some backroom chemistry and a self-designed maguffin are long gone.
    Institutionalised academia is a nasty business nowadays but most of the research continues being done with quite modest means.

    Even in fancy labs is nearly impossible to get proper financing, much less get a prize, without being known and that means two things: publishing regularly and having friends.
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    Post  Maximmmm Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:22 pm

    whir wrote:
    Institutionalised academia is a nasty business nowadays but most of the research continues being done with quite modest means.

    Even in fancy labs is nearly impossible to get proper financing, much less get a prize, without being known and that means two things: publishing regularly and  having friends.

    Purely from my own experience:
    A lot of it depends on what kind of lab you're running. For a lot of the immunology labs that I know that do extensive live-cell culture & mice work, they're spending a lot of money just keeping all the equipment and the lab techs in place.
    Example: Our lab works with bacterial strains, and pretty easy ones (E.coli and the like) so we're fine with a -80 freezer for cell culture stocks. A good friend of mine works with human cell lines and they need cryogenic -150 freezers. The price jump between the two is pretty big. And that list goes on and on. Usually labs share equipment, with grants having multiple co-signers, but often the University will entice promising researchers by giving a huge wad of cash for up-front set up purchases.
    Smaller universities and/or poorer ones get priced out very quickly.

    We get guys coming from all the other universities around to do stuff because we have equipment they don't.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:59 pm

    Also it must be noted that russian univeristies and institutes seamingly have so little research published is because said research is being done by different institutions unlike in the west, while said universities have only an educational task.
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    Post  Maximmmm Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:16 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Also it must be noted that russian univeristies and institutes seamingly have so little research published is because said research is being done by different institutions unlike in the west, while said universities have only an educational task.
    \

    There's a huge problem about publishing research. Our journals are completely ignored in the west and not a lot of Russian scientists can write & get published in western journals. I also don't know of much collaboration between labs in the west and labs in Russia. The Russian academy of sciences is a mess.
    There's definitely a lot of work to be done.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:29 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:Also it must be noted that russian univeristies and institutes seamingly have so little research published is because said research is being done by different institutions unlike in the west, while said universities have only an educational task.
    \

    There's a huge problem about publishing research. Our journals are completely ignored in the west and not a lot of Russian scientists can write & get published in western journals. I also don't know of much collaboration between labs in the west and labs in Russia. The Russian academy of sciences is a mess.
    There's definitely a lot of work to be done.

    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:39 pm

    Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.
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    Post  Maximmmm Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:40 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:44 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.

    And yet Texas is doing the smart thing, something that no other states seem to get it through their thick skulls, is real industry investments.  Texas is one of the few states left with real manufacturing, real agriculture not heavily subsidized, real energy production and real technological development (I think there are a few Fabless R&D facilities in Texas now).

    I met some very smart semiconductor engineers from Texas.  They were also very humble people whom were very open to all types of ideas.  Not arrogant pricks.  Then again, I also had a Texan call me a snow N*gger.

    Maximmmm wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.

    Russia impressed most in the recent months with Baikal electronics and MCST. They generate quite the intelligent semiconductor engineers without having a large corporation to fund them. Much like in the past. Now that there is a demand for local technology, Baikal electronics will become quite huge, MCST is getting bigger (although, KVS and I agree that they can still greatly improve Elbrus E2K architecture) and even Microclet whom people thought would die quickly, is finding buyers and contracts for their non von newmann processor.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:16 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.

    And yet Texas is doing the smart thing, something that no other states seem to get it through their thick skulls, is real industry investments.  Texas is one of the few states left with real manufacturing, real agriculture not heavily subsidized, real energy production and real technological development (I think there are a few Fabless R&D facilities in Texas now).

    I met some very smart semiconductor engineers from Texas.  They were also very humble people whom were very open to all types of ideas.  Not arrogant pricks.  Then again, I also had a Texan call me a snow N*gger.

    Maximmmm wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.

    Russia impressed most in the recent months with Baikal electronics and MCST.  They generate quite the intelligent semiconductor engineers without having a large corporation to fund them.  Much like in the past.  Now that there is a demand for local technology, Baikal electronics will become quite huge, MCST is getting bigger (although, KVS and I agree that they can still greatly improve Elbrus E2K architecture) and even Microclet whom people thought would die quickly, is finding buyers and contracts for their non von newmann processor.

    What? You should have knocked him on his ass for calling you that, and given him an attitude adjustment!

    For sure, land in Texas has been in families' hands for generations, 100's of years, and some of them--they are not ever giving it up! If you go to the County I grew up in to buy 500 acres today, you can forget it. NO ONE is selling.
    That's the one thing I like about where I live in Texas--you can drive for miles and miles, and no towns, because ranchers own so much land.
    Like it was in Wyoming back in the 1970's, was even more so up there, 100 miles from town to town. Nothing in between, except maybe a ranch house.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:18 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Lord, y'all are living in the world of labs; I'm living in the world of ranchers, cows, and farmers. I truly live on the back 40. Shocked

    There's 3 kinds of ppl here: the ones who think Fox news is gospel, the ones who think NYTs is gospel, and the people who think all of them are government or big business bought, sold, paid for whores, and can't believe any of them.

    And yet Texas is doing the smart thing, something that no other states seem to get it through their thick skulls, is real industry investments.  Texas is one of the few states left with real manufacturing, real agriculture not heavily subsidized, real energy production and real technological development (I think there are a few Fabless R&D facilities in Texas now).

    I met some very smart semiconductor engineers from Texas.  They were also very humble people whom were very open to all types of ideas.  Not arrogant pricks.  Then again, I also had a Texan call me a snow N*gger.

    Maximmmm wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Its the mess of the 90's and it will never recover.  Hence why the government handed over all those institutions to another organization and all those scientists started to protest.

    But Russian scientific universities can be top notch.  Look at Tomsk.  Majority of technological prowess is coming from there.

    Clearly Universities in Russia are good since they win so many competitions, even against the Indian students whom are representing US universities.

    Oh hell yeah. Some of the science coming out of the country is very very very impressive. Especially in the fields we're traditionally strong in. Now that scientists are more comfortable publishing in western journals the stuff is at least being seen. (A lot of the best stuff is born from cooperation with other labs, and greater exposure allows that to happen) Language barrier was a big problem for a while, now it's been improved a lot.

    Russia impressed most in the recent months with Baikal electronics and MCST.  They generate quite the intelligent semiconductor engineers without having a large corporation to fund them.  Much like in the past.  Now that there is a demand for local technology, Baikal electronics will become quite huge, MCST is getting bigger (although, KVS and I agree that they can still greatly improve Elbrus E2K architecture) and even Microclet whom people thought would die quickly, is finding buyers and contracts for their non von newmann processor.

    What? You should have knocked him on his ass for calling you that, and given him an attitude adjustment!

    For sure, land in Texas has been in families' hands for generations, 100's of years, and some of them--they are not ever giving it up! If you go to the County I grew up in to buy 500 acres today, you can forget it. NO ONE is selling.
    That's the one thing I like about where I live in Texas--you can drive for miles and miles, and no towns, because ranchers own so much land.
    Like it was in Wyoming back in the 1970's, was even more so up there, 100 miles from town to town. Nothing in between, except maybe a ranch house.

    I actually found it quite funny. I had a technician from Michigan come in and when I told him, he thought it was hilarious and asked if he could use it on his facebook account, I said sure! I really did think it was one of the funniest things I heard.

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