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    Tu-22M3: News

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:25 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:China could still buy Tu-22m3 they are still useful and better than the H-6. China could then retire some of its older H-6 and with the H-20 in development they would run all three bombers. The H-6 isn't useless but the Tu-22m is much better. And there's only some much upgrading u can do.

    There are only 60 Tu-22s left in existence

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:China could still buy Tu-22m3 they are still useful and better than the H-6. China could then retire some of its older H-6 and with the H-20 in development they would run all three bombers. The H-6 isn't useless but the Tu-22m is much better. And there's only some much upgrading u can do.

    There are only 60 Tu-22s left in existence


    There's actually more, a recent post on here stated 55 in service, 11 in repair shop, and 58 Tu-22m2 in storage, so just sell them the M2. Over 200 M2 were built so many spares lurking around.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:46 am

    Tu-22M is last week's model in comparison to that obsolete pile of junk

    The Tu-22M3M is a very good aircraft, and I would suggest it is competitive with the B-1B in terms of performance, but the basic design is getting old now, just the the basic design of the Tu-16 is too.

    No amount of new engines and new radars and new electronics can patch over the fact that they could make something better from scratch now.

    Introducing the Tu-22M3 now would be like paying for a contract to locally produce Su-24s... they are not bad aircraft, but are in the process of being superceded so spending money introducing them does not make sense.

    If you could work out a contract with Russia to take them all of their hands with engines and spare parts when there are enough Tu-160s and PAK DAs to replace them then that would make sense, but I am not sure Russia would be happy to give away brand new NK-32 engine technology that easily... or the new avionics for that matter... the money to compensate them for that technology transfer would mean they would need to make it very expensive... in which case China will likely decide to develop there own platform... especially after seeing what the PAK DA looks like.
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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:China could still buy Tu-22m3 they are still useful and better than the H-6. China could then retire some of its older H-6 and with the H-20 in development they would run all three bombers. The H-6 isn't useless but the Tu-22m is much better. And there's only some much upgrading u can do.

    There are only 60 Tu-22s left in existence


    Nonsense, based on what Franco posted there are 102 M3s
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    Post  limb Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:31 am

    Extra speed is more important than stealth when it comes to launching standoff munitions. Its not guaranteed that a CBG will be tracked all the time, so its good if the bomber can go supersonic if the CBGs position is different by a lot. Also Tu-22M3s wont only be used for anti-ship strike, but also tactical land strikes, and extra speed in case iads and radar net has been reduced through attrition is good, in order to escape ambushes. With extra speed the Tu-22M3 can scramble faster than a supersonic bomber and  from an airfield further away from enemy cruise missiles, because It can fly fartjer for a shorter period of time.  The other important factor is that the Tu-22M3 and Tu-160 can fly between both sides of russia faster, and bring standoff firepower faster from further away. If lets say a massed cruise missile strike destroys an airfield in the west(not likely but still possible), Tu-22s can be brought in  like 4 hours from the far east.

    Also, the fact that the Tu-22M3 can fly faster means that the booster stage of the hypersonic missiles can be smaller due to increased launch speed of the carrier.

    Both the PAK Da and Tu-22M3 have their uses, and can complement rather than replace each ther.

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 25, 2021 11:02 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/524759-tu22m3-bomber-land-syria/

    TU-22s land in Syria...are they being based there permenantly? Hopefully the Russians can use this to test the M3Ms while obliterating some terrorists.

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    Post  Lurk83 Wed May 26, 2021 3:59 am

    mnztr wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/524759-tu22m3-bomber-land-syria/

    TU-22s land in Syria...are they being based there permenantly? Hopefully the Russians can use this to test the M3Ms while obliterating some terrorists.

    No it's reported via Tass that they'll "return to Russian bases once they've mastered operating in the Mediterranean theatre."
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    Post  mnztr Wed May 26, 2021 7:28 am

    Sure but these are 3 bombers, will they rotate through on a regular schedule or is this a one off?

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    Post  Lurk83 Wed May 26, 2021 11:12 am

    mnztr wrote:Sure but these are 3 bombers, will they rotate through on a regular schedule or is this a one off?

    Good question.

    If it were me I'd keep 3 there at all times and rotate them regularly to train pilots.
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    Post  GarryB Wed May 26, 2021 12:32 pm

    These aircraft have been used in Syria, so if they want to use them again they could operate them from the local airfield meaning much heavier bomb loads could be delivered to target.

    By the look of some attacks payloads of about 12 x 500kg bombs are being used from the internal bomb bay, but that is 3 tons.

    From a local airfield they could carry vastly bigger loads... with external multiple ejector racks the Tu-22M3 can carry about 69 x 250kg bombs... which is actually comparable to what the B-52 can carry... though obviously the B-52 can carry that load further.

    If it were me I'd keep 3 there at all times and rotate them regularly to train pilots.

    And importantly that is what they have done with their other aircraft... rotated in air crews from across Russia to get them operational experience in combat against real targets.

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed May 26, 2021 1:42 pm

    https://twitter.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1397121343854759938

    The 3 #Tu22M3|s seen arriving at Khmeimim are red "15"(RF-94149), "28"(RF-94157) &"50"(RF-34091). "15"
    &"28" are based out of Shaykovka AB, Kaluga Oblast (52nd TBAP). "50" is based out of Belaya AB, Irkutsk Oblast (200th TBAP) unless it was transferred to Shaykovka (I doubt it).

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    Post  mnztr Wed May 26, 2021 9:50 pm

    The Brits are sailing their latest job creation scheme in the Med so I guess the Russians put there there so they can do some carrier sinking training.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:49 pm

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    New deployment to Syria.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:50 pm

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    This time they are accompanied by a few friends.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:41 pm

    First deployment by the MiG-31 isn't it? I was missing them already Wink
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:00 pm

    LMFS wrote:First deployment by the MiG-31 isn't it? I was missing them already Wink

    And they are missing Kinzhals (unless they are already there Cool )
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    Post  LMFS Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:50 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:And they are missing Kinzhals (unless they are already there Cool  )

    Kinzhal you say? Cool

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:02 pm

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:03 pm

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:07 pm

    LMFS wrote: Kinzhal you say? Cool

    Oh yeah, baby love

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:31 am

    Good to see they are ready for that British ship for when it leaves the Black Sea.... Twisted Evil
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:30 am

    The program for the creation of the Tu-22M3M is entering a new stage. According to BUSINESS Online, it was decided to complete the airframes of rocket-carrying bombers standing at the Kazan Aircraft Factory since the early 90s. 
    Unlike the two prototypes flying today, created from combat vehicles, these will be really new aircraft — not only with "zero" airframes, but also with modern electronic equipment. However, the engines will have to be put old.
    We are talking about fully finished airframes, that is, fuselages with wings, tail, landing gear, but without the "stuffing" - engines, avionics, etc. Airframes were made in the early 90s, but they did not go into business, because in 1993 the construction of the Tu-22M3 was stopped. 
    There are 6 reserves left on the factory. One was completed in 1997, another was installed as a monument opposite the plant management, and four first stood for a long time near the flight test station, and then they were dragged to the old runway.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:49 pm


    Nice thumbsup

    So are they doing just these 4 on the image or are they adding other 2 as well?


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