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    Tu-22M3: News

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:25 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:China could still buy Tu-22m3 they are still useful and better than the H-6. China could then retire some of its older H-6 and with the H-20 in development they would run all three bombers. The H-6 isn't useless but the Tu-22m is much better. And there's only some much upgrading u can do.

    There are only 60 Tu-22s left in existence

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Apr 05, 2021 12:55 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:China could still buy Tu-22m3 they are still useful and better than the H-6. China could then retire some of its older H-6 and with the H-20 in development they would run all three bombers. The H-6 isn't useless but the Tu-22m is much better. And there's only some much upgrading u can do.

    There are only 60 Tu-22s left in existence


    There's actually more, a recent post on here stated 55 in service, 11 in repair shop, and 58 Tu-22m2 in storage, so just sell them the M2. Over 200 M2 were built so many spares lurking around.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:46 am

    Tu-22M is last week's model in comparison to that obsolete pile of junk

    The Tu-22M3M is a very good aircraft, and I would suggest it is competitive with the B-1B in terms of performance, but the basic design is getting old now, just the the basic design of the Tu-16 is too.

    No amount of new engines and new radars and new electronics can patch over the fact that they could make something better from scratch now.

    Introducing the Tu-22M3 now would be like paying for a contract to locally produce Su-24s... they are not bad aircraft, but are in the process of being superceded so spending money introducing them does not make sense.

    If you could work out a contract with Russia to take them all of their hands with engines and spare parts when there are enough Tu-160s and PAK DAs to replace them then that would make sense, but I am not sure Russia would be happy to give away brand new NK-32 engine technology that easily... or the new avionics for that matter... the money to compensate them for that technology transfer would mean they would need to make it very expensive... in which case China will likely decide to develop there own platform... especially after seeing what the PAK DA looks like.
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    Post  mnztr Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:China could still buy Tu-22m3 they are still useful and better than the H-6. China could then retire some of its older H-6 and with the H-20 in development they would run all three bombers. The H-6 isn't useless but the Tu-22m is much better. And there's only some much upgrading u can do.

    There are only 60 Tu-22s left in existence


    Nonsense, based on what Franco posted there are 102 M3s
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    Post  limb Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:31 am

    Extra speed is more important than stealth when it comes to launching standoff munitions. Its not guaranteed that a CBG will be tracked all the time, so its good if the bomber can go supersonic if the CBGs position is different by a lot. Also Tu-22M3s wont only be used for anti-ship strike, but also tactical land strikes, and extra speed in case iads and radar net has been reduced through attrition is good, in order to escape ambushes. With extra speed the Tu-22M3 can scramble faster than a supersonic bomber and  from an airfield further away from enemy cruise missiles, because It can fly fartjer for a shorter period of time.  The other important factor is that the Tu-22M3 and Tu-160 can fly between both sides of russia faster, and bring standoff firepower faster from further away. If lets say a massed cruise missile strike destroys an airfield in the west(not likely but still possible), Tu-22s can be brought in  like 4 hours from the far east.

    Also, the fact that the Tu-22M3 can fly faster means that the booster stage of the hypersonic missiles can be smaller due to increased launch speed of the carrier.

    Both the PAK Da and Tu-22M3 have their uses, and can complement rather than replace each ther.

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