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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:12 pm

    This thread exemplifies the chutzpah anti-Russian BS from all of Russia's so-called friends. You piss on Russia and even claim
    to be "justified" in your pissing and then expect Russians to kiss your asses and to carry your water for you.

    It's time you hypocrites realized that your opinions do not matter to Russians since you have no credibility and no honesty.
    So go ahead and keep pissing on Russia being the source of all your problems and see how far that will take you. And
    if you are going to invoke some argument about how you will join NATzO. Go and get stuffed. You are already NATzO assets
    so that blackmail will not fly.

    I will repost this here since it is exhibit A of Russia's backstabbing "friends":



    You are not friends and are real enemies. You are fooling no one.



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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:54 pm

    Kiko wrote:In Brazil we have a tremendous amount of jokes over former colonialists the Portuguese.

    Brazil was a direct colony of Portugal. There is no similarity to Armenia. The proper term would be protectorate
    incorporated into the Russian Empire at the pleading of the Armenians themselves. That's right, they wanted to
    become a Russian protectorate and for obvious reasons. There was no country called Brazil that asked to join
    the Portugese Empire.

    But Armenia stopped being a protectorate in 1917 and became part of the conglomerate called the USSR that put
    regional ethnic self-determination rights above all else and carved Russia up in the process (e.g. Novorussia which
    includes the Donbass was gifted to the artificial republic called Ukraine. Belorussia was concocted out thin air
    as well). After the USSR broke up Armenia has been a fully independent country and not any sort of protectorate
    or colony. But if you listen to them talk you would think that they have been a Russian colony for centuries and
    only now under Pussynian's regime breathing the fresh air of freedom.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:14 pm

    Mental shit. Take your meds cretin.
    Russia is now back at playing regional cop after trying not to get involved. I guess Russia likes « backstabbers ».
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:15 pm

    Russia will no doubt say that the costs of this operation are, like they said initially about Syria, coming out of the training budget. This time it is likely to be more accurate as hopefully there will not be significant consumption of munitions and aircraft life, the big extras in Syria.

    In many ways for the Russian army this is a really good opportunity to train a large number of its forces in an area of operations that seems to be becoming more important. Unlike training back in Russia the logistics are more complex (more training) but they don't have to supply the opposing forces and they don't need the Navy or much of the RuAF. It will be interesting to see how quickly they rotate their units.

    So the Russian forces now have a minimum 5 year contract on a new, high realism, very large training ground probably at pretty low cost and risk. To me that's a very good result on its own, on top of which there are the strategic and political benefits, not least of which was virtually not a bad word from anyone on their actions.

    I expect that, once they realised what they had achieved, for the loss of an aircrew and a helicopter, they broke out the good stuff and had a couple of glasses in celebration.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:51 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

    Why may Russia have intervened there? maybe for being native Russian lands populated by Russians? For being given illegally to Ukraine by one Ukrainian that was a scumbag? For Ukraine having left the USSR without returning the Russian lands they gained with their accession? What was an annexation was what Ukraine made with Sevastopol, against the will of its inhabitants and completely outside of the law, what Russia did via referendum is contemplated in the UN charter and is not called annexation. Jesus, now Russia needs to excuse themselves for not rescuing every idiot from themselves and every kitten on a tree. Let them grow some balls and some spine, then maybe Russia, if they want and when they want, may think of helping them. Russia has won influence and seen the situation evolve towards a more sustainable status without firing a shot, without breaking international law and without offending their allies. Game, set and match for Russia, losers can go whine somewhere else.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:07 pm

    Pacense wrote:From an Armenian point of view, it should had felt really strange that your biggest ally (even protector) was selling arms for years to your biggest enemy.

    Just saying...

    And I guess it explains a bit of Armenian resittiment towards Russia right now.

    What we should be all be asking is what will happen 5 years from now. That is the big question mark. No matter what I think life of the people who stayed in Artsakh will be harsh.

    Has Armenia bought Russia or something? I don't know why people apply 8 year old logic to relations between countries. Sovereign states can deal with whoever they want and have any number of allies they want. If Armenia thinks they can handle Russia on a leash like a dog and thinks bad of them because they are also an ally of Azerbaijan, then they really don't deserve anything better than being steam-rolled by the Turks. I tell you, the limitrophes are in for a very rude awakening.

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    Post  George1 Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:32 pm

    Two An-124 aircraft of the military transport aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which took off from the Ulyanovsk-Vostochny airfield, arrived at the airfield in Yerevan. The aircraft delivered ten BTR-82A armored personnel carriers, MTO equipment, as well as about 30 military personnel of the peacekeeping units.

    After unloading, inspection and preparation of equipment, the arrived units of the 15th peacekeeping brigade as part of military columns will make a 300-kilometer march to the concentration area in the city of Goris.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:35 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Pacense wrote:From an Armenian point of view, it should had felt really strange that your biggest ally (even protector) was selling arms for years to your biggest enemy.

    Just saying...

    And I guess it explains a bit of Armenian resittiment towards Russia right now.

    What we should be all be asking is what will happen 5 years from now. That is the big question mark. No matter what I think life of the people who stayed in Artsakh will be harsh.

    Has Armenia bought Russia or something? I don't know why people apply 8 year old logic to relations between countries. Sovereign states can deal with whoever they want and have any number of allies they want. If Armenia thinks they can handle Russia on a leash like a dog and thinks bad of them because they are also an ally of Azerbaijan, then they really don't deserve anything better than being steam-rolled by the Turks. I tell you, the limitrophes are in for a very rude awakening.

    Only it is Russia who is playing with the leash.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:48 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Russia litterally annexed Crimea and backed people in Donbass for far less than this you trash.

    Why may Russia have intervened there? maybe for being native Russian lands populated by Russians? For being given illegally to Ukraine by one Ukrainian that was a scumbag? For Ukraine having left the USSR without returning the Russian lands they gained with their accession? What was an annexation was what Ukraine made with Sevastopol, against the will of its inhabitants and completely outside of the law, what Russia did via referendum is contemplated in the UN charter and is not called annexation. Jesus, now Russia needs to excuse themselves for not rescuing every idiot from themselves and every kitten on a tree. Let them grow some balls and some spine, then maybe Russia, if they want and when they want, may think of helping them. Russia has won influence and seen the situation evolve towards a more sustainable status without firing a shot, without breaking international law and without offending their allies. Game, set and match for Russia, losers can go whine somewhere else.

    This is utterly incompatible with what Russia itself allowed from 1991 to 1997. It is pure non-sense.

    Game, set & match you say...funny it is only for 5 years and now Ith Russians in the firing line.
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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:35 pm

    This is utterly incompatible with what Russia itself allowed from 1991 to 1997. It is pure non-sense.

    Game, set & match you say...funny it is only for 5 years and now Ith Russians in the firing line.

    Armenia is a country. It's not part of Russia. They have an agreement of defence but NK isn't Armenia. Armenia buys Russian stuff even if they have voted for a pro west gov. That's their right to vote for anyone they want and tgey deal with them, not Russia.

    Everyone respected the agreements here. Even azeri didn't attack Armenia.

    The peace deal is a win-win-win situation. Azeri took some parts of NK which is their land to start with. Russia sent its forces to secure its south flank. And Armenia keeps a part of NK and doesn't loose (because how things where going they were avout to loose all NK).

    Once they calm down in 3 or 5 years they will have to sign a deal about NK (probably everyone keeps what it has) and Russians will stay there more.

    Russia can't secure its positions for the next 200 years. 5-10 years is good.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:16 pm


    https://twitter.com/NeilPHauer/status/1328085196118368257

    Pashinyan makes a cryptic Facebook post, implying that Armenian soldiers at the front should come to Yerevan and deal with opposition-led protests. Very dangerous, reckless rhetoric.

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    And this is nowhere near the dumbest thing Armenians seem to be doing but I won't post anything yet until there's some more solid info No


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:04 pm

    Now it's clear why Western allied Georgia welcomed Russian peacekeepers: it's stretching Russia thin, as per RAND report.
    Sandu is the winner in Moldova: https://lenta.ru/news/2020/11/16/s/

    Supplying & rotating forces in a landlocked country not bordering on Russia will cost her a lot of $. Soon, different factions there may try to use their presence against each other, like what those in Afghanistan & Iraq did with the Americans.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:24 pm

    How is it stretching Russia thin?

    2,000 soldiers in Karabakh is a small, small fraction of the Russian armed forces. And even then, it's part of the southern military district.  Ukraine, Moldova, etc fall under the western military district.

    Jesus Christ, your sources are big time shit.

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    Post  par far Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:49 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:How is it stretching Russia thin?

    2,000 soldiers in Karabakh is a small, small fraction of the Russian armed forces. And even then, it's part of the southern military district.  Ukraine, Moldova, etc fall under the western military district.

    Jesus Christ, your sources are big time shit.


    NATO/US assholes are just upset that Russia did not fall for their trap.

    What happens with Pussy now? There is no way that he stays in charge, there was a alleged attempt on his life and the intelligence agency saved him(don't know how true this.)

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:40 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Now it's clear why Western allied Georgia welcomed Russian peacekeepers: it's stretching Russia thin, as per RAND report.
    Sandu is the winner in Moldova: https://lenta.ru/news/2020/11/16/s/

    Supplying & rotating forces in a landlocked country not bordering on Russia will cost her a lot of $. Soon, different factions there may try to use their presence against each other, like what those in Afghanistan & Iraq did with the Americans.

    Can they bring them in by ship in the Caspian. via Az?
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:20 am

    Through Iran then Armenia.
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    Post  Maximmmm Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:20 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Now it's clear why Western allied Georgia welcomed Russian peacekeepers: it's stretching Russia thin, as per RAND report.
    Sandu is the winner in Moldova: https://lenta.ru/news/2020/11/16/s/

    Supplying & rotating forces in a landlocked country not bordering on Russia will cost her a lot of $. Soon, different factions there may try to use their presence against each other, like what those in Afghanistan & Iraq did with the Americans.

    I mean we've supported 1500 troops in Prindestrovie throughout the lean years with 0 countries to transit stuff through. With armenia we can sneak stuff through Iran as we've been doing, so that's hardly that bad.
    Also, 2k men, a few btr-82a's, some trucks, and a handful of old Mi-24's and Mi-8's in direct vicinity to already functioning bases in Armenia is hardly expensive.
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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:27 am

    Iran borders NK directly...

    Azeri signed the deal. If they want russians there they will allow them to go through Azerbaijan.

    If Armenian doesn't want Russia there, russians will go and let azeri blow them up again. Because they seem to be blind and don't want to admit they got totally lost the war. Then they will beg russian to come again but Russia will take even more and make them pay $.

    If both country use russians as a cover there, they will endanger russian soldiers giving the right to Russia to destroy them both in couple of days and take both countries.

    Russian sukhois are 5 min away from both country. They should remember that.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:00 am

    Isos wrote:Iran borders NK directly...

    Azeri signed the deal. If they want russians there they will allow them to go through Azerbaijan.

    If Armenian doesn't want Russia there, russians will go and let azeri blow them up again. Because they seem to be blind and don't want to admit they got totally lost the war. Then they will beg russian to come again but Russia will take even more and make them pay $.

    If both country use russians as a cover there, they will endanger russian soldiers giving the right to Russia to destroy them both in couple of days and take both countries.

    Russian sukhois are 5 min away from both country. They should remember that.

    Baku is a nice city and a strategic location for the Caspian sea. If the two countries mess up with Russia, Azerbaijan will lose baku and all the land north of it, and northern navgorno kharabak will be all that remains of Armenia.
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    Post  franco Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:12 am

    Isos wrote:Iran borders NK directly...

    Azeri signed the deal. If they want russians there they will allow them to go through Azerbaijan.

    If Armenian doesn't want Russia there, russians will go and let azeri blow them up again. Because they seem to be blind and don't want to admit they got totally lost the war. Then they will beg russian to come again but Russia will take even more and make them pay $.

    If both country use russians as a cover there, they will endanger russian soldiers giving the right to Russia to destroy them both in couple of days and take both countries.

    Russian sukhois are 5 min away from both country. They should remember that.

    Iran borders NK directly...

    Not anymore. Azerbaijan has control of that territory now.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:24 am

    Armenian Foreign Minister resigns
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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:37 am

    Anyway Azerbaijan will come back in Russian sphere of influence wheb turks start taking money from azeri gas and oil production because, you know, they are brother country...

    NK will be the last of their problem very soon.
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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:49 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Armenian Foreign Minister resigns

    The intrigue is that in Armenia itself, no one really knows where Pashinyan is and makes decisions.

    All decisions are being made in the oversized occupational US embassy. Just like in Iraq.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:42 pm

    The mission in NK is only 1 part of stretching Russia thin. Combined with Kaliningrad, Belarus, E/S Ukraine, Moldova, the Arctic/ NSR, Central Asia, & the Kurils, the strain is going to be considerable. And then there r conflicts/bases in Syria, Libya, Sudan, Cuba, & Venezuela.


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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:53 pm

    Russia can afford thousands of such missions. America is going to have to print more of its funny money
    but the problem is that eventually those fiat chickens are going home to roost. Then America will experience
    the biggest financial implosion in history. And this day is not so far off. Americans are operating like crack
    addicts and there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.


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