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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:31 am

    If Russia is disconnected from swift, it will then automatically switch to their own that was tested multiple times. But right now Russia should be active in getting more foreign banks involved in it.

    Also, Russia should let Germany be the one to cancel Nord stream 2. As it will give Russia a chance to take Germany to court over it. In that case, Germany will have to make public their evidence of the "poisoning" of Masha 2% and this can expose Germany's lies. In either case, Russia can win out in long run.

    And I agree with Garry. Just move it to Kaliningrad and then create LNG plant because eventually Germany will be crying for cheap gas.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:33 am

    Just hold on a second all you NS2 naysayers

    https://www.dailysabah.com/business/energy/germany-determined-to-complete-nord-stream-2-pipeline-despite-us-pressure-merkel-says

    Germany determined to complete Nord Stream 2 pipeline despite US pressure, Merkel says

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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:02 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:Just hold on a second all you NS2 naysayers

    https://www.dailysabah.com/business/energy/germany-determined-to-complete-nord-stream-2-pipeline-despite-us-pressure-merkel-says

    Germany determined to complete Nord Stream 2 pipeline despite US pressure, Merkel says


    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/merkel-pressed-sabotage-critical-russian-gas-pipeline-retaliation-navalny-poisoning

    We will have to wait and see. Merkel should have quashed the pathetic frame job. Since she pulled a UK on Russia, she cannot be trusted.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:11 pm

    Regarding SWIFT, NATzO cut off that avenue as an effective bludgeon since it cut off Russian banks from borrowing from western banks already. So
    cutting off SWIFT does precisely fuck all to impact Russia's financial system. Large transactions with India, China and the rest of the world will be arranged
    regardless of the status of SWIFT.

    The only real tool the yanquis have is sanctions on Russia's trading partners. I am sure that this will be their main thrust from now on. Every country
    that dares trade with "pariah" Russia will be terrorized and blackmailed. But Russia does not depend on exports and imports, so these sanctions
    will hurt those countries. Task master America will not last long as a global empire.

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    Post  calripson on Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:09 pm

    Did they obtain blood and tissue samples from Navalny before he left for Germany? If not, they are complete idiots. Very simple process to quash this story assuming Navalny was not poisoned. (He very well could have self-administered or been given a non-lethal dose). Provide a random blood/tissue sample of 20 donors including Navalny. Invite any foreign experts to bring their equipment to Russia and under complete surveillance test the anonymous 20 samples for evidence of Novichok poisoning. After the test, provide Navalny samples to match through DNA sequencing with his tissue.

    Now if he was poisoned at a non-lethal dose, that is a criminal act and he should never have been allowed out of Russia (clearly was not a medical requirement as he would have survived under Russian medical care).
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:41 pm

    they said they do have multiple of his blood samples.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:26 pm

    Why was he allowed to go to Germany anyway?
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:13 pm

    Operation Beluga

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tW6iza1x8&feature=emb_title

    Why was he allowed to go to Germany anyway?

    The West can make this shit up without any evidence, it is not necessary that Navalny is in Germany for that (now they are saying Russian doctors admitted the presence of a highly toxic component in his blood and then retracted) and it would have looked much more suspicious if he was prohibited from going abroad. This also means Russia is ready for any escalation the West may feel tempted to pursue.

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    Luka to the rescue:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=52&v=agahhZs3LVg&feature=emb_title

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:19 pm

    I just read how union state is growing. I guess this is a hint at that!

    Thanks Luka!
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    Post  kvs on Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:08 pm

    A post over on zerohedge reminded me of how Bandera was offed by the KGB in Vienna after WWII. No cause of death other than heart attack could
    be established. But everyone is supposed to believe that modern Russia:

    1) cannot get a guaranteed kill even if a gun could be used

    2) needs to use some cheesy propaganda "nerve agent" that does not cause nerve damage and fails to kill outright.

    The IQ of the average NATzO fake stream media consumer sheep is exceptionally low, especially in the USA.

    As we see today in the west, this fake stream media is enabling a woke-tard take over. So all this anti-Russian shit
    spew eventually comes back to bite NATzO in the ass.



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    Post  Hole on Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:07 pm

    If VVP really wanted this guy dead he could have arranged that only Na-wallet-ny and his entourage would have been on the plane and then... Shocked a minor plane accident in Siberia with a handful of dead people.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:15 pm

    The chief toxicologist who cared for Alexey Navalny in Siberia isn't buying German claims he was poisoned with Novichok. Alexander Sabaev says if it were true, people accompanying him should also have suffered from the fallout (and they seem to be fine)

    Omsk doctor who treated Navalny says if opposition figure was poisoned with Novichok, those around him must also be affected

    https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1301625262338011137
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:37 pm

    Is it Novichok? Novocaine? Cocaine or Nose Chalk? Wink lol1 pwnd

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    Post  Azi on Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:14 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    The chief toxicologist who cared for Alexey Navalny in Siberia isn't buying German claims he was poisoned with Novichok. Alexander Sabaev says if it were true, people accompanying him should also have suffered from the fallout (and they seem to be fine)

    Omsk doctor who treated Navalny says if opposition figure was poisoned with Novichok, those around him must also be affected

    https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1301625262338011137
    100 % TRUE!

    Novichok used as poison as far as we know is an oil, smeared on a surface it can act as a contact poison. A poisoning with Novichok of Navalny without harming others in his company is IMPOSSIBLE! If someone would touch his contaminated clothing he would suffer less symptoms, but he would suffer some. I know instant 10 substances that are far more deadly, only as a contact poison (I'm a chemist with masters degree!). If Navalny was poisoned via the oral way Novichok wouldn't make much sense and other agents would be better, because in a hot tea or coffee Novichok can decompose over a longer period (hydrolysis). Oral poisoning with Novichok is still possible, but makes not much sense.

    Russian hospital and lab by the way can't lie, because they need the reference sample/data for Novichok to detect Novichok! Only a military lab with information about the agent can detect Novichok. So the western fake news media saying that russian medical stuff is lying is pure fake news, they simply CAN'T detect Novichok and media knows this. Same way Charite in Berlin COULDN'T detect Novichok! I'm half german and I really doubt that the Bundeswehr lab found anything!!! It's a lab under control of more or less Uncle Sam and his agencies.

    My suspicions are that Navalny poisoned himself with an agent that decompose very quick in the body, with a nonlethal dosis. Or some of his really big and best buddies flying in his jet, fighthing against Putin, poisned him with help of Uncle Sam. Last one seems very realistic to me!!!!

    By the way...I heard some weird stories that Navalny isn't in the intensive care unit of Charite in Berlin anymore. There are no guards in the section of the hospital anymore. Maybe he is in a spacial part of the building or he was moved in a special clinic. Maybe he feels good now and laughs his ass off. Charite is not really responding to questions, they say he is still in intesive care. Maybe maybe he will disappear like the Skripals Wink Protected by "friends" ;D with such "friends" you don't need a foe.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:37 pm

    No rational Russian, as opposed to 5th column liberasts, is going to pine for Navalny if he gets disappeared like the Skripals. Good riddance to bad garbage.

    But I suspect that it was the intention of Navalny's NATzO handlers to remove him from the scene. He is a has-been with a quickly expiring shelf life.
    Creating a big stink about his fraudulent poisoning gets that last bit of juice out of the turd, and then some other clown will be anointed as "the" opposition
    leader in Russia.

    It is hard to tell, but I am guessing it will be some emo-commie. The liberasts have discredited themselves so badly that they are useless as a Trojan
    horse to infiltrate the Russian government through elections. Recently, we have had fake commies coming out of the woodwork who supposedly
    really, really care about Russians as opposed to the liberoids who sneered at Russians as chattle (and expected to get their vote). The emo-commies
    are a more sober attempt to hoodwink Russians with promises of easy life via magical socialism. As if the same problems that were there in the 1980s
    will never come back. The only thing that matter is how the system is implemented in practice and not its theoretical advantages. Right now, Russia
    has adapted a species of its own capitalism with heavy state control of strategic sectors. People are being paid and can afford to buy the bounty in
    Russian shops even in the middle of nowhere. They had to stand in line for empty shops in the 1980s while goods were being dumped into the forest
    and trainloads of produce were left to rot at marshalling yards. Reality is often quite different from expectations.

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    Post  LMFS on Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:51 pm

    kvs wrote:But I suspect that it was the intention of Navalny's NATzO handlers to remove him from the scene.   He is a has-been with a quickly expiring shelf life.
    Creating a big stink about his fraudulent poisoning gets that last bit of juice out of the turd, and then some other clown will be anointed as "the" opposition
    leader in Russia.

    Exactly! Little after the approval of the constitutional amendments, Navalny announced he was dissolving his platform. Certainly it must have gotten more difficult to finance him since then, so it was time for US to get a refund for their past investments in the cocaine & playstation activist. This may actually have happened quite similarly with Skripal, which was rumoured to want to return to Russia with inside info about the Steele dossier and for which MI6 found a much better use...

    It is hard to tell, but I am guessing it will be some emo-commie.    The liberasts have discredited themselves so badly that they are useless as a Trojan
    horse to infiltrate the Russian government through elections.    Recently, we have had fake commies coming out of the woodwork who supposedly
    really, really care about Russians as opposed to the liberoids who sneered at Russians as chattle (and expected to get their vote).    The emo-commies
    are a more sober attempt to hoodwink Russians with promises of easy life via magical socialism.

    Hahaha you are right, "all-is-lost-ism" is strong among emo-marxists, this narrative still seems to have some traction among certain people as we see. Putin is a puppet of the oligarchs, a crypto-zionist, a creation of British intelligence spelling disaster for the country and needs to be removed from power at all costs. The pro-Western line has not so much future in Russia, so this freakish paranoia is a much better alternative Laughing
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    Post  Aristide on Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:13 am

    A few things here...

    Of course the german Bundeswehr can detect Novischok, Austria, Germany, UK and France have samples of this poison.

    I guess the assassination attempt simply failed and i also doubt that the Kremlin was involved. Evry country has a deep state. Its even possible that it was done by Poland or other enemies of Nordstream II.

    Merkels reaction shows this very clearly. On one side the condemns the poisoning (which simply is a fact), on the other side she says NS II has nothing to do with it.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:34 pm

    There are some interesting strategic implications here if Nordstream2 is halted or the US ups the sanctions. Either would be the result of US actions aimed at hurting Russia..

    In neither case would the US suffer any economic hit as the current trade between US/Russia is unlikely to be affected as it hasn't been to date.

    The effects will all fall on Europe. Many companies will lose work on the completion of the pipeline. Anyone expecting a big increase in the supply of gas at a good price will be very disappointed, or, put another way, very pissed off. If Germany is seen to be involved in the decision it will cause friction in Europe. It is also likely to increase the split between the US and Europe.

    Meanwhile in Moscow, where they are aware that the extra capacity will not be needed for a while due to the downturn, they just shake their heads in disbelief and dust off their plans to attract more German firms into Russian production where energy is freely available.

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/us-sanctions-for-navalny-disaster-or-a-great-opportunity/
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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:30 am

    Russia really needs to stop sucking up to EU-tards. Let them enjoy Uncle Swine-shit's shaft in their rear. All that Putin achieves with his over-exertion to complete NS2 is to make Russia
    look weak. Russia can invoke force majeur on all its gas contracts simply on the basis that the Krauts never conducted a real investigation and proved that it was Putin who gave novichoke
    to Navalny. Even if EU-tards can measure some compound in trace quantities in Navalny's body, that does not establish any guilt by any party. Pathetic attempts to make the poison a
    "signature agent" are ludicrous. If some underground chemist can cook up Sarin (and all sorts of synthetic drugs) they can cook up novichoke. These NATzO c*nts have not even established
    a motive. If being a Putin critic was enough then literally a million or more Russian citizens would be all at risk of being offed. Instead of seeing what we see in all sorts of events over the last
    100+ years where repression involved the murder of thousands of activists and mass internment, we are supposed to believe that "Putin's tyranny" lets all sorts of NATzO 5th column agitators
    run around doing as they please and only bothers to attempt assassinations when they are fading into obscurity? No amount of calling Navalny the "main Russian opposition figure" will make
    it so. It is cheap hate propaganda which proves that the perps with motive and opportunity to poison Navalny and get propaganda scores out of it are agents of NATzO.

    Here is a little fact you will never hear from the NATzO fake stream media. Russia is conducting a detailed investigation of this frame job and has managed to get evidence from almost all of
    the people who were in contact with Navalny on the day in question and before. But two women who were interacting with Navalny escaped to NATzO right after the alleged poisoning. These
    females are clearly NATzO agents involved in the poisoning. They are not some random people, their actions of escaping the scene of the crime as soon as possible even before most people
    realized what happened proves their participation. Naturally, Russian investigators will never get to ask these two females any questions and NATzO will deny they exist or come up with any
    number of other BS excuses.

    Merkel should be taught a harsh lesson for engaging in blood libel against Russia. The Krauts are still apologizing to Jews for the Holocaust, but they spit on Russians who lost 18 million civilians
    to the Nazi invaders who murdered 3.3 million Soviet POWs which includes their use as slave labour to build Auschwitz and to go first to the ovens.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:54 am

    I still stand by my comment that many regions of Russia still hurt in high energy prices due to lack of cheap sources.

    NatGas can be that cheap source. Which in turn will spur development when the areas are in need of cheap energy.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:50 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I still stand by my comment that many regions of Russia still hurt in high energy prices due to lack of cheap sources.

    NatGas can be that cheap source. Which in turn will spur development when the areas are in need of cheap energy.

    Russia is still diseased with the BS notion that they need to sell resources to the west to get "hard" currency. The 1980s are long over and
    Russia does not need to sell anything to the west and also can do without buying anything from it.

    Persisting with NS2 completion is simply embarrassing right now. EU-tards need a hard smack down and not pandering.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:25 pm

    There are some interesting strategic implications here if Nordstream2 is halted or the US ups the sanctions. Either would be the result of US actions aimed at hurting Russia..

    In neither case would the US suffer any economic hit as the current trade between US/Russia is unlikely to be affected as it hasn't been to date.

    Well there is the other case where Russia might realise the US is never going to stop and that real return actions need to be made... perhaps drastic stuff, like  no more rocket motors for a country that competes with us (compensated by using more of them ourselves of course), or even a nice big tariff on titanium sales to the US, and perhaps even a large tariff on LNG sales to the US as well so they don't feel Russia is trying to control them with cheap gas supplies. Tariffs on raw materials exports to encourage local use and value added export sales. The money could be invested in all sorts of things that could be useful...

    I think letting Germany break the deal with NSII is the best option and when they do redesign the pipeline to deliver gas directly to Kaliningrad... add power cables and data connections to the pipe to make it a more useful connection to a part of Russia that can no longer be reached reliably by land.

    Replacing critical US products and technologies so they can not only be independent of the US but also be able to then sell to the rest of the world in direct competition to the US as well.

    Ultimately Europe paying more for energy is good for Russia... embrace it...  the US doesn't have enough gas for domestic use let alone enough to support Europe.

    Regarding the subject of the thread, if the Germans cannot give the so called evidence they have to Russia then Russia has nothing to investigate... pretty damn simple. And the same applies to the Skripals too, if the British refuse to hand over evidence then there is nothing to explain or investigate... it is clearly just political bullshit.

    Any sanctions imposed by the EU regarding this so called incident should be replied to magnified because without evidence their sanctions are unfounded, whereas responding Russian sanctions will be based justifiably on sanctions imposed on them without and justification.

    I am sure Russia has a list of things they can always hit back with, so this time choose multiple entries for each sanction because it makes sense to do so.... and keep up that list because no doubt you are going to need it quite a bit this year for helping Trump get reelected, and when it is proven that Russia created Covid 19 because their Vaccine is the only one that works and for no other reason they are prepared to talk about in public...
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    Post  Hole on Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:37 pm

    The deal was made between russian and western companies. Russia is just keeping his word and shows to the world that the country is a reliable trading partner. If the west breaks this deal by inventing things and creating new realities it shoots itself in the foot (again).
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    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:41 pm

    Hole wrote:The deal was made between russian and western companies. Russia is just keeping his word and shows to the world that the country is a reliable trading partner. If the west breaks this deal by inventing things and creating new realities it shoots itself in the foot (again).

    Nobody on the planet cares about appearing to be honest. Nobody will remember Russia's "goodness". So it makes no sense to sacrifice anything to
    look good. The only language humans understand and respect is force. Russia needs to punish EU-tardia. Diverting the gas flow to China and LNG
    terminals would be an excellent start. Also, Russia needs to never sell its LNG for spot market low prices. Put up a price tag and let the clowns
    take it or leave it. Qatar can't satisfy all of the EU-tard's gas needs.

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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:49 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:The deal was made between russian and western companies. Russia is just keeping his word and shows to the world that the country is a reliable trading partner. If the west breaks this deal by inventing things and creating new realities it shoots itself in the foot (again).

    Nobody on the planet cares about appearing to be honest.   Nobody will remember Russia's "goodness".   So it makes no sense to sacrifice anything to
    look good.  The only language humans understand and respect is force.   Russia needs to punish EU-tardia.   Diverting the gas flow to China and LNG
    terminals would be an excellent start.   Also, Russia needs to never sell its LNG for spot market low prices.   Put up a price tag and let the clowns
    take it or leave it.   Qatar can't satisfy all of the EU-tard's gas needs.  


    Russia should partner up with China in a sanction war so the sanctions actually hurt. I know China isn't really on this road but they are certainly on the receiving end of getting shit so they should also be interest in sanctions against EU.

    Russias sanctions on Germany hurt but not enough for the stupid sheepes to realize that they hurt, so China should do it and just embargo everything for a year, it will hurt them, but in Europe you will have empty shelfs in any electronic store and prizes would sky rocket. With our consumerism retards would go nuts and start looting like some black guy was shot in the US streets.

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