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    Post  ahmedfire on Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:45 am


    Today Egypt's parliament greenlighted a possible deployment of troops outside its borders. attack

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    Post  Isos on Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:16 am

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Today Egypt's parliament  greenlighted a possible deployment of troops outside its borders. attack


    Not needed. They can achieve the work with few bombers. Destroy the turkish assets and GNA will give up pretty fast.

    They could have done that since few month ago with their migs pretending it is LNA's migs.

    Ground operation will make the war deadly for nothing.

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    Post  Gomig-21 on Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:40 am

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Today Egypt's parliament  greenlighted a possible deployment of troops outside its borders. attack


    I hope this is just sending a message and Sisi is really not thinking of sending our troops in there.

    Apparently there are strong rumors that the Charles De Gaulle is about 80 kilometres north of Sirte packed with French Naval Rafales and tagging along with it are a couple of French destroyers and corvettes. Maybe they have something planned also?

    Keep our troops out of there for as long as possible. Send in the Wing Loongs and soften a lot of the targets and run recon while collecting surveillance and intel at the same time. Then send in the F-16s since those guys have the most experience out of all the fighter pilots. Then let the LNA move in with their armor and mobile AD and keep our troops out of there.

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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:46 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:
    Today Egypt's parliament  greenlighted a possible deployment of troops outside its borders. attack

    Apparently there are strong rumors that the Charles De Gaulle is about 80 kilometres north of Sirte packed with French Naval Rafales and tagging along with it are a couple of French destroyers and corvettes.  Maybe they have something planned also?

    The Turks put a NATO Navy's nose out of joint. Mon Dieu!

    That will not happen again when the French go to stop the next Turkish cargo ship. All re-supply now by air or Turkish Navy ships.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:25 am

    Egypt is ready to invade the west
    https://vz.ru/world/2020/7/21/1050953.print.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:47 am

    Joseph Dempsey
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    I say "finally" because @Maxar imagery has consistently shown at least four Su-24 at Al Khadim since mid-May 2020 albeit always partial visible under aircraft shelters.

    The @USAfricaCommand image shows two in open and two under shelters

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    Wagner mercenaries southwest of Sirte https://google.com/maps?ll=31.084

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:26 am

    Here's Africom's latest press release
    https://www.africom.mil/pressrelease/33034/russia-and-the-wagner-group-continue-to-be-in
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:49 am

    How do they know it's wagner ?? spotted their passports ?

    It' ridiculous that US is not mentioning thousands of terrorists being transported from Syria .

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:04 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:How do they know it's wagner ?? spotted their passports ?

    It' ridiculous that US is not mentioning thousands of terrorists being transported from Syria .

    They want to highlight Russia's role. It's not in their interest to talk about the Syrian jihadis although every one knows they're there
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:29 pm

    So the reds under the bed are Wagner...

    Perhaps we should start referring to all terrorist groups in the ME region as white helmets...

    Good advertisements for the company... where can I buy some shares?
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:52 pm

    Bear in mind that the US knows the content of virtually everything it wants to of the data that is transmitted over the Internet. Unless it is very carefully encrypted and even that can be a useful pointer.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:58 am

    TOR might have been deployed at Al-Jufrah airbase, one of the main bases of Wagner. But some are suggeting they might be Egyptian
    https://twitter.com/Oded121351/status/1287019300281352192
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:45 am

    JohninMK wrote:Bear in mind that the US knows the content of virtually everything it wants to of the data that is transmitted over the Internet. Unless it is very carefully encrypted and even that can be a useful pointer.

    No they don't. You will be surprised how much passes through that the US authorities know f all about. Actually, even if one agency knows, the chances of its information actually being shared and investigated within my lifetime is slim. US is grossly inefficient
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    Post  crod on Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:23 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Bear in mind that the US knows the content of virtually everything it wants to of the data that is transmitted over the Internet. Unless it is very carefully encrypted and even that can be a useful pointer.

    bear in mind what exactly??? you have absolutely no way of quantifying that statement....none.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:20 pm

    Looks like the Turks have beefed up the defences at Al-Watiya airbase considerably if this is correct.
    Apparently in preparation for bringing in F-16's

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    Arrow https://twitter.com/babbuezzu/status/1287134056761753600
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:44 pm

    Mig-29 spotted above Sirte.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:47 pm

    US is grossly inefficient

    The US is a steel box... nothing happens that they don't know about... and when you know your postcards are being read by the postman there are lots of ways to communicate secretly with stuff you don't want to be general knowledge.

    Data hiding is often better than data encryption... the planned attack on Saudi oil fields didn't rely on speed or numbers... it relied on following paths that were not being watched.

    Look at all the illegal drugs that get into Europe and the US every day... and monitoring every ones communications only matters if you know what to look for...

    The claim to get funding and to prevent programmes being cut is that they are dealing with drugs and kiddy fiddlers and terrorists, but I rather suspect they spend more time looking through economic information for advantage in contract negotiations as one example.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:30 am



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    #LNA airstrike west of Sirte on #GNA terrorists gatherings resulting in the destruction of 3 Tanks and several armored vehicles.

    Mig-29 spotted above Sirte.

    Yes i saw the video , interesting, the GNA can't advance against the current LNA airforce .

    Regarding the Turkish attempts to establish a F-16 base in Alwatyah , even if they did that it will not make a game change role against EAF .At the end the base is a small area with 20 or 30 F-16 , it could be destroyed with one heavy attack .

    Superpowers only can protect their bases outside their lands .Technically Turkey can strike the Russian base in Syria but they wouldn't do that because Kaliber would fly over Erdogan's palace ,because it's a base that belongs to a superpower but Turkey is acting like a superpower without being a real one.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:07 am

    Does Egypt operate some ballistic missiles that they could give to LNA and use against that base ?

    To prevent Turkish sending f16 they can wait that they send the f16 and when they are almost there destroy the runways. Pilots would have to eject and f-16 would be destroyed.

    Anyone has a updated map of the area ? They could even use some long range MRLS.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:55 am

    Isos wrote:Does Egypt operate some ballistic missiles that they could give to LNA and use against that base ?

    To prevent Turkish sending f16 they can wait that they send the f16 and when they are almost there destroy the runways. Pilots would have to eject and f-16 would be destroyed.

    Anyone has a updated map of the area ? They could even use some long range MRLS.

    Egypt has cooperated with North korea, Argentina and Iraq to build BM . North Korean missile technology traces its origins to Soviet Scuds, which apparently entered the country via Egypt in the 1970s then NK has built it's own Hwasong-5,6 , Nodong,etc..

    Egypt had bought 50 Nodong missiles from North Korea. The Egyptian government denied the purchase, but Egypt has always denied its dealings with North Korea.U.S. intelligence sources confirmed the deal, saying it involved the transfer of technology to produce the Nodong

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/jul/23/20020723-034656-1751r/?feat=article_related_stories

    Relatively little is known about Egypt's ballistic missile programme. Yet, as one of the first developing countries to pursue a serious interest in such weapons, Egypt possesses the oldest functioning ballistic missile test and launch facility in the developing world.
    First established in the late 1950s, the facility is located near Jabal Hamzah, approximately 62 km west-northwest of Cairo. Satellite imagery from several commercial sources gathered from between 2001 and 2009 has shed light on activities at the site, which is also known as Gebel Hamza, Jabal Hamzi, or Gebal Hamzi.
    Imagery obtained by DigitalGlobe and GeoEye indicates that the original site has not only been expanded and upgraded over the past decade, but that significant construction has taken place on a new adjoining facility since 2007, including a new missile launch pad and horizontal processing building.
    Most components of the north site Jabal Hamzah have existed for 40 years, but a new rocket component processing facility and a nearby bunkered compound have been built in the mid-2000s.
    http://www.intelligencequarterly.com/2010/02/reports-have-egypt-upgrading-ballistic-missile-facility/

    Today, on the African continent, only Egypt is considered as having operational ballistic missiles capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction. Egypt, which is not a party to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is only a signatory to the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, is unlikely to renounce its ballistic missiles in the foreseeable future.
    https://www.defenceweb.co.za/joint/diplomacy-a-peace/iss-africa-must-pull-its-weight-in-stopping-ballistic-missile-proliferation/?catid=56%3Adiplomacy-a-peace&Itemid=111


    So it's believed that Egypt has it's own missiles


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    Post  Cyberspec on Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:19 am

    Has this airstrike been confirmed?...Pro Turkish/GNA accounts are denied it (not really surprising)

    Also, video of Wagner PMC flying out of Benghazi

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    Post  kvs on Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:19 am

    GarryB wrote:So the reds under the bed are Wagner...

    Perhaps we should start referring to all terrorist groups in the ME region as white helmets...

    Good advertisements for the company... where can I buy some shares?

    Funny how the US uses mercenaries for decades and that's fine. But my God the hue and cry over alleged Russian mercenaries.
    The brains of western elites are fully rotten.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:03 pm

    Wagner isn't alleged for the record, can deny it all you want doesn't make it any less true.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:46 pm

    The difference is that the US military hired them to do dirty shit they didn't want to get caught doing themselves, and of course they will claim the very same for Wagner... but when Putin does it it is a war crime and he must be held accountable... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:The difference is that the US military hired them to do dirty shit they didn't want to get caught doing themselves, and of course they will claim the very same for Wagner... but when Putin does it it is a war crime and he must be held accountable...   Rolling Eyes

    You'll notice my comment never said the US doesn't use mercs to do dirty work.

    You'll notice I never said Wagner is a war crime or I remotely care Putin is using Wagner to do shit. All majors powers use mercs for their goals its the 21st century welcome to common practice. China, US, Russia, EU all do it.

    You'll notice I simply said Wagner ARE Russians Mercs and they ARE that is a FACT.

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