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    US (& Allies) Hypersonic developments and missiles

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:14 am

    I am beginning to think that the supposed hypersonic missile tests of the 1960s and 1970s (not sure) were never converted
    into any persistent know-how. They probably do not even have the ability to render the old blueprints into functional prototypes
    and have to scramble to reboot the whole development process. Of course this necessitates inane excuses about why their
    tests are failing.

    You can bet your last yanqui centavo that they are trying to steal everything they can from Russia. Thus Bolton's inane bloviating
    about Russia stealing precious (and non-existent) US tech. Russia should re-introduce the death penalty for military tech espionage
    treason.





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    Post  lancelot Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:28 am

    Whoever did the tests in the 1960s and 1970s is either long dead or retired for real.
    Given that the US never put these weapons into mass production you can also expect their reliability even then to have been quite poor.
    A couple years back Lockheed Martin had engineers go into museums to look at the Apollo capsule to figure out how to make the Orion capsule heat shield.
    They had to reverse engineer the material.
    NASA also paid a company to reverse engineer the Saturn V engines for reference.

    Even when they have the schematics, the schematics omit low level manufacturing details, those were known to the machinists who aren't around anymore. Sometimes the materials are either improperly specified or no longer available as well.
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    Post  Kiko Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:27 am

    Pentagon hypersonic military technology tests failed 3 times in a row

    To date, the United States has more than half a dozen hypersonic weapons systems in development, but none of them have been put into the field.

    In 2017 and 2019, Russia and China, respectively, deployed their first hypersonic capabilities, with other nations, such as North and South Korea, France, Japan, Australia and India, researching the new class of weapons.

    For the third time in a row, Lockheed Martin (giant of the US military branch) failed to launch a new hypersonic missile for the US Air Force. The situation has brought concern and embarrassment to the Pentagon and Congress because it is not expected to meet the deadline to start production of the hypersonic weapons system by September 30.

    The Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRO) is a hypersonic thrust missile that is to be placed aboard the B-52H Stratofortress and B-1 Lancer strategic bombers, and its specifications include an operational range of 1, 600 km and a maximum flight speed of about 6, 860 meters per second (Mach 20).

    A spokesman for the Pentagon's Department of research and engineering told Bloomberg that while its director had "supported the intense efforts of the Air Force to accelerate development," the September 30 deadline was a "very aggressive schedule."

    Congressman Jim Cooper, chairman of the House Strategic Forces Subcommittee, also expressed doubts about the program. "The U.S. has a long way to go to catch up with China. It will take much more than a September 30 press release to regain the leadership we have wasted since the 1970s," he said.

    The lawmaker emphasized that U.S. hypersonic programs in general need more " funding, engineering excellence, and rapid testing to start parity."

    "Even so, I worry that the U.S. doesn't even know how to catch up, mainly because of the repeated failures [that] we've had so far in components that shouldn't be technically challenging," Cooper said.

    The Air Force assured in a statement that" it is still possible "that the initial operational capability will be achieved on time,"provided that future flight tests are completed according to the current plan." Despite the failure of previous tests, the Air Force maintains that the test program "successfully demonstrated several events for the first time."

    The Pentagon froze plans to order the first 12 ARRO missiles in January due to test failures, emphasizing that it "would not grant a production contract without a production readiness review and a full-round test flight [which ensure the system's functionality without incident] successful."

    This is fine

    Meanwhile, Lockheed Martin indicated that nothing was wrong and that development is taking place as planned. "The joint government and Lockheed Martin team closely review all tests to ensure that quality measures remain in place," said company spokeswoman Cristina Vite. The missile " continues to gain significant technical maturity while accomplishing many milestones for the first time," the spokeswoman added.

    The fourth and fifth tests of the ARRO, in which its booster engine will be evaluated, are expected to take place by the end of June, with at least US.1.4 billion (about R 5 5.18 billion) expected to be injected into the project before the "initial operational capacity" is reached (above the previous cost estimates of US 4 480 million or R R 1.78 billion). More tests are expected between July and September of a fully operational missile.

    Along with the ARRO, U.S. defense contractors are involved in the development of at least six other hypersonic systems, including an Army-Navy common hypersonic slip Corps (Chgb), a Navy intermediate conventional rapid attack weapon (CPS), a long-range hypersonic weapon (LRHW) for the Army, the Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon (HCSW), and the concept of a long-range weapon.hypersonic air breathing (HAWC), both for the Air Force, and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) operational Munitions Program.

    The Army made the headlines when it announced it would begin putting the CHGB into the field last year, receiving the first components of its first CHGB system in October, including a battery, operations center, launcher carriers, trucks and trailers. Crucially, however, hypersonic ammunition for the system has not been delivered and is not expected to be produced until fiscal year 2023.

    Russia became the first country in the world to field a Moderna hypersonic weapons system, putting into service the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal air-to-ground aerobalistic missile with nuclear capability in December 2017. The existence of the system was revealed in a presentation by President Vladimir Putin in March 2018.

    China followed suit, making the hypersonic glider vehicle DF-ZF operational in October 2019.
    Russia achieved a breakthrough in its hypersonics program by taking the dust off Soviet – era research in the early 2000s, after the United States unilaterally withdrew from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty-which imposed severe limitations on the creation of ballistic missile defense systems.

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    https://br.sputniknews.com/20220308/testes-de-tecnologia-militar-hipersonica-do-pentagono-falharam-3-vezes-seguidas-21737368.html

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:50 pm

    Another long article, US moves in this area are getting very confusing, so many companies with noses in the trough Laughing


    The United States conducted a secret test of Lockheed Martin’s Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept, or HAWC, missile last month, it has been revealed. The hypersonic missile was launched successfully from a B-52H bomber off the west coast of the U.S., but officials decided to keep the test under wraps, apparently in response to growing tensions with Russia.

    This is the first time that a test of the Lockheed Martin HAWC, successful or otherwise, has been announced but that’s not to say there haven’t been others in the past that remain classified. Also, the missile is not to be confused with a rival HAWC design from Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, for which a successful test launch was announced last September. Here, again, it’s unclear if that was actually the first such test.

    In this latest test, the Lockheed Martin missile was accelerated to high speed by its booster stage before successfully engaging the air-breathing scramjet which propelled it to a speed faster than Mach 5 “for an extended period of time.”


    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/45075/americas-latest-hypersonic-cruise-missile-made-a-secret-test-flight

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:04 pm

    CNN claims that the US conducted secret tests of hypersonic missiles in the last few weeks. Supposedly they did not
    announce the stellar achievement not to inflame tensions with Russia. Yeah, right. I have heard this line of BS before.

    Until I see video, I will not take anything claimed by the US seriously. Unlike Russia, they blow hard.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:15 pm

    kvs wrote:CNN claims that the US conducted secret tests of hypersonic missiles in the last few weeks.   Supposedly they did not
    announce the stellar achievement not to inflame tensions with Russia.   Yeah, right.  I have heard this line of BS before.

    Until I see video, I will not take anything claimed by the US seriously.   Unlike Russia, they blow hard.  

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    Post  Hole Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:34 pm

    The Drive is the source? Then it´s BS.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:37 pm

    Hole wrote:The Drive is the source? Then it´s BS.

    Maybe the actual reason for the article is BS, but it looks a reasonable summary of the various projects they have underway currently which was my main reason for posting.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:15 am

    English is a complex language... so many letters that are silent yet they continue to put them in words which make them difficult to pronounce first time around.

    It was good that "The Drive" chose to not include the silent L at the end of their name because it makes pronounciation more accurate but it does seriously pervert the actual name of the site giving a positive spin on a very negative site...

    Personally I don't follow the Drivel, because they rarely post anything worth reading.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:41 am

    Even if what The Drivel says is accurate then the US basically managed to replicate the X-51 test several years later.
    Nothing like Russia getting Zircon basically operational at like twice the cruise speed and much higher range.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:55 pm

    It gets worse, this is another of their developments

    While Russia launched hypersonic air-to-ground missiles during the invasion of Ukraine and China flew a hypersonic weapon around the world late last year, the US continues to fall behind the hypersonic curve as a new round of delays were announced by the US Air Force (USAF), according to Bloomberg.

    The AGM-183 Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) was expected to be declared "early operational capability" by Sept. 30. However, according to a USAF statement, those timelines have been pushed back to the next fiscal year.

    ARRW, expected to be the Pentagon's first hypersonic weapon, suffered three consecutive failed tests last year. ARRW's latest hurdle was two upcoming ground-based booster motor tests by June 30. But, it appears "due to recent flight test anomalies," the missile test would be shifted out to as late as December with additional tests planned next fiscal year, according to the USAF statement.

    "The ARRW production decision remains event-driven and will occur after operational utility is demonstrated through successful system end-to-end flight tests," the service continued.

    Lockheed-Martin's ability to manufacture and deliver the new weapon appears to be a 2023 story. Western countries have yet to field a hypersonic weapon while the old world order crumbles as a multipolar world emerges, pushing Russia and China closer together.

    Perhaps that's why President Biden is set to unveil a new trilateral security hypersonic pact with the UK and Australia to advance the development of hypersonic weapons.

    On Wednesday, Republican Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama sounded the alarm at the House Armed Services Committee hearing that China has "more troops, ships, and hypersonic missiles than the United States." Republican Rep. Michael Turner of Ohio said the US needs to increase its hypersonic development.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-air-force-delays-hypersonic-missile-program-over-flight-test-anomalies

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:54 pm

    "Flight test anomalies" Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:09 pm

    Hole wrote:"Flight test anomalies" Rolling Eyes

    In regular language: test failure.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:05 pm

    Pics from the latest test emerged:
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:01 am

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:"Flight test anomalies" Rolling Eyes

    In regular language: test failure.


    How can that be? Their HyperBole HyperVomit weapons are powered by President Joe Bidet Freedom Gas, which is stored in his anal bagpipe.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri May 20, 2022 12:03 am

    Latest update from the Drive.

    At least this time they got it to launch from the B-52.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-52-tests-hypersonic-missile-after-three-failed-tries

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    Post  kvs Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:42 pm

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    Another "minor failure". I thought they already "succeeded".

    What a joke.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:33 am

    The most bizarre part of the story is, that even MSM started to leave questionmarks.
    Lots of US-based channels confess that Russia, China, and ... NORTH KOREA already own the technology and fielded it.
    It is getting more and more fun to watch.
    Just combine that with the supa dupa tank they have just rolled out, and it turns out that they really are still in the 80s.
    More Marvel is needed!
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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:43 am

    From Martyanov´s page:

    (Bloomberg) -- A flight test of a hypersonic missile system in Hawaii ended in failure due to a problem that took place after ignition, the Department of Defense said, delivering a fresh blow to a program that has suffered stumbles. ... It didn’t provide further details of what took place in the Wednesday test, but said in a statement sent by email “the Department remains confident that it is on track to field offensive and defensive hypersonic capabilities on target dates beginning in the early 2020s.” “An anomaly occurred following ignition of the test asset,” Pentagon spokesman Navy Lieutenant Commander Tim Gorman said in the statement. “Program officials have initiated a review to determine the cause to inform future tests.” he said. “While the Department was unable to collect data on the entirety of the planned flight profile, the information gathered from this event will provide vital insights.”
    But the funnies part is this. They cannot even hide the fact of being sore losers.


    Russia debuted a hypersonic air-to-ground missile in its attack on Ukraine. Adversaries don’t have to meet the rigorous standards set under the US defense acquisition system or face public scrutiny over delays and failure.


    Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:58 pm

    Another really good and long article, from a US perspective and ignore the comments apart from mine on Ukraine Laughing , from the Drive on two successes in the US quest for weapons in this class. Both ground and air launched missiles are finally making progress.

    The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, says it has completed the first successful demonstration of the Operational Fires program's ground-launched hypersonic missile system capability. The announcement comes right on the heels of the U.S. Air Force disclosing a second consecutive successful test of its Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon, or ARRW, hypersonic missile booster, which took place yesterday.

    A press release from DARPA today explained that the Operational Fires (OpFires) program test was executed at the U.S. Army’s White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. The DARPA release claims that the system met all of its pre-established test objectives. This included the inaugural use of a U.S. Marine Corps 10-wheel Logistics Vehicle System Replacement (LVSR) truck as a medium-range missile launcher, as well as the demonstration of missile canister egress, stable flight capture, and use of U.S. Army inventory artillery fire control systems to initiate the test mission. All of those steps can be seen demonstrated and annotated in the video of the test included below that DARPA released with the announcement.




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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:07 pm

    So they´re able to fit launch canisters to a truck. Wow!

    The demonstrated missile is not even in the same class as Iskander.

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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:09 pm

    The missile was launched from a mobile launcher based on the heavy military truck Oshkosh HEMTT LVSR (10x10) of the US Marine Corps.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:11 am

    04.11.2022
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    The US Navy will receive hypersonic missiles in 2025


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    USS Zumwalt (DDG 1000).
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    The US Navy plans to equip Zumwalt-class destroyers with hypersonic missiles in 2025. This was announced by the director of strategic systems programs, Vice Admiral Johnny Wolf, reports Defense News. LINK; https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2022/11/02/us-navy-touts-hypersonic-missile-progress-ahead-of-2025-fielding/

    He noted that the Navy plans to complete the development of hypersonic missiles together with the army in 2023. According to Wolf, the next step will be the design and development of the integration of the missile with the hull and combat information and control system of the ship.
    In parallel, engineers will work on the physics of launching a missile from under water before deploying hypersonic weapons on Virginia-class submarines in 2029.

    It is noted that the Navy planned to equip the first submarine with hypersonic missiles in 2028. The deadline was changed due to delays in the construction of the Arizona submarine with the Virginia Payload Module (VPM) weapons module.

    In October, the US Department of Defense showed a video of testing components for a hypersonic missile being developed for the US Navy and Army. The rocket was launched from the coast in Virginia.

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    The first submarine armed with hypersonic missiles is planned for 2028 ????
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:54 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:04.11.2022


    The first submarine armed with hypersonic missiles is planned for 2028 ????
     cheers


    No bro, subs can't shoot SM6 Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:03 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:04.11.2022


    The first submarine armed with hypersonic missiles is planned for 2028 ????
     cheers


    No bro, subs can't shoot SM6 Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    It is also obvious that not everything goes according to plan in "paradise"... welcome

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