Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+37
adder
franco
BKP
Aristide
Airbornewolf
Regular
TheArmenian
flamming_python
Karl Haushofer
The Ottoman
Big_Gazza
zorobabel
Azi
par far
ultimatewarrior
ATLASCUB
auslander
Arrow
GarryB
cheesfactory
crod
George1
Rodion_Romanovic
medo
d_taddei2
miketheterrible
magnumcromagnon
Hole
kvs
JohninMK
PapaDragon
Odin of Ossetia
nomadski
Vann7
SeigSoloyvov
Isos
ahmedfire
41 posters

    Syrian War: News #21

    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 9158
    Points : 9220
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  flamming_python Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:10 am

    Pretty stupid escalation, whoever did it - Russia or Syria

    It's not the way things are done, with direct attacks on NATO soldiers.

    Turkish troops should simply have been left to understand, that there is nothing in Idlib left for them to do

    Putin or whoever are far too sure of themselves. Whether this was meant as a de-escalation strike or whatever, it was misjudged, and now will lead to further conflict.
    RIP to the dead
    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 9158
    Points : 9220
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  flamming_python Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:14 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Turkey massacres SAA forces. Where's VKS? They allow the operation of Turkish artillery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bu--OE5MnI&feature=emb_title&has_verified=1

    Assuming this video is real in the way it's being presented to which I cannot say it is or isn't at this time. Since time stamps and other things are blurred.

    But let's assume it is real, Russia legit just let the turks go in and destroy their allies. That would be total weakness on Russia's part.

    One problem is if this is all like yesterday's stuff, the drones would have had to been around for hours upon hours to get the footage.

    Well that's what happens

    Only way to not 'just let' now is to escelate further.
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11342
    Points : 11312
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Isos Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:18 am

    flamming_python wrote:Pretty stupid escalation, whoever did it - Russia or Syria

    It's not the way things are done, with direct attacks on NATO soldiers.

    Turkish troops should simply have been left to understand, that there is nothing in Idlib left for them to do

    Putin or whoever are far too sure of themselves. Whether this was meant as a de-escalation strike or whatever, it was misjudged, and now will lead to further conflict.
    RIP to the dead

    Turks directly fire manpads at sukhoi and use their artillery directly. They probably target zone where spetznaz operates. What did they think would happen ?

    Turkey is a small country. They can't play with a country that is armed with 5000 nuks, has a immune economy to sanctions and produce state of art weapons. If Erdogan keep thinking he is a new sultan of an empire that doesn't exist he will destroy Turkey.

    That's simple to understand. Turkey can't win against Russia.
    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior


    Posts : 798
    Points : 796
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:22 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Article Five only comes into play if you are attacked on home soil etc your boys getting killed in a foreign land doesn't mean shit. Its amazing I have to explain something so grade school.

    Article 5 does not apply if you attack a UN member state from your home soil using long range  munitions. It only applies if you get attacked by an aggressor regardless if the attack is on your home soil or not. NATO was created for peace, not for war. NATO prevented WW3 and the deaths of billions.
    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior


    Posts : 798
    Points : 796
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:26 am

    Isos wrote:Twitter is closed in Turkey. All those video from drones are likely old video. Turkey asked for the permission to fly armed drones there yesterday and russia said no.

    Let them fly. Pantsirs, Buks M2, Pechora 2M easily knock down slow poke prop planes. EU sanctioned Turkey. They can't make any more.
    ahmedfire
    ahmedfire


    Posts : 2198
    Points : 2378
    Join date : 2010-11-11
    Location : The Land Of Pharaohs

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ahmedfire Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:27 am

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Screen38
    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior


    Posts : 798
    Points : 796
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:29 am

    ahmedfire wrote:Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Screen38

    If they dare shoot at Russia jet. Watch out. Those old 1970s Hawks are easy prey for Kh-31P Krypton anti AD missies. Cool
    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14968
    Points : 15107
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  JohninMK Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:31 am

    ahmedfire wrote:

    That site doesn't look new, they look like permanent emplacements.
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11342
    Points : 11312
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Isos Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:34 am

    ultimatewarrior wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Screen38

    If they dare shoot at Russia jet. Watch out. Those old 1970s Hawks are easy prey for Kh-31P Krypton anti AD missies. Cool

    lol1 Static SAM ... only a guy who wants the operators of the system to be killed would deploy that.
    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13335
    Points : 13377
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:34 am

    flamming_python wrote:Pretty stupid escalation, whoever did it - Russia or Syria

    Turkey did it when they decided to play jihad



    flamming_python wrote:It's not the way things are done, with direct attacks on NATO soldiers.

    It's exactly the way things are done, pimp status ends on the border

    Russians do ther job, if only Syrians would do theirs it would be smoother than it is now



    flamming_python wrote:Turkish troops should simply have been left to understand, that there is nothing in Idlib left for them to do

    They were left to understand but failed to do so

    You want to ditch the refugees? Send them to Europe, simple enough...



    flamming_python wrote:Putin or whoever are far too sure of themselves. Whether this was meant as a de-escalation strike or whatever, it was misjudged, and now will lead to further conflict.

    If this is true then they are sure in perfect amount:

    https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1233369634121928705

    #BREAKING: According to a source in 3rd Tactical Fighter Base of #Iran|ian Air Force, #Russia MOD has officially requested his counterpart to use #Hamedan as a refueling point for Su-25 ground attack aircraft & Tu-22M3 heavy bombers which are going to be deployed to #Syria.


    Also, Bora class corvette and Buyan missile ship also departed for Mediterranean from Sevastopol




    flamming_python wrote:RIP to the dead

    F these particular dead

    Grind dicks with jihadists, get the virgin treatment

    Too much love for discount mujahedeen on your end FP






    ahmedfire
    ahmedfire


    Posts : 2198
    Points : 2378
    Join date : 2010-11-11
    Location : The Land Of Pharaohs

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ahmedfire Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:36 am

    If they dare shoot at Russia jet. Watch out. Those old 1970s Hawks are easy prey for Kh-31P Krypton anti AD missies. Cool

    They deployed it in Libyan airport too , today libyan army shelled his rockets over the HAWK radars and destoryed them , putting the AD systems in the range of your enemy rocket launchers and without controlling the sky is a stupid act of war Exclamation
    PapaDragon
    PapaDragon


    Posts : 13335
    Points : 13377
    Join date : 2015-04-26
    Location : Fort Evil, Serbia

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:36 am

    ahmedfire wrote:Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Screen38

    Are those Nikes?


    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14968
    Points : 15107
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  JohninMK Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:37 am

    On top of destroyed tanks

    Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ
    @CalibreObscura
    ·
    3h
    Yet *another* tank- a T-55 captured "in the vicinity" of #Saraqib. This brings us to no less than 11 Tanks captured in a couple of days.
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11342
    Points : 11312
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Isos Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:37 am


    F these particular dead

    Grind dicks with jihadists, get the virgin treatment

    Too much love for discount mujahedeen on your end FP

    I don't think they wish to be there. Even the soldiers send in northern Cyprus don't really like to be send there. They have no choice. Either go wgere Erdogan send them or ho to jail with the others.
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11342
    Points : 11312
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Isos Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:39 am

    Are those Nikes?

    Mim 23 HAWK from the 70s. Not even comparable to sa-6 (buk ancestor).
    ahmedfire
    ahmedfire


    Posts : 2198
    Points : 2378
    Join date : 2010-11-11
    Location : The Land Of Pharaohs

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ahmedfire Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:44 am

    Isos wrote:
    Are those Nikes?

    Mim 23 HAWK from the 70s. Not even comparable to sa-6 (buk ancestor).

    I remembered the first SEAD against HAWK batteries was done by Egyptian airforces in 70s using MIG-17 against israel's AD systems .
    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior


    Posts : 798
    Points : 796
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:48 am

    To be honest, Russia should have armed drones like the huge Iranian Shahed 129 which wrecked ISIS in eastern Syria and Nusra in Aleppo. Too bad Russia don't. It would definitely make anti terror ops much easier. Currently the unarmed drones only lase.



    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior


    Posts : 798
    Points : 796
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:52 am

    some good captures including Kornet missiles

    ultimatewarrior
    ultimatewarrior


    Posts : 798
    Points : 796
    Join date : 2016-09-18
    Location : Waterloo, Ontario, Canada

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  ultimatewarrior Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:55 am

    Bayrakthar no stealth slow poke prop plane bombing the crap out of Tiger force at Saraqib today. Syrians are severely lacking in AD. Even LNA wouldn't have Bayrakthar flying around in broad daylight.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/fauwdu/turkish_drone_strike_hits_saa_in_altalhieh/
    Isos
    Isos


    Posts : 11342
    Points : 11312
    Join date : 2015-11-06

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Isos Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:37 am

    ahmedfire wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Are those Nikes?

    Mim 23 HAWK from the 70s. Not even comparable to sa-6 (buk ancestor).

    I remembered the first SEAD against HAWK batteries was done by Egyptian airforces in 70s using MIG-17 against israel's AD systems .

    Syrian su24 can be armed with kh-25P anti radar missile and destroy them easily. No need for kh-31 like suggested in another post.

    The ECM pods of su-34 should reduce their engagement range to 10km if not less. Syrian mig29 also have Talisman ECM pods now. But that's not needed since kh-25P outranges the MIM-23.
    magnumcromagnon
    magnumcromagnon


    Posts : 8138
    Points : 8273
    Join date : 2013-12-05
    Location : Pindos ave., Pindosville, Pindosylvania, Pindostan

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:22 am

    flamming_python wrote:Pretty stupid escalation, whoever did it - Russia or Syria

    It's not the way things are done, with direct attacks on NATO soldiers.

    Turkish troops should simply have been left to understand, that there is nothing in Idlib left for them to do

    Putin or whoever are far too sure of themselves. Whether this was meant as a de-escalation strike or whatever, it was misjudged, and now will lead to further conflict.
    RIP to the dead
    What ridiculous logic displayed. The Turks are the ones guilty of escalating the conflict, are we forgetting how much they financed Chechen and Dagastani jihadists through the Pankisi gorge? What about Libya? Surely it's the Russian MOD's fault for why the Turks are sending troops and military support to the jihadists in Libya against everyone's wishes. What about the recent escalation of Northern Cyprus with their illegal oil exploration? Just accept that no amount of diplomacy can make a crocodile accept a vegetarian diet FFS! Rolling Eyes
    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 10926
    Points : 10904
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 48
    Location : Scholzistan

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Hole Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:52 am

    If you believe the Turks they killed at least 50.000 syrian soldiers in the last week alone. Razz

    In the meantime Erdogan and his head-chopper friends lost control over 30+ villages in the south of Idlib. The military victories of the Turks are only surpassed by the victories of Germany in WWII, like Stalingrad, Kursk and so on.
    JohninMK
    JohninMK


    Posts : 14968
    Points : 15107
    Join date : 2015-06-16
    Location : England

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  JohninMK Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:54 am

    The hit building remains

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 ER35II2XYAAa3zR?format=jpg&name=360x360


    More higher res pictures and geo location https://twitter.com/john_marquee/status/1233439682744074240

    Balyun is over towards the right hand side of this map, halfway between the red line and the top. Well positioned for an HQ, roads out in five directions. Proper Google maps link at link above.

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 ER33eZzWAAE1SFh?format=jpg&name=small


    Last edited by JohninMK on Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:13 pm; edited 3 times in total
    avatar
    Azi


    Posts : 803
    Points : 793
    Join date : 2016-04-05

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Azi Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:58 am

    Isos wrote:Twitter is closed in Turkey. All those video from drones are likely old video. Turkey asked for the permission to fly armed drones there yesterday and russia said no.
    Yes! All videos are a "best of" the last weeks. Only hard shelling tonight occured in kurdish area north of Aleppo, but SAA is also mixed in this area with kurdish units. So maybe SAA was hit last night, but not in Idlib!!!
    avatar
    Azi


    Posts : 803
    Points : 793
    Join date : 2016-04-05

    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Azi Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:59 am

    Hole wrote:If you believe the Turks they killed at least 50.000 syrian soldiers in the last week alone. Razz

    In the meantime Erdogan and his head-chopper friends lost control over 30+ villages in the south of Idlib. The military victories of the Turks are only surpassed by the victories of Germany in WWII, like Stalingrad, Kursk and so on.
    Minimum 3 billion according to turkish sources Razz Hahaha lol!

    Sponsored content


    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 12 Empty Re: Syrian War: News #21

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:52 am